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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:20:23 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith <[email protected]>
Subject: New Year Wishes
Hello, all--
It's amazing the wonders that a bottle of asti spumanti can
do for one's mood (but there's little to be said for its
effect on one's typing! ).
Here's hoping that everyone has a wonderful, happy, prosperous,
fun-filled New Year....
***C-H-E-E-R-S***
jen--saving her last sip for her list toast (or is that her
list sip for her last toast?).
GO STEELERS......**ROCK** THE PATS!!!
----
Jenniffer Smith |"Before I saw your eyes
[email protected] | I was in control
Ball State University | Of my soul
Muncie IN | On the whole..." MLE
My opinions bear no resemblance whatsoever to those of my employer
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:59:00 -0500
From: Tegan Godwin
Subject: LA & SD Photos
For those who have inquired about receiving copies of my photos from the
LA & SD show, I've got the price for reprints (not copies) and also for
the DAT recording of the LA show. Email me back if still interested.
Thanks,
Tegan
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:05:38 -0500
From: Loretta Myers
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 31 Dec 1996
In a message dated 97-01-01 00:03:52 EST, you write:
<<
Just thought others who weren't able to hear would like to read it!!!!!!!!
>>
You are right, and thank you so much.
Loretta
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:06:22 -0800
From: Martina Schmidt
Subject: HELLO EVERYONE!
HI EVERYONE!
I4ve just joined the Mailing List and would like to introduce myself to
you all!
I4m 23 years old and live in Austria (a very small country in Europe) so
please excuse my bad english. I study law at the university of Linz (my
hometown) I4ve been a big fan of MELISSA for quite some time now. I also
listen a lot to Tori Amos, Sophie B. Hawkins, A. Morissette, Sheryl Crow
and lots of other artists. Needless to say that my favorite TV SHOW is
ELLEN.
Unfortunatelly Melissa is not very famous over here so I hope I can get
a lot of information about Melissa on this list.
BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THE SONG UNUSUALL KISS???
If anybody is interested in trading Melissa stuff with me please email
me at this address: [email protected]
(I4ve got some T.V. Shows from Europe and some bootlegs, but I4m also
willing to pay for copy4s)
I4M ALSO DESPERATE FOR A COPY OF THE SONG DAMN I WIHS I WAS YOUR LOVER
from VH14s DUETTS
Hope to hear from you all soon and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Martina
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:35:19 -0500
From: Ecko Edwards
Subject: Story..VH1
ME will be on Storytellers on VH1 on Jan 2 from 1-2pm EST...at least that is
what the VH1 Prog. Sched has on it...It's the one from the Viper room (at
least that is what it says) may be worth prog. the VCR's for! Just passing
on some info.
Back into hiding I go...
Ecko
Camoflaged in OH
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:24:58 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: U2
U2??!!! I was going to guess Alabama. Aren't they the ones who sang
"Sweet Home Alabama?" Y'know how at the end of RS 4/16 she keeps
singing "take me home, I wanna go home." -marcy
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:26:55 -0600
From: "Anne E. Zachritz"
Subject: 1997
Hey everyone,
I hope everyone had a fun and *safe* new year's eve last night! (I went
to a str8 club -- for the first time in years -- and my gf and I were
having a really great time watching all the goings-on -- did I mention
that it was a really skanky club? Now I'm really digressing!)
I hope that each of y'all have a safe and happy 1997!
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:43:42 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: SF Chronicle Article
I had the article scanned and loaded as a .gif file, but the quality of
the type was so poor, I decided to transcribe it. You lose a little not
seeing the spread, but hey...
Used without permission here.
Melissa Without Secrets by Dave Ford Special to the Chronicle (in
the "pop music" section of the pink section of the 12/15/96 SF
Chronicle/Examiner). Huge photo of her with guitar, at mic. , wearing
that sleeveless jean shirt, looking down. The caption next to it reads:
Melissa Etheridge winds up a tour this month, then prepares fo
parenthood with pregnant lover Julie Cypher, who is due in January.
Big bold type above text reads:
"Hard-rockin' Etheridge faces a new life as a lesbian parent-to-be"
She's a two-time Grammy-winning rock star with multi-platinum
album sales. She's also an up-front lesbian parent-to-be with her
partner of six years.
Those facets of Melissa Etheridge are not always compatible, and
her year-and-a-half tour to promote her 1995 smash CD "Your Little
Secret" --she plays the Cow Palace and Sacramento's Arco Arena this
week--has been taking it's toll.
"Looking back, I won't ever do this agian," the husky-voiced singer
says on the phone from the Atlanta Ritz-Carlton of traveling during
partner Julie Cypher's pregnancy (she's due January 25). I just want to
sing to my baby every night in Julie's belly, and I can't right now.
I've missed out on the miracle as it's taking place."
But there's more than one kind of miracle. In 1982, Etheridge,
raised in small-towm Kansas, moved to Los Angeles, where record company
scouts discovered her playing in Long Beach women's bars.
Beginning in 1988 she released a string of hard-rocking CDs filled
with poignant personal and social observations, all delivered in a
throaty yowl. Critics likened her to such heartland rockers as John
Mellencamp and Bob Seger.
Her fourth and breakthrough release, 1993's "Yes I Am," made her a
global mainstream star with sales ofn more than 6 million. It led to
such high-profile gigs as a duet with her hero and early influence Bruce
Springsteen during her 1995 MTV "Unplugged" special. The
million-plus-selling "Your Little Secret" spawned the radio hits "I
Wanna Come Over" and the title track.
Next spring Etheridge makes a career leap: She will play Janis
Joplin in a screen biography.
Etheridge says Joplin was a huge early influence. "She showed me it
was possible to be powerful and a woman--and not let it destroy me," she
says.
Serious Relationship
For Etheridge, it is equally important that success not destroy her
relationship with Cypher. The two met when Cypher was assisting on a
1988 Etheridge video shoot. Cypher separated from her then-husband Lou
Diamond Phillips, a year later (they divorced in 1990), and she and
Etheridge got serious. Recently, they have gone public with Cypher's
pregnancy, appearing on newsmagazine covers and television.
Despite their fame, however, Etheridge and Cypher face the same
rigors as any other gay twosome embarking on parenthood. Etheridge, who
revealed her lesbianism to the world at the 1993 Triangle Ball during
the first ? Clinton inaugural, says legan restrictions on gay parents
"make me crazy."
"When my accountant gives me tax papers to sign, I get nuts," she
says, laughing. "The millions of dollars I pay to this country, and they
won't lwt me have (official custody of) my child, goddamn it!"
A funny, candid and personable interview subject, Etheridge turns
serious when she talks about maintaining her sometimes long-distance
relationship with Cypher. She says the couple confront the same issues
as any other couple--gay or straight.
"I have found with Julie what you would call a soul mate," she
says. "She brings me a lot of joy--she pauses--and a lot of pain."
Etheridge goes on. "The right relationship causes you to work on
yourself. I realize I have to walk through my hell and my fires to keep
this precious person whom I love so much.
Looking at the Past
"That means looking at your past, at why you react certain ways,
why you run away, why you feel someone isn't loving you enough. But it's
not this person (who's causing that)--it's, you know, what happened in
1969, when your mother didn't love you enough.
"It takes a lot of serious digging and changing." She chuckles.
"And therapy."
When things get tough, as they do in any long-term relationship,
Etheridge and Cypher have "an abxolute commitment to communication. If
it's not in person, we do it on the phone. If not on the phome, we get
on our computers and e-mail or chat. It's a virtual relationship."
Etheridge agrees that the early stage of any relationship can be
unduly influenced by popular-culture images of love and romance. "I
watch a movie and think, "You should love me like that.' But that's the
artistic side of our culture. That's not reality."
Nor is there true "reality in the way popular culture traditionally
has represented diverse lesbian and gay lives."Etheridge points out,
however, that things are changing, especially on gay-friendly television
situation comedies like "Roseanne" and "Ellen."
"Everything is driven in American culture by marketability and
finance," she says. "We (esbians and gays) are new and taboo, and what's
new and taboo is funny. I look forward to when we're not so new.'
Which brings up--delicately--the subject of Ethereidge's good
friend Ellen DeGeneres, the star of "Ellen."A media storm followed
recent reports that DeGeneres' popular sitcom character might come out
as a lesbian. (Cynics speculated that ABC orchestrated the blitz to see
how sponsors would react to the idea, and to boost the show's sagging
ratings.)
If it happens, DeGeneres will be the first openly lesbian lead
character in TV history. Rumors abound that DeGeneres herself might be a
lesbian, although the comedian so far has refused to comment publicly on
her sexual orientation.
Asked if someone like DeGeneres might benefit from coming out,
Etheridge pauses a long time, then says, "How can I say this? In the
entertainment business, as long as your product is quality stuff, I
don't think it matters."
And society's generalized discomfort with homosexuality? "It's this
massive collective fear of sex in general," Etheridge says. "I am
totally unequipped to tell my child about sexuality when the time comes,
because my parents didn't tell them, because their parents didn't tell
them, and so on. And (lesbians and gays) are having sex just to have
sex, not to procreate, so we're considered really evil. (America needs)
to grow up as a culture."
Although she's well aware of her role-model status for lesbians and
gays--and for her new, more mainstream audience--when it comes to
songwriting, Etheridge says, "I have to come back to myself, to stay
truthful to what I know."
'Nowhere to Go'
Case in point: the Springsteen-esque single "Nowhere to Go," from
"Your Little Secret," in which Etheridge sings to a lover, "There's no
one to hear/You might as well scream/They never woke up/From the
American dream/And they don't understand/What they don't see/And they
look through you/And they look past me."
"I come from that working c-class rock 'n' roll place," Etheridge
says. "That's my roots, my background. But I also grew up queer, and I
felt that alienation." It's an alienation, however, that's challenged by
the song's final, rousing refrain: "Dance with me forever/This moment is
divine/I'm so close to heaven/This hell is not mine."
"That says I don't have to be stuck here, that I can find hope and
release in my lover's arms," Etheridge says.
Right now, Etheridge is looking forward to relaease from the rigors
of touring. She's happy that the tour, which winds down Saturday in Los
Angeles, is nearing its end in the Bay Area.
In Love With San Francisco
"I have a love affair with San Francisco," etheridge says brightly,
adding that she can be "anywhere in the world and want to visit the
city," where she likes to "drive around, eat, stuff like that. It's a
very romantic place for me."
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End of MLETHER Digest - 31 Dec 1996 to 1 Jan 1997
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:55:33 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: HUGS & THANKS
I have been away from my office (and thus my computer, and email) since
Dec 20, so I'm more behind in my correspondence than ever before ...
I *will* catch up... slowly... I owe many of you email, and in about two
weeks I will announce details of a new Melissa-video compilation which I
am offering to tree, but today, the first day of a new year (one of three
'new year' dates I honor each year), I would like to reflect on significant
personal events of the past year.
As some of you have noticed (and commented to me via private email), I have
been posting very little to the list in the last few months... overwhelming
work obligations (and several months of averaging 4-hours-sleep-per-night)
have been the primary cause of my list silence.
I have had very little discretionary time this year, and when I have been
able to find any spare moments, I have usually spent them *away* from my
computer, preferably with friends (almost always BAB-buddies, and usually
Rhondda ["HI" sweetie! ], but also several other BAB-buddies) for live
music or just hanging out... several times this year we had a big 'bunch'
gathering as we entertained ME-listers who visited the Bay Area for a day
or two (a big 'HI' to MJ Helveston, Diane, Yvette, Maggie, and Heather).
Twice this year we were blessed with ME-listers who visited for 10-15 days:
Mardi and Rose from Perth... I'm still barely recovered from the whirlwind
visit )... Tanya from Melbourne, who was able to spend the entire month
of August with us, and reminded me how much I *still* miss Margo (also from
Melbourne, who visited us during December 1995)... and Shirley Hoffman, who
visited us two weeks in August, and in whom I have truly found a wonderful
lifelong friend.
The year closed with Melissa's final dates as she swept through the west
coast, stopping briefly in San Francisco where I saw one of the best MLE
shows I've seen in several years, and I got to meet several more listers
(big "HI" to Jib, Leigh, and Eve).
Four days before Christmas I was able to briefly visit Alma and Mo (it was
brief because I was called back to work that night), then I had the next
three days to share with Shirley Hoffman, Patty Wilcox (from Chicago), and
Sue Deyoung (who was still trying to recover from seeing each Melissa show
during her west coast tour)... BAB-buddies Kim and Melanie also joined us
as we celebrated.
Two days ago, Rhondda and I got to *almost* catch up with each other's
latest news, and today, the *first* day of a new year, I got to meet
another ME-lister and transplanted BABster, Lis Baccigaluppi ("HI" Lis!).
So as I look back over the last year, I see that most of those closest
to me are people I have met via this list... most I met this year, some
I met last year when I visited the LA area ("HI" Eileen, Heather, Diane
and Allison)... big HUGS to all of you!
And HUGS and THANKS:
1. To Dave and Glenna for making this list possible, and for taking such
good care of me when I have had server problems.
2. To Deb, who went out of her way to make me feel welcome when I joined
this list in April 1995, who spent countless months at the difficult
and often thankless task of list flame-monitor, and who has continued
to be an endless source of information, enlightenment, and friendship
to me... I owe you more than email, Deb, and a big surprise I've been
trying for *months* to get for you *finally* arrived at my PO box two
days ago... watch your snail mail!
3. To Jen Smith, who is currently handling the still mostly thankless
task of list flame-monitor... I'm so glad you're here, Jen!
4. To all the ME-listers who have provided information and enlightenment,
who have shared their lives/hopes/wishes with us, and especially those
who have exercised restraint during the occasional darker moments which
sometimes occur when diverse people gather in a public forum.
5. To all of you, too many to name individually, who contribute all that
makes this my favorite cyber-spot... in fact, my cyber-home.
6. To Joyce Stolier, who worked so hard making the ME-lister bowling shirts
which helped so many of us recognize each other at Melissa's shows.
7. To Jessamyn Scott Breed, who managed the huge task of trying to meet her
grad school program requirements for Interactive Communications *while*
producing a birthday-gift CD-ROM for Melissa's 35th birthday... in spite
of limited CD-ROM memory, very limited time, several unexpected delays,
and content requirements which were often driven by her grad school's
IC program requirements, she produced a CD-ROM which I treasure...
-- and --
to all the ME-listers who worked so hard to provide material for the
birthday CD-ROM, whether it could all be included, or not...
-- and --
to Tim Dunker, who was able to personally hand-deliver a copy of the
birthday CD-ROM to Melissa (who apparently did not receive the copy
which was sent to her via 'official channels').
8. To Tim Dunker (again) who was able to save the special 'light' event
at Melissa's final L.A. show last week... and who has been able to
share with us his special insight as Melissa's "German super-fan".
9. To all the ME-listers who have volunteered to administer tape-trees,
and all the ME-listers who have volunteered to be branches in those
trees (without whom most tape-trees could not exist).
10. To POOH, who claims to be a 'bear of little brain' (I don't believe it),
but is clearly a 'bear with big heart'... I will be watching the stars
with you again tonight, Pooh!
Good night to all, good health and love in the new year!
John Miller
San Jose CA
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 05:37:16 -0500
Subject: Question (fwd)
From: [email protected] (Lawrence A. Jacobson)
If anyone has any bass tablature for any Melissa Etheridge songs, or
knows where I could find some... Please write me at: [email protected]
Thanks!
Keri
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:43:15 -0500
From: CJ
Subject: Re: Just looking for some help
Max-
Try http://www.tiac.net/users/cj/rs/depot.html
There's a clip from Teresa's Tattoo there. It is, actually the whole
scene that Melissa has in the movie. And my advice is, don't torture
yourself by watching the whole movie to find it.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:00:14 -0400
From: Gwen Shinko
Subject: Mark&Brian Interview
Many thanks to Mle Love who forwarded the post of MLE's
appearance on the Mark&Brian radio show which was originally transcribed by
Dreamleaf.
I thought some of MLE's comments and observations were pretty
interesting... especially her very brief, sort of off-the-cuff remark about
ticket prices.
>M: So, there's no opening act, this is like you and you're singing all the
>tunes
>ME: Yeah
>M: and doing everything
>ME: Yeah, after five albums it was like, "Gosh, the show is--" Well, I know
>that on the 22 it will be at least 3 hours, if not more cuz that's the last
>show for a long time.
>M: Wow, you oughta charge by song
>ME: You know I was thinking..(chuckling) .. I kind of do actually(laughing
>all around) ...we won't go into that.
I noticed that MLE also told Mark & Brian that she uses the Internet as a
sounding board to learn what her fans' reactions are to her various TV
appearances, interviews, etc., I wonder whether she's aware of how
disgruntled many of her fans were during this tour about the high price of
her concert tickets? It's been discussed on more than a few occasions on
our list at least... you know, the Real Fan (TM) list... ;-)
Speaking of mailing lists, I'm not on AOL, but I've been wondering (not
that it's kept me up at night or anything) is anyone a regular on the AOL
MLE list? If so, what's your opinion of that list? And has the AOL list
had any discussion on the YLS concert ticket prices?
Gwen
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:19:47 -0500
From: CJ
Subject: Re: SF Chronicle Article
Marcy!
Thanks for the dedication and work in providing the article
transcription. I enjoyed reading it immensely.
CJ
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:27:12 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: AUK
On 010197 Martina wrote:
ML>I4ve just joined the Mailing List and would like to introduce myself to
ML>you all!
ML>BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THE SONG UNUSUALL KISS???
I think the list had a discussion of this, but that was before I got
here, so I didn't get to put my 2 cents in. I think it's about the first
time Melissa and Julie got together, if Melissa was still with someone.
Julie's the one in the taxi. Especially makes sense since AUK is one
song Julie has apparently, I heard, don't quote me, asked Melissa not to
discuss the details of. (Excuse my grammar, but I liked to skip that
class in 8th grade ). -marcy
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:40:38 +0100
From: Cogneau Christel
Subject: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
Hello Everybody !!!
I found an article on the net about Linda Perry, the former singer of
the 4 non blondes. She was talking about MLE in it and I thought it
might interest some of you.
I don't forward the whole document as it is long. Don't hesitate to
write me if you want to get it entirely !
Chris
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.....
>> How do you feel about being a role model, along with Melissa and k.d.?>>
I'm not a role model, and I definitely don't think Melissa Ethridge
is one either! k.d. lang, yes, I think she's great.
>> You and Melissa are not role models, but k.d. is?>>
Here's the cool thing about k.d.: I've seen a lot of interviews
with her, and I really like her. I like her style, I like her
personality. I've seen some interviews with k.d. where there'd be
some cool person talking to her and I'd hear her talk
about being a lesbian, she freely gave it up. But then I'd see an
interview like two days after that, and you can tell on tv
that this person's a jerk and she'd be all, I never said that! She
was totally back and forth, and I loved that.
Do you do that, too?
I never do that! No one ever asks me any more, because they know!
Or they'll say, "Can I ask you a personal question?
You're gay, right?" And I say, "Yeah." And they're like, "Oh, OK,"
and they move on; I guess they expect me to go,
"Umm, well, I wouldn't say that . . . "
I put it in my conversation as my daily life, which it is, and it's
nothing. I don't have to preach about it because there's
nothing wrong; I don't have to deny it because there's nothing
wrong. It's a part of my life that I'm very proud of, and if I
ever treated it any different than that I'd feel that I must be
making a big deal out of it.
That's why I get into Melissa Etheridge. That woman denied it, hid
it, kept it from everybody for what -- ten years? And
then all of a sudden she's safe, she's got a stable career,
everything's good, she's sold millions of records. All of a
sudden, just: whammo! -- oh yeah, I'm a lesbian -- oh, and I'm
going to have a baby -- oh, and I'm married, too! Give
me a fucking break!
I've gotten so many letters from kids that go, "I'm 13 years old, I
think I'm gay, I'm not sure, but I like women -- or I like
men -- and I'm afraid to tell my parents, 'cause they're very
religious, and I know they're going to be very upset with me.
I don't know what to do, I've thought of killing myself, I don't
know where to turn. I saw you on David Letterman and
I saw 'dyke' written on your guitar and that made me feel really
good, and it gave me hope that maybe there's someone
out there that could relate to me and help me. Can you please write
me or call me or whatever?"
I've called people, if they've left their number, and said, "Hey,
you know, it's cool. don't worry about it." Or I write
back, send them something or do something! But Melissa Etheridge --
there's so many kids out there who are going
through this, and their first thought is to kill themselves because
they think there's something wrong with them. And why
shouldn't they think there's something wrong with them when you've
got these big people out there who are denying it,
when you know the fuckin' bitch is a dyke! And she's denying it! I
have no respect for her because of that. Her music,
all that shit, is secondary to me. [Her denial] makes the biggest
imprint on my mind because that is why we are here and
why we do these things. It's not to hide; that's a contradiction of
what we are. I like to play music because I like to
express what I'm saying and what I'm thinking, get it down and let
people listen. But for me to hide the kind of person I
am? Why would anybody buy my records after that? Why? I could have
stayed in 4 Non Blondes and been a total
fuckin' kiss-ass and made millions of dollars and hated my music
and not give a shit about anything. That's why I have a
problem with her, because I just don't buy it at all.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:09:06 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
Linda Perry says of Melissa Etheridge
:
>>That woman denied it, hid
it, kept it from everybody for what -- ten years? And
then all of a sudden she's safe, she's got a stable career,
everything's good, she's sold millions of records. All of a
sudden, just: whammo! -- oh yeah, I'm a lesbian -- oh, and I'm
going to have a baby -- oh, and I'm married, too! Give
me a fucking break!<<
Excuse me?
Lessee....Melissa's first record came out in 1988, and Melissa *came out* in
1993. 5 years, not 10. And she came out *before* Yes I Am was released, and
that was the album that sold millions of copies. Methinks Linda needs to get
her facts straight.
Besides all that, Melissa is out *now* and many, many are appreciative of
that. What, exactly, is this woman's beef?
Joyce
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:41:20 -0800
From: "Karen Steenstrup (Punster)"
Subject: Florida trip and New Years resolutions.
Good day everyone!
The Punster is back from her visit with Michelle. I had a great time
visiting the "Sunshine State" and can't wait to go back. The weather was
absolutely gorgeous the whole time I was there....80's and sunny.
Michelle is truly a great hostess and friend. I can't even begin to
tell you the puns that we exchanged from the four days that we were
together, some of them were pretty bad and the rest were even worse, but
I digress. If any of you have the chance to go to Florida, I urge you
to visit Michelle, she is indeed a pleasure to be with.
I have been on this list for over a year now and I have had the pleasure
of meeting quite a few listers (not as many as John Juan or Joyce "The
Shirt Gal") and I have been fortunate enough to have developed several
very good friendships that I will always treasure, especially one in
particular, Patty, "The Lone Wrangler", our friendship has a special
meaning to me and she will always have a special place in my heart ;).
My New Years resolution is besides the standard "exercising and getting
into shape" is finding that inner happiness and finding that special
someone, someone who is my soul mate.
I hope everyone has a great '97.
Kare, who knows of a telephone operator that has a lot of hang ups.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:18:35 -0600
From: "Carol B. Dappert"
Subject: ME interviews
Just a quick note to thank everyone who posted the ME interviews from the
West coast. I really enjoyed reading them. Makes me realize how much I
would miss - if it were not for this list and all the great postings. Thank
you!
Has anyone heard of any new name suggestions for the new Cyperidge baby?
Carol B. Dappert
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:47:41 -0500
From: Stevie at aol
Subject: Fwd: thanks for the info. !!!!!!!!!!!
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Forwarded message:
Subj: thanks for the info. !!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 97-01-02 14:43:53 EST
From: Stv1ky
To: [email protected]
Just a BIG quick thanks to everyone on the list that is helping me keep up
with all the current ME information! I work ALOT and barely even get to keep
up with reading the daily list digest (But always make time for it)!
Anyway, I was just reading the post from the last few days and caught the
one from "Ecko" about; Thurs. the 2nd "Story Teller" on VH1. It was 1:30pm
and I got to go catch the last half of it.
( I found it just TOO cute the comment she made in the middle of ATWTH about,
she has no Tatttoos and the other had'nt pierced her nose)
Unfortunately, I don't get the chance to see many tapings or articles.
That's why I joined the list to keep up with any scoop. So, thanks for
everything........due only to ya, I got to catch the Leno, VH1 Duets,
Storyteller, etc..... Any many great articles and excellent concert
reviews!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep it up!!!!!!! :)
And if by chance I get to tumble upon anything, I'll be on the post!!!!!!!!!
:)
Back to my daily routine now, catch ya on the screen. <--> (almost a poet
and didn't know it)
P. S. "Pooh" I give you two thumbs up and a Big Bear tail wag!!!!!!!!! :)
Peace, Love and Happiness...........
"Stevie"
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:59:03 -0500
From: Deb
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE (fwd)
Here's the info Chris sent me about the source of the Perry quotes:
>LINDA PERRY WANTS IT ALL
> An excerpt from Belissa Cohen's interview with Linda Perry from the
>January Issue of The Lesbian News
--
Deb \\ [email protected] \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
_______________________________________________________________________
Best new addition to my CD collection: Marti Jones, MY LONG-HAIRED LIFE
Check it out at: http://www.dreamscape.com/truejim/ddmj/long_hair.html
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0500
From: Deb
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Joyce Luck wrote:
> Lessee....Melissa's first record came out in 1988, and Melissa *came out* in
> 1993. 5 years, not 10. And she came out *before* Yes I Am was released, and
> that was the album that sold millions of copies.
All true (natch!). But I kind of understand her point. MLE was pretty secure
at the point she came out. The first 3 CDs all sold very well. She'd been
playing women's festivals for years, making inside jokes, but kept mum outside
of them. She even said at RhythmFest that she was going to call her new album
"Yes I Am," but that it "would be giving them a little too much..." (That
album turned out to be NE, and that song didn't make the cut). So she was
definitely closeted as far as I'm concerned. She enjoyed the support of the
lesbian community but didn't acknowledge it outside of that community.
The difference between Linda Perry and I is that I think it's none of our damn
business when anybody comes out. I'll nag and encourage people, but in the
end, that's a difficult, personal decision.
--
Deb \\ [email protected] \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
_______________________________________________________________________
Best new addition to my CD collection: Marti Jones, MY LONG-HAIRED LIFE
Check it out at: http://www.dreamscape.com/truejim/ddmj/long_hair.html
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:00:20 -0500
From: Renee Sweeney
Subject: Melissalaneous...
Reply to: Melissalaneous...
Hey Everybody- what's up?!
Just wanted to drop a couple of lines here and make a couple of =
comments...Finally caught up on all my reading from the holidays and I =
hope each of you who celebrated had a wonderful time and for those of you =
who didn't- that's okay too- I celebrated for you cause I was off work =
for a couple of days- and that's cool!
First off, when I saw all the Linda Perry comments a couple of weeks ago, =
I refrained from flying off the handle and making rude comments back, but =
I did see one thing in her tirade that made me wonder- she said-
"... I've gotten so many letters from kids that go, "I'm 13 years old, I =
think I'm gay, I'm not sure, but I like women -- or I like men -- and I'm =
afraid to tell my parents...blah blah blah"
Now, to this I have one question- Why would anyone (much less "so many") =
want to write *her* a letter? WHATEVER!!!!
So, just wanted to say I'm really gonna miss MLE (along with alot of you, =
I'm sure)these next few months (year?), but I'm very excited for her and =
Julie...Y'all go girls! Rock On!
And, to all my List buds out there, I hope 1997 is the best year yet for =
all of you...I'm really looking forward to seeing you all again this =
year- especially Miss Jud the Kiwi (of late, a temporarily transplanted =
Texan- thank God!)...Love to LizE, DougE, SueD, AngelaDarling, =
Jill&Laurel, and my favorite Christmas elf, Patti Fink- you rock!
I realize none of this is earth-shattering news or even perhaps, =
particularly interesting, but I just felt like babbling a little, since =
it's been so long since I have...
Talk to you all later-
Renee' (in Dallas, hating life since I got braces 2 days ago- my mouth =
hurts and I'm starving!!!! Too bad my New Year's resolution isn't to lose =
weight- I'd really be on my way! Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!)
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:20:32 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
In keeping with the Linda Perry thread, Deb said:
>> But I kind of understand her point. MLE was pretty secure
at the point she came out. The first 3 CDs all sold very well. She'd been
playing women's festivals for years, making inside jokes, but kept mum
outside
of them.<<
Yes, indeed. I guess what has me confused is that Linda Perry praises kd
lang but criticizes Melissa, but didn't kd pretty much do the same thing as
Melissa? I mean, kd burst onto the music scene in the States in 1987-88ish
(and before this in Canada) and stayed in the closet until
1992...approximately 5 years, just like Melissa. She came out on the heels
of Absolute Torch & Twang, which won her a Grammy, but *after* coming out her
career took off with Ingenue. Likewise, Melissa came out after winning her
first Grammy for AIH, but her career took off with Yes I Am. I guess my
question is: what did kd lang do that Melissa didn't? (although I think kd
not really getting any flack helped give Melissa the courage she needed to
come out--but other than being first, what's the big difference?)
Deb then said:
>>The difference between Linda Perry and I is that I think it's none of our
damn
business when anybody comes out. I'll nag and encourage people, but in the
end, that's a difficult, personal decision.<<
Fully agreed on this one.
Later,
Joyce
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:37:41 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
>From the previously posted Linda Perry review:
>[RE: kd lang]...about being a lesbian, she freely gave it up.
>But then I'd see an interview like two days after that, and
>you can tell on tv that this person's a jerk and she'd be all, I
>never said that! She was totally back and forth, and I loved
Pardon my confusion...but what is so great about admitting
being a lesbian one day and denying it the next (unless, of
course, kd was simply playing with someone's head...but
then how is that *really* coming out and how is that better
than MLE coming out and staying out?)?
>That's why I get into Melissa Etheridge. That woman denied
>it, hid it, kept it from everybody for what -- ten years? And
>then all of a sudden she's safe, she's got a stable career,
>everything's good, she's sold millions of records. All of a
I think that Linda is over-looking the simple fact that MLE did
not *have* to come out...it was her personal decision and
more power to her for doing it at all. Granted, I think that it's
helped her career in some ways, but it also could've hurt her
career and that was a big risk. Regardless of when a person
chooses to come out, it's a huge risk if there is the
possibility that their livelihood could be jeopardized.
>But Melissa Etheridge -- there's so many kids out there
>who are going through this, [...] And why shouldn't they
>think there's something wrong with them when you've got
>these big people out there who are denying it, when you
>know the fuckin' bitch is a dyke!
And how about 'those big people' who are making it a point to
be open to the media and their fans with as much info as is
respectful of their own privacy? I have yet to see Linda Perry
trying to portray herself in a positive way in order to benefit
the queer community (as she evidently thinks all queers
should). I think that she has a terrific voice and loads of
talent, but her attitude sucks.
>[Her denial] makes the biggest imprint on my mind because
>that is why we are here and why we do these things. It's not
>to hide; that's a contradiction of what we are.
So...a queer musician's entire life's work and focus should be
devoted to being out? Please...as far as I can see, given
Linda's demeaning references to other musician's (re:
previous interview where she said she'd kick MLE's ass, Joan
Osborne's ass, etc), methinks she just a tad bit jealous of
their success and her lack thereof. She needs to get over
herself.
Deb wrote:
>She'd been playing women's festivals for years, making
>inside jokes, but kept mum outside of them. [...] She
>enjoyed the support of the lesbian community but didn't
>acknowledge it outside of that community.
I can understand how some women were totally offended by
her 'inside jokes' and references...I have several friends who
really can't get past the fact that MLE hid for so long before
she came out. However, these same friends are the least
likely to wear their orientation on their sleeves. Their most
frequent comment is, "Well, I don't know if they really *know*
but they've probably figured us out by now." If it's so
important for MLE to have come out at the beginning of her
career, why are these folks (my friends included) *positive*
that everyone knows they're queer? If someone is going to
find fault with when another person comes out, then they
would do well to have rainbow/triangle bumper stickers and
wear t-shirts espousing their orientation wherever they go.
And how many of us enjoyed and cheered at MLE concerts
when she made those jokes...because we 'knew' and we
enjoyed 'our little secret'?
>The difference between Linda Perry and I is that I think it's
>none of our damn business when anybody comes out.
Exactly. My feeling is that, "Hey, she's out...she's obviously
proud...it really can't be doing anything but helping the queer
community...it really doesn't matter that she was closeted for
the early part of her career."
I will probably be viewed by some here as 'conservative', but I
made damn sure of my surroundings and the 'climate' at
work before I came out. I don't make an everyday issue of it,
there are some people who don't know (they started working
here after I 'officially' came out), there are people who know
but who disapprove--but we still have decent office
relationships, and there are people who know only because
someone else told them. There are three or four people here
with whom I openly discuss the issue...but the others who
know don't bring it up, basically because it's not an issue
with them.
I just don't have a whole lot of respect, myself, for people like
Perry who demand that every queer person in the world make
an issue of their sexuality and ram it down everyone's
throats. As far as I'm concerned, I don't want my office mate
pestering me and telling me that I need to marry a good man
and have a family because it's 'right' or I'll be 'better off'...so
why should I try and convince her to accept my orientation
and my life? As long as we can get along and work well
together and are comfortable going out to lunch nearly every
day, I believe that I'm making a difference...she sees that I'm
happy with my life and that I'm not a three-eyed monster who
is after her daughter (she's even starting to realize that
perhaps the gay community should have the same civil rights
as str8 folk).
jen--stepping down from the pulpit :-)
GO STEELERS---ROCK THE PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NITTANY LIONS RULE!!!!!!!! ROWR-ROWWWRRRRR!!!!
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1904 17:38:11 EDT
From: Jane Vaughn
Subject: Just 4 Words
How Bout Those Buckeyes!!!
:) :) :)
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:49:02 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: CORRECTION Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
I made an oopsy--my first mistake of 1997! I promise I
won't make any more...
I initially wrote:
>[...] If it's so important for MLE to have come out at the
>beginning of her career, why [are] these folks (my friends
>included) *positive* that everyone knows they're queer?
It should read:
"...if it's so important for MLE to have come out at the
beginning of her career, why [AREN'T] these folks (my
friends included) *positive* that everyone knows they're
queer?"
Sorry!
jen
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:21:34 -0600
From: David Goodman
Subject: storyteller
Hi all,
I FINALLY saw the Storytellers show on VH1 over the holidays.
Very nice. I've been disappointed with ME this whole year and
that was one hour that I really enjoyed. I think Testify
was very good and sounded really alive and fresh to me. I
also enjoyed Nowhere to Go as an acoustic song and Yes I Am
I always prefer in that format. She was very funny and
told good stories.
Since I gave my top five CDs of the year and ignored YLS, I
will say that NTG would make my top 5 singles of the year.
Maybe number one. Others might be If It Makes You Happy,
Levitikus (sp) Faggot, All Over Now (Aimee Mann), Putting
the Damage On (Tori). Of course, I'm not sure if all of
these were singles but who cares.
Can't think anymore. First day back at work after a
week off is hell.
Dave
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:23:14 -0500
From: Francie Trout
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
In a message dated 1/2/97 1:10:15 PM, [email protected] (Joyce Luck) wrote:
<<
Lessee....Melissa's first record came out in 1988, and Melissa *came out* in
1993. 5 years, not 10. And she came out *before* Yes I Am was released, and
that was the album that sold millions of copies. Methinks Linda needs to get
her facts straight.>>
I agree Joyce!
Having worked in the radio/music business for a long time, you get to now
"who is" long before anyone else knows! I knew that Melissa was a lesbian
from day one when her cd arrived at the radio station. In fact, our music
director pulled the song Bring Me Some Water because of Melissa's sexuality.
I believe she was a frustrated dyke...the Music Director that is!
Francie
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:13:29 -0600
From: "Anne E. Zachritz"
Subject: Unusual Kiss
> BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THE SONG UNUSUALL KISS???
If you do, please post it to the list!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:14:47 -0600
From: "Anne E. Zachritz"
Subject: Duets
> I4M ALSO DESPERATE FOR A COPY OF THE SONG DAMN I WIHS I WAS YOUR LOVER
> from VH14s DUETTS
So am I, so please don't be shy if you have a good recording! Or,
preferably, a good audio recording of the whole show!!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:23:14 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: mle memories
today I was listening to YLS while driving in my car. Visual memories of
what she was doing in the concert when she sang certain songs just kept popping
into my head. Like in ICHBY, she's wearing of course an open long-sleeved shirt
over her T-, and she doesn't have her guitar, but has the mic. in one hand.
When she sings "take a look under here" she pulls open one side of her
long-sleeved shirt and gives a quick sweeping look down her body. Mmm. The way
she directs the lights in AUK "as the taxi pulls away," looking like car
lights. The way she raises that one eyebrow and looks serious. Is that a
Midwestern thing? (My Mom used to do something similar, we called the evil eye,
when she was trying to intimidate us. I learned how to do it back to her and
laugh. But this isn't quite the same thing.) Feeling the power of her
emotions, including her anger. Um, so many big emotions are visible when
Melissa sings. I also learned she is a good whistler. And did I tell you I got
to squeeze her cowboy-booted foot? Eeesh. At one of the concerts I met a new
friend who loves to yell/sing uh,uh,uh,uh-oh as much as I do. Now we e-mail
uh,uh,uh oh to each other, but it's not quite the same. Melissa has a dimple in
only one of her (face) cheeks? What do all y'all do with your collection of
memorabilia? Too much of it to hang on a wall. Rotate it like they do in
galleries, ie change what's up every month or so? -marcy
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 00:16:17 -0500
From: Kiva Kamerling
Subject: Something to make you laugh...
I was channel surfing tonight and stumbled upon Late Night With David
Letterman and it was just in time to hear the Top Ten...
Tonights Top Ten was President Clinton's New Year Resolutions... They were
funny, but #3 had me laughing so hard...
#3) Find out why Melissa Etheridge refuses his advances...
The audience loved that one and so did I... Nice way to end the night, I
guess... I needed to laugh... =)
Hope everyone had a nice New Years...
Peace,
Kiva
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 23:40:46 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: out and about
Well, I think it's hard to come out, and I'd like to support anyone who
does so to ANY extent. I know for myself, I waited until I was
financially separate from my parents before I told them, cuz I was
afraid they'd make it hell for me for a while and I prolly woulda had
to leave college, my program was selective and you can't miss a class,
let alone a term, and stay in the program. I sorta felt like
chicken-shit, but it was my reality at the time. I now work in a health
care profession, in a conservative state, and with older clients, etc,
etc, etc. I guess it's still easy for me to rationalize, but I think
it's ok to be selective about how out I am to whom. I like to think I'm
real enough about me, that anyone who wants to figure out my sexuality
will easily. I'm butch enough looking that I get double-take looks
sometimes in the women's restroom (tho my friends have a hard time
believing me when I say that). Melissa is so strong, and she is soo out
now, I mean really, she talks about lesbians having sex just for sex,
forgoodnesssake. She inspires me to be more proud, be more out. My own
struggles with the whole issue give me compassion for others. Tho I know
the freedom and relief I feel after having come out to someone. I also
have been the focus of violence because I am. I could tell you stories.
And that was even when I lived in Ann Arbor. Kinda scary. (y'know, I
used to be so quiet, not much to say. I've heard the 'net does this to
introverts...wordy!) -marcy Keep It Precious
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:52:52 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: DUETS tape tree
"Anne E. Zachritz" , amongst others,
askeed about the DUETS show:
>> I4M ALSO DESPERATE FOR A COPY OF THE SONG
>DAMN I WIHS I WAS YOUR LOVER
>> from VH14s DUETTS
>
>So am I, so please don't be shy if you have a good
>recording! Or, preferably, a good audio recording of the
>whole show!!
i received a few inquiries about the DUETS (audio) tape tree
while i was on my vacation, and just haven't had the time to
reply to them individually. i owe some other private email,
and i'm slowly trying to catch up there, as well.
so, i'll just take this opportunity to remind those who wish
to participate in the DUETS tree to review my 11/22 leaf
announcement in the list archives (http://www.ecw.ca/mle,
click on "archives"). if you are unable to access my post,
please email me, and i'll send you the announcement
privately.
the tape includes the entire DUETS show, in addition to the
janis joplin tribute MLE performed at woodstock 1994.
*rhondda*
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 01:12:29 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: YCSWID tour - 12/13 tacoma show
*tour recap*
after seeing the spokane show the night before, the travelling
troup of MLE fans (tim, jib, barb, maureen, and rhondda) had
to drive to the tacoma show over the treacherous snoqualmie
pass.
*misplaced memories*
i forgot a few details from the spokane report.
jib's sweet dog, stingo, had a bad case of kennel cough.
imagine a dog, who's about the size of a small horse,
coughing in the middle of the night. i felt so sorry for him,
because the sound of his cough was absolutely horrific (he's
doing much better now :-) ).
after we woke up, tim passed out guitar strings that MLE's
guitar tech, trace, had removed from one of MLE's ovations to
jib, barb, and maureen (i got mine once we got back home).
the strings were from the denver show (the last show on the
previous leg).
during TWIO, when MLE acknowledged kenny, she
embraced him from behind as he played the drums. she
subsequently draped an arm around him at the tacoma
show. however, after the tacoma show, she no longer went
behind kenny during TWIO, and just acknowledged him from
the front of the drum riser.
during his solo in TWIO, just as he's about to rip the strings
out of his guitar, john flipped his pick right at me. his pick
struck me in the shoulder and fell. suddenly, the people
around me were crouching down on the floor and pawing at
my calves and feet. i was so distracted by this that i
completely missed john ripping the strings out of his guitar.
*morning*
it's snowing steadily when we woke up, so we really wanted
to get out of town quickly before the weather got much
worse. since jib had been busy with finals, she still needed
to pack for the trip, so we made plans either to meet at the
pre-show gathering or at the venue.
tim was still not feeling well, so we stocked up on over the
counter cold/flu medication before hitting the road. as we got
further and further away from spokane, the weather got better
and better. it stopped snowing, and i noticed that the snow
on the ground was getting more and more sparse.
after so much build-up and hype, the snoqualmie pass was a
piece of cake. the road was clear, and it was only slightly
misting. (note: i hope that all of our NW list members are
doing ok after all the recent storms and flooding.)
Hwy 90 was clear sailing all the way through to seattle.
once we switched to Hwy 5, we ran into rush hour traffic, but
we were still able to get to billy mchale's (the restaurant
where we were having the pre-show gathering) about an hour
early.
since we had an hour to kill, tim and i put the car seats back
to get a little shut-eye. since we're still recovering from the
drive up to spokane, we had to take advantage of every
opportunity for this! :-)
*pre-show gathering*
tim and i are the first to arrive for the pre-show gathering.
soon, barb and maureen show up, too. we waited for more
list folk to arrive. unfortunately, tim had to leave before
anyone else showed up, because he wanted to get to the
venue early.
about 5 minutes later, lisa, susan's (sooz) friend, arrived to
inform us that susan, sue d, and maggie had been involved in
the now infamous rear-ender. eventually, more and more
people show up, including the accident victims, and we've got
quite a party raging on.
met a bunch of list members and their SO's/pals - i didn't
write any names down, so please forgive me because i know
that i will forget someone. i remember sue d, susan,
maggie, lisa, shel and lauren, sheri and lynn, marcy, richard,
and, of course, my travelling companions, barb and maureen.
one key memory: sue d's first drink was some huge colorful
concoction called a "billy banger". of course, we made all
sorts of cracks about "banging billy" and the like.
quite a ruckus was raised when the maitre d' came to our
booth, asked if there was "a rhondda" present at this party,
and said that "melissa etheridge is on the phone." well, of
course, i had to accept the call.
ok, ok, ok, it was just jib. now, that sounds absolutely awful
- "just jib" - a phone call from jib is more than just *any* call.
:-D jib was settling in at her mom's house, so we set up a
time to meet at the tacoma dome will-call.
our waiter (scott?) told us that he had a chance to sit in the
front row at that evening's MLE show, but that he decided to
work instead. this comment should tickle some of you to no
end.
after too much carousing (and about 4 attempts to get the
staff to make a nut-less sundae ), everyone headed to
the tacoma dome for the show.
*parking lot*
since we didn't have to meet jib until 7:30, barb, maureen,
and i drank a beer in the groovy van . i felt like some
high school rebel all over again - swigging beer in a dark
parking lot, trying not to get busted by THE MAN .
*our seats*
we found jib, who arrived at the venue early (and was
freezing).
and for those keeping track:
tacoma MEIN seats - 6th row floor
(barb and maureen got 2nd row again.)
*the show*
as in spokane, the tacoma dome arena was cut
approximately in half for the show. also, similar to spokane,
it wasn't sold out.
8:00 show time, began at 8:15; show ended at 11:10
the 1st set, 3rd set, and the encores were the same as the
spokane show. the only difference was in the B stage set:
B stage (2nd set):
AIH
LMG
MMITB
ATWTH
Resist
*fashion report*
black leather pants, obligatory black T, blue denim overshirt
with the embroidery/ribbing, and black faux snakeskin Docs.
*memorable moments*
definitely one of the best shows in the leg. it was also the
first MLE show that jib and i got to experience together
(since she arrived late to the spokane show). and MLE
appeared to be in good spirits!
MLE mentioned again (!) during her first mike break about
how cold tacoma was. well, it wasn't as cold as spokane
(and there wasn't any snow!), but it was still pretty nippy
there. i was definitely looking forward to travelling to a
warmer climate back in california and arizona.
MLE talked about how much she liked the tacoma dome,
and told a funny story about after playing there the last time,
the "powers that be" presented her with a framed picture of
the tacoma dome. gee, thanks guys!
she thanked everyone for coming to a friday the 13th show,
especially considering that many offices were holding their
xmas parties that weekend. my office held theirs on the next
day (the 14th), and, no, i didn't fly back.
MLE reminisced about how the tour was ending, and
mentioned many of the places that she had travelled to
during the tour, in particular, australia and europe. when she
mentioned europe, both jib and i noticed MLE acknowledge
tim (who was in the front row). we also noticed MLE point to
tim during ICHBY.
mark shook one of kenny's shakers during the beginning of
SP. MLE noticed this and laughed.
i loved when someone passed MLE's high school yearbook
up to her during the B stage set! the cameras were able to
focus in on 3 pictures: MLE's solo picture, an "arty" picture
from when she played at her prom, and a very funny one of
her dressed up as an elderly woman in "Oklahoma!"
i decided not to go to the B stage this time. instead, i
decided to jockey for key space at the main stage. jib told
me later that she was able to see tim at the B stage on the
video screens.
*TWIO*
during the "acknowledge john" portion of TWIO, MLE
whispered something in his ear. at first, i thought that it was
just the usual goofying around that they did with each other.
a few moments later, john grabbed MLE by the front of her
denim overshirt, and lowered her into the audience. she
continued to sing, as the audience raised their hands to hold
her. wow! john pulled her back onto the stage, and the
audience went wild!
i got another handshake later when she left the stage during
TWIO (2 shows and counting ).
*post-show*
all of us gathered around jib, as she gave us directions to her
mom's house. tim and i left together through the back stage
area (the big trucks were already there), when tim suddenly
said, "hey, let's go over here for a second."
we walked over to 2 guys standing to our left. it was mark
browne, and i presume mark's bass tech. at first, i didn't
recognize mark, because, well, he seemed so much shorter
in person (off the stage). tim introduced me to mark, who
shook my hand and proceeded to say how crazy tim was for
coming to the U.S. for the last leg. he also told me about
how tim took care of him during the german tour. mark was
just so nice. i thanked him for putting on such a good show.
he said, "see you in portland!", and we left.
we drove to jib's mom's house near seattle. poor tim was
still not feeling very well, so he crashed as soon as we
arrived.
jib, barb, maureen, and i were still too wired from the concert,
so we decided to crack open a round of coronas. jib opened
her beer, and a noxious cloud erupted out of the bottle and
flattened the 3 of us. arrgh, she found the rancid corona!
whew! the rest of our beers were just fine, so jib just popped
open another one.
we discussed the proper way to swig beer out of a bottle, so
as not to get a big head on your beer. you pour, you don't
suck . got the hang of that lip tuck yet, jib?
we gabbed until 3 am when we finally called it a night. the
next day (the 14th) was our first (and only true) day off, so
we're going to spend it in seattle and then drive to portland on
the 15th.
...to be continued...
*rhondda*
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 06:02:14 -0500
From: Toni Robinson
Subject: misc..
>From: John Miller
>Good night to all, good health and love in the new year!
John Miller..you are always so positive..you seem like such a genuinely nice
person. Haven't metchya, but glad you're here.
>From: CJ
>Subject: Re: Just looking for some help
>Max-
>Try http://www.tiac.net/users/cj/rs/depot.html
>There's a clip from Teresa's Tattoo there. It is, actually the whole
>scene that Melissa has in the movie. And my advice is, don't torture
>yourself by watching the whole movie to find it.
Hey..is this your page? It's really nicely put together...nice graphics,
etc. Where'd/how'd you get all the clips?
>From: Joyce Luck
>Lessee....Melissa's first record came out in 1988, and Melissa *came out* in
>1993. 5 years, not 10. And she came out *before* Yes I Am was released, and
>that was the album that sold millions of copies. Methinks Linda needs to get
>her facts straight.
>Besides all that, Melissa is out *now* and many, many are appreciative of
>that. What, exactly, is this woman's beef?
>Joyce
Thank you Chris, for posting the article. I agree...what *is* Perry's
beef..and how exactly is what kd did different..or better for that matter?
I still haven't had a chance to check out Linda Perry's music..or 4 Non
Blondes..been meaning to get around to it. Don't think much of her
personality tho....what I've heard of it so far.
Toni (& Victoria...non-smokers for 2 days and counting..not quite over the
snarling stage yet...be forewarned..)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1904 07:20:10 EDT
From: Jane Vaughn
Subject: Wrong Answer
Jen,
No, I like the 49ers the best I believe. It used to be the cowboys. And
when I was a young cub the Bears! Imagine that!!!! :)
Then, I did like the Steelers for quite awhile. That was the Franco
Harris days and they are though long gone.
I just watch the Buckeyes now.
I thought the game was a nail biter hence a good one.
Thanks for the post though.
Sincerely,
"POOH"
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1904 07:46:55 EDT
From: Jane Vaughn
Subject: True Love!
Morning Melisters,
Just wanted to share a book with you. I finished reading "The Notebook"
by Richard Sparks and must say though short it was a very touching love
story for all of you romantics out there who dream and long for the love
of a lifetime this book will truly bring tears and hope that true love
does exist.
I could not put it down until I finished and not an easy thing for a
bear who is suppose to be hibernating.
It is early and I am truly glad it is "Friday". Some days one wonders
if in the magic of the stars true love does exist and if so when it will
shower down and allow us to bask amidst the stardust.
I beleive Melissa and Julie have found their star to share and ride
across the night sky. Soon, and I beleive on the 28th, ( poohsters
b-day! :) a child shall be born and with the help off loving arms and
hands shall go forth and be blessed and loved.
Many secrets to be found and fireflies to catch and scrapes to tend to.
What a glorious sound to hear the laughter of children at play and watch
as they grow and teach us wonderment and love of the simple things in
life.
I beleive a new birth of music shall be born for truly such innocence
shall truly inspire. I look forward to sharing through music the love
and tenderness that surely will flow from the heart of Melissa and that
ovation will never be the same as the music of the soul comes forth and
truly we all shall be blessed as well.
Much Warmth,
"POOH"
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:27:34 -0500
From: Kelley at AOL
Subject: Brian and Mark and other articles
Thanks to all the listers who post things some of us "Melissa impaired"
listers might not otherwise hear or see!!! Makes the day go a little
brighter. Happy New Year to all!
Kelley
"I am woman, I am invincible, I am tired."
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:03:41 CST
From: Elizabeth Burns
Subject: what song is this?
Howdy y'all!
(said expecially for you Renee )
I know at least one of you can help me out with this. This line
from an ME song keeps popping up in my head and i can't quite
figure it out. It's something to the effect of:
"what do you see when you look at me
am i really so far away"
Thanks!
liz
PS. For those of you interested in the Fajita Fest this year,
it's still a little too early to plan a definite date. But i can
tell you that it'll definitely be in the May/June timeframe. And
it won't be on Memorial Day weekend. That's about as much as i
know about it for now...
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:13:39 -0500
From: Susan Salek
Subject: Re: what song is this?
At 09:03 AM 1/3/97 CST, Elizabeth Burns wrote:
>I know at least one of you can help me out with this. This line
>from an ME song keeps popping up in my head and i can't quite
>figure it out. It's something to the effect of:
>
>"what do you see when you look at me
>am i really so far away"
Hi all. Now it's playing in my head... "Ready to Love"
What do you see
when you look at me
Do I really seem so far away?
The song will go on
and you will applaud
Look at me...
I just keep singing
Somebody take me
out of the night
and show me what life is made of
Won't somebody please
reach inside of my heart
I think that I'm ready to love....
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:09:23 -0600
From: David Goodman
Subject: perry/ Aussies out there?
Linda Perry sounds like a real jealous bitch. It's OK to
hate someone's music but to question someone's choice of when
to be PUBLIC, besides being out to friends, family, co-workers, etc, which
ME was, but to the general PUBLIC just wrong. I never knew, until
this interview, that she was a lesbian so she hasn't exactly been
jumping up and down screaming it. And why is she so
upset they are having a child. Jeeez. Is she jealous of ME's
relationship with Julie as well?
On a NMEC note, I'm heading back Down Under again for business
in a few weeks and I'm wondering if the Aussies on the list could
email me and help me out with some ideas of where to tour around
if I get some time on my own.
Thanks,
Dave
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:23:14 -0500
From: Dan Cohen
Subject: AUK - what Melissa said
On 010197 Martina wrote:
>BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THE SONG UNUSUALL KISS???
As Marcy Kunst pointed out, this song has been a MEList discussion before.
The analysis centers on "who's in the taxi" when it pulls away.
In interviews and appearances, Melissa has told us more-or-less what a lot
of her songs are about.
But at the Austin Tx concert on 15 Nov 1996, as she introduced AUK, she
said: (I'm quoting from my own memory, it's not Melissa's words.)
"This song is about an unusual kiss. Other songs, I've told you about, but
I'll never tell you what this song really means."
She raises her arms, "So I'm giving it to you -- you can have it -- it's all
yours -- do what you want with it."
The expression on her face was a smile or grin, and she looked pleased with
herself.
We all cheered.
Now what does THAT mean?
-- Dan Cohen in Toronto
[email protected]
http://www.canscape.com/dancohen
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:32:37 -0500
From: Kathy at aol
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
I love your view on the world Deb!
Kathy
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:58:43 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Re: AUK - what Melissa said
>>> Dan Cohen 01/03/97 01:23pm
>>> writes:
>"This song is about an unusual kiss. Other songs, I've told
>you about, but I'll never tell you what this song really
>means."
>She raises her arms, "So I'm giving it to you -- you can have
>it -- it's all yours -- do what you want with it."
>The expression on her face was a smile or grin, and she
>looked pleased with herself.
>Now what does THAT mean?
Hmmm...that she's never going to divulge the true story
behind the song and that we can adapt it to any situation
that might fit for us?
Or...we can spend the next 5-10 years on this list trying to
figure out WhoTheHellIsInTheTaxi? :-)
jen--who is a staunch supporter of celebrities keeping their
private lives private, but who still gets annoyed when they
tease (and, of course, loves every minute of it!)! :-)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:12:50 EST
From: M Something
Subject: Re: Florida trip and New Years resolutions.
Kare wrote:
>The Punster is back from her visit with Michelle. I had a great time
>visiting the "Sunshine State" and can't wait to go back. The weather
>was absolutely gorgeous the whole time I was there....80's and sunny.
>Michelle is truly a great hostess and friend.
Well, thank you very much. The feeling is mutual. :)
>I can't even begin to
>tell you the puns that we exchanged from the four days that we were
>together, some of them were pretty bad and the rest were even worse,
>but I digress.
LOL! Some of those puns really were pretty awful, weren't they? I'm
going back to that bar this Saturday night. I wonder if the restroom
attendant will remember me.
>If any of you have the chance to go to Florida, I urge you
>to visit Michelle, she is indeed a pleasure to be with.
Well, thank you again. Geez, you've built me up so much now.
I hope I can live up to the reputation. :)
>My New Years resolution is besides the standard "exercising and
>getting into shape" is finding that inner happiness and finding that
special
>someone, someone who is my soul mate.
Good luck in that search, Kare. You certainly deserve it.
Michelle, who doesn't have a Kare in the world, since she returned to
Chicago.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:37:54 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: Re: AUK - what Melissa said
You know, on the AOL board, An Unusual Kiss has been a recent topic of
discussion, with people arguing for 2's (the story of Julie and Melissa first
getting together) or 3's (the story of a threesome). Somebody posted that
at some show--sorry I don't recall which one--Melissa introduced the song by
saying, "This is the story of an unusual kiss with an unusual girl....etc..."
So I posted that *this* clinches it; it must mean Melissa had a thang with
Cyndi Lauper. ;-)
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:49:07 -0500
From: Deb
Subject: Re: Linda Perry Talking about MLE
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Jenniffer Smith wrote:
> Pardon my confusion...but what is so great about admitting
> being a lesbian one day and denying it the nex
I know! Perry's comparison's of MLE and k.d. definitely fell short of the
mark, as Joyce and Jen have both pointed out.
> I can understand how some women were totally offended by
> jokes' and references...
I don't know that "offended" is the right word. It's More resentment of the
fact that she essentially marketed herself as gay to the gay community, but
wouldn't acknowledge it to the rest of the world. She was having her cake
(support of the gay community) and eating it too (no commercial risks with the
rest of the world). She wasn't protecting her privacy, she was protecting her
career (not necessarily a bad thing, IMO).
> I have several friends who
> really can't get past the fact that MLE hid for so long before
> she came out. However, these same friends are the least
> likely to wear their orientation on their sleeves.
This sort of hipocracy is sadly common. Like it's easier for MLE to come out
to the world than it is for them to come out to their parents!
> Their most
> frequent comment is, "Well, I don't know if they really *know*
> but they've probably figured us out by now."
I've heard that plenty of times... should only make it easier for
them to discuss their real lives, then, shouldn't it?!
> I will probably be viewed by some here as 'conservative', but I
> made damn sure of my surroundings and the 'climate' at
> work before I came out.
I make damn sure of my surroundings and climate *before* I'll accept the job
("And do you offer domestic partner benefits for your gay and lesbian
employees?")!
> I don't make an everyday issue of it,
> there are some people who don't know (they started working
> here after I 'officially' came out)
I never "officially" come out. I just live my life, and if that means I have
to tell my boss I'm staying home because Tori is sick, or if that means Tori's
on my arm at the company parties, then that's my "coming out." And I'll be
damned if I'm going to take the blame when Tori turns off the alarm and makes
us oversleep. :)
Oh... plus there is this adorable picture of us on my desk. :)
Deb \\ [email protected] \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
_______________________________________________________________________
Best new addition to my CD collection: Marti Jones, MY LONG-HAIRED LIFE
Check it out at: http://www.dreamscape.com/truejim/ddmj/long_hair.html
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:48:07 -0500
From: Marie Cullinan
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 31 Dec 1996 to 1 Jan 1997
I am interested in the DAT recording. How much and what is on it?
Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:31:20 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: out and about
Ok, after all that rationizing/whining I did yesterday about why I'm
selective about which clients I come out to, (small town, elderly
clients) would you believe that today when I was working with an elderly
woman, she asked me if I live alone. I said 'No.' She said, "oh, you
have a partner, good, I'm glad." Now what do ya s'pose she meant? does
she know? I think so. -marcy
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:54:05 -0500
From: Shel Kilts <[email protected]>
Subject: Tac 12/13, coming out
rhondda said:
> i remember sue d, susan, maggie, lisa, shel and lauren, sheri and lynn,
> marcy, richard, and, of course, my travelling companions, barb and
> maureen.
So glad you remembered us!
> after too much carousing (and about 4 attempts to get the staff to make
a
> nut-less sundae ), everyone headed to the tacoma dome for the show.
That would be my SO, Lauren. She absolutely cannot stand nuts in her food
- by themselves, they're okay, but never never in any other food. And
peanuts are just right out. For those of you present who were wondering
why *I* was beginning to get uptight about the sundae thing, well, the
Wednesday before, we had gone out to dinner, and one thing after another
was just messed up by an absolutely clueless waitron. Of course, this was
the evening I had chosen to slip a ring on her finger! Aargh! The *one*
night you want to be absolutely perfect...
As far as coming out...
I never really 'officially' came out to anybody, but when relationships/SOs
are discussed, I will talk about my girlfriend the way that straight folk
will refer to their SO. When Lauren and I are shopping, etc, it is the
natural thing for us to hold hands, or walk with our arms around each
other, just like everybody else who is with the person they love so deeply.
Unfortunately, I am still a member of the National Guard, so in one aspect
of my life I must remain deeply closeted, but in every other aspect of my
life, I simply act with the assumption that what I am doing is perfectly
normal ('cause it *is*!), and just like everybody else - and therefore not
worthy of any exceptional notice. The women at work talk about their
husbands; I talk about Lauren. The straight couples on the street and in
the malls hold hands and kiss when they think no one is looking; so do we.
Everybody brought their families to the company Christmas party; I brought
Lauren, who is my only family. And so it goes. I'm not a flag-waving,
in-your-face activist, but I do demand that my relationship be recognized
just like any straight relationship, and treated with the same respect.
Shel (and Lauren)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:11:43 -0800
From: azmax
Subject: another question for you all...
ok, i've always wondered what many of ME songs REALLY meant or at least what
was the thought behind it all...is there some kind of a page for me to see
what she means, for instance in Silent Legacy, i heard it was about a pregnant
girl who's parents blah blah blah.... is there a way for me to back any of
these up or is it a "interpret*please check spell* it in your own
fashion"...i'd apreciate*check again..sorry!* any help i can get...thanx a
bunch!
MAX
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:33:23 +0100
From: Cogneau Christel
Subject: Re : Linda Perry
>From: Toni Robinson
>>Thank you Chris, for posting the article. I agree...what *is* Perry's
beef..and how exactly is what kd did different..or better for that
matter?
I still haven't had a chance to check out Linda Perry's music..or 4 Non
Blondes..been meaning to get around to it. Don't think much of her
personality tho....what I've heard of it so far.
Toni (& Victoria...non-smokers for 2 days and counting..not quite over
the snarling stage yet...be forewarned..)>>
You're welcome, I thought everybody might like to read it :-)
I was kinda surprised to read that. As other people already said, I had
no idea L.P was gay herself so I guess she is not OUT as she claim !
I am trying to remember where you could listen to her music...I can 't
remember on which site... I'll try to find it and forward the adrress to
you !
4 days now ? Good luck :-)
Chris !
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:08:46 -0600
From: Janis Delmonte
Subject: Re: Tac 12/13, coming out
> Lauren, who is my only family. And so it goes. I'm not a flag-waving,
> in-your-face activist, but I do demand that my relationship be recognized
> just like any straight relationship, and treated with the same respect.
This is the most powerful form of activism there is IMHO :)
-Janis
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:57:30 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Linda Perry
>no idea L.P was gay herself so I guess she is not OUT as she claim !
I remember a few years back that there was some speculation as to
whether she was gay or bi. If I remember correctly, she admitted
at the time to being "maybe bi." I don't think she's always been
100% out with anyone but alternative and queer media.
I sort of remember seeing her on Letterman and wondering exactly
why she had 'dyke' on her guitar...I think it was because I had
been under the impression that she was bi if not straight.
>I am trying to remember where you could listen to her music...
I really do like her voice. She has a pretty wide vocal range
and has a strong sound. As I said before, though...that attitude
has to go.
jen--only a few days from 28 and already losing her memory...
----
Jenniffer Smith |"Before I saw your eyes
[email protected] | I was in control
Ball State University | Of my soul
Muncie IN | On the whole..." MLE
My opinions bear no resemblance whatsoever to those of my employer
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:54:51 -0500
From: Dan Cohen
Subject: Dan comes out - twice
There seems to be an informal thread about "coming-out" this week. Well, I
have something to say about coming-out, too.
Coming out once:
---------------
My daughter Anna came out to my and my wife a few months ago. We had a
little difficulty accepting this, but not too bad. The hard part was: as
parents, we had to "come out" as parents of a lesbian. That was hard
because we didn't know how to handle the "parent" side of coming out.
So, my advice to all you young people who haven't come out yet: try to keep
your parents involved and informed, so they can know how to handle all the
social and personal aspects of gay disclosure.
Coming out twice:
----------------
I always thought I was a "straight who strays", or maybe adventurous.
I've led a "straight" life ever since I married Brighid 26 years ago. But
since the "bisexual" thread went around, in October, I've finally faced my
own past experiences, and my present attitudes toward love and sexuality and
relationships.
I'm bisexual. I really do like men as well as women.
It's been very hard for me to come out as bisexual to *myself*, and then to
my wife. We're still a little confused, but I have a sense of 'moving forward'.
After all these years, suddenly we have a queer family. Imagine!
And now, I'm experienced at "coming out". Incredible!
Coming out to the MEList:
------------------------
For all of 1996, I've tried to be the "straight male" voice of the MEList.
That means, in my postings to the MEList, I implied to you MEListers that I
was straight. My postings could never ever address gay issues.
Will you readers allow me to make this shift, to be the "bisexual male"
voice to the MEList? Bi is not a hot topic for the MEList, but you could
use this sort of insight once in a while.
---------------------------------------
Be strong. Speak true. Keep the peace. -- Melissa Etheridge
---------------------------------------
But, Melissa, it's hard to be strong!
Yes, Melissa, truth is freedom.
Ok, Melissa, with love and respect, we'll have peace.
---
-- Dan Cohen in Toronto
[email protected]
http://www.canscape.com/dancohen
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:43:00 PST
From: "Gilliland, Donna"
Subject: NMEC/Out and About
In response to Marcy Kunst's post of January 2 . . .
Generally I've quite content to lurk, but I can't stop thinking about
Marcy's post. I agree, it's very hard for some people to come out and
applaud everyone who does. I didn't get the chance to come out on my own --
I was outed by my church and literally run out of town -- but then again, it
was South Berwick, Maine (we now live in the Bay Area). Both me and my GF
(Eileen) had to quit our jobs and move, we lost most of our "friends." The
entire experience was horrifying -- although it made us very close very
quickly -- and it took quite a while before I could come out to my family.
My Mom is a religious nutcase and I dreaded/delighted telling her. She
doesn't "approve" but, because she likes Eileen, she's been OK with it. My
brother and sister were wonderful ("We've known for a long time -- no one
has the same roommate for years.")
When Eileen came out, her family literally disowned her and banned her from
any family gatherings (she has eight siblings -- Boston, Irish, Catholic --
what else can I say). They found out we moved to California by letter
because no one would take her calls. I'm happy to say that while initially
very hostile, they have become extremely supportive.
(BTW -- Eileen and I have been together since November 1981 -- I can't
believe it's been 15 years!)
Well, that's my two cents. . . back to lurking.
Donna
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:40:47 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: YCSWID tour - 12/14 fun in seattle
*tour recap*
after seeing 2 back-to-back shows in spokane and seattle,
we finally had an actual day off on the 14th. we decided to
spend it in seattle and then drive to portland for the MLE
show on the 15th.
*morning*
we woke up and had a leisurely breakfast. most of us
had cheerios and fruit, but i think i recall jib had angel food
cake for breakfast. :-] oh, and probably, at least one diet dr.
pepper.
the flu had levelled tim, so our day off couldn't have been
better timed. jib graciously gave up her bed, so he could
sleep there for the rest of the day (and night).
*seattle*
jib wanted to hang with her pals during the day, so barb,
maureen, and i hit the grand city of seattle and made plans
to meet up with jib in the early evening.
first, we stopped off at the army surplus store, where
maureen managed to do most of her xmas shopping. then,
we went to pike's market, seattle's outdoor market place.
we had a glorious lunch at pike's pub & grill (i think that's
what it was called). they had the best tomato basil soup -
yummy! i'm drooling just remembering it.
the three of us spent the next hour or so, just browsing
through pike's market. we started walking up one staircase,
when we ran into the amazing accident victims, susan, sue
d, and maggie, who were coming down the stairs. we
chatted briefly with them, and even got a special private
viewing of susan and sue d's new tattoos. very nice work!
maggie denied having any tattoos, but i've got a sinking
feeling that she's hiding a battleship somewhere.
*evening planning*
barb, maureen, and i drove back to jib's mom's house, so we
could hook up for dinner. jib corralled a slew of her best
friends to go out with us.
i asked about tim's condition, and found out that he had been
sleeping for most of the day. jib's mom tried to feed him
some soup, but he would only drink some juice. jib and i
asked tim if he wanted to go to dinner with us, but he
decided that it would be best if he stayed home.
*steamy windows*
jib offered to drive, so barb, maureen, and i jumped into her
trusty rental car. of course, since all 5 of us were in the car
at the same time, the front passenger's door got stuck in the
soggy grass in the sidewalk. i got out of the car to pull the
door out of the grass, when suddenly, i heard a hellacious
scream! it went something like this:
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
oh, wait. that was me who was screaming.
jib had been trying to clear the car windows of condensation
as i was attempting to free the car door from the lawn, when
the tip of my left middle finger got stuck in the window. a few
frantic shakes of my hand and whimpers (and various choice
cuss words) later, and it was actually bearable. (i still have a
nice little white mark on my nail, and a wee bruise on my nail
bed. yet another souvenir from the trip...;-) )
*dinner*
we drove into seattle and went to a mexican restaurant on
broadway - cucina and cantina? cantina and cucina?
something like that...(made quite a lasting impression, i
guess .)
we met many of jib's best friends ("this is my best friend from
high school", "she is my best friend from college...", etc.),
who proceeded to give her hell at dinner, as only best friends
can do. of course, by this time, barb, maureen, and i
were feeling comfortable enough to join in on the fun! :-)
*the easy*
after dinner, jib, barb, maureen, lisa (a list member who was
also at dinner), and i went to a local club called "the easy".
we managed to find a relatively quiet corner of the bar
(although it was rather smokey) to sit and chat, and have a
round or two.
we did walk by and peer into "the wild rose" on the way back
to the car, but didn't see susan, sue d, or maggie
macarena-ing on any tables, so we continued on. we drove
lisa back to her truck, and headed back to mom's house.
the four of us hit the sack fairly soon after we got back (2 am
or so), since we had to pack up and drive to portland the next
day. our only true day off was over too quickly, but we were
looking forward to the whirlwind pace of the rest of the tour.
...to be continued...
*rhondda*
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 08:42:20 UT
From: Breanna Anderson
Subject: *dinner*
La cucina la Cantina......
my FAVORITE mexican place. The seafood quesadilla is to die for! The service
is usually excellent too. They gave me a free birthday dinner too. Oh and the
prices are fantastic! If y'all are ever in Seattle, make sure to check this
place out. It's on Broadway (Capitol Hill).
Also, the Easy has GREAT gourmet food (hardly seems possible huh?) with even
better prices. They recently underwent a change in chefs and we havent been
there in quite some time. Even I like their salmon and I hate fish.
----------
*dinner*
we drove into seattle and went to a mexican restaurant on
broadway - cucina and cantina? cantina and cucina?
something like that...(made quite a lasting impression, i
guess .)
*the easy*
after dinner, jib, barb, maureen, lisa (a list member who was
also at dinner), and i went to a local club called "the easy".
we managed to find a relatively quiet corner of the bar
(although it was rather smokey) to sit and chat, and have a
round or two.
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 02:17:29 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: Re[2]: Tac 12/13, coming out
Janis Delmonte added her comment to
part of Shel Kilts <[email protected]> 04 Jan 97 post:
>> Lauren, who is my only family. And so it goes. I'm not a flag-waving,
>> in-your-face activist, but I do demand that my relationship be recognized
>> just like any straight relationship, and treated with the same respect.
>
>This is the most powerful form of activism there is IMHO :)
Emphatic agreement from me!
And I believe it is important for gay-friendly hets to 'come out', making
their presence and support known in the workplace and community... if we
believe in human rights, we can all be human rights activists, whether we
belong to a mistreated minority, or not... remember "silence = death".
John Miller
San Jose CA
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 12:25:50 +0100
From: Cogneau Christel
Subject: Re: Linda Perry
>>From: Jenniffer Smith <[email protected]>
>>I sort of remember seeing her on Letterman and wondering exactly
why she had 'dyke' on her guitar...I think it was because I had
been under the impression that she was bi if not straight.>>
You're right, she had that written on her guitar. I don't remember if I
copied that part of the article....if I did, I apologize...I didn't want
to post it twice...but I don't remember for sure...so here it is ! :
>>Tell me about the infamous guitar you played on Late Night With David
Letterman.
I had this brown guitar that I always played, and I had "choice"
written on it, and "dyke," and little pictures, but "dyke" was
really,
really big! We were about to play the David Letterman show, and my
former manager came to me and said, "Linda, uh, the producers are
having a problem -- they want to know if you can play another
guitar."
And I told her that I didn't have another guitar! The producer
heard,
and came over and told me, "There's a guitar store right down the
street. We'll buy you a brand-new guitar, any guitar you want!
We're
just a little concerned about the statement that's written on your
guitar." And I asked him, "Which one -- the picture? The 'dyke'? Or
is
it the 'choice' one?" They said they thought it was "a broad
statement
to be making."
So I said to them, "This is my guitar. If you want to buy me a
guitar,
I would love it, but I'm not gonna play it. I didn't just get on
your
show and write 'dyke' on my guitar. This is what I play. I'm not
changing my guitar, and if you feel that you can't have us on your
show maybe you should start deciding that, because as for right
now,
this is the guitar I'm playing, and that's it." And then they were
just like, "OK!"
I thought they were going to completely avoid showing my
guitar and shoot from really far back, but they were right on it,
they
were on my face, everything. I don't know what they wanted -- they
were just trying to push my buttons. Melissa Etheridge probably
would
have bought a new guitar!
>>
Don't flame me if this is the second time I quote this part...I am
forgetful lately :-)
Chris
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:47:38 -0500
From: Loretta Myers
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 3 Jan 1997 to 4 Jan 1997
In a message dated 97-01-05 00:04:05 EST, you write:
<< would you believe that today when I was working with an elderly
woman, she asked me if I live alone. I said 'No.' She said, "oh, you
have a partner, good, I'm glad." Now what do ya s'pose she meant? does
she know? I think so. -marcy >>
Marcy, I'm not really qualified to answer this, but since I'm getting so
close to elderly myself, I'm going to try. I think that really elderly
people are more likely to judge you by the way you treat them than by your
lifestyle, and I believe that's the way it should be with everyone. And
sure she knew. Maybe, just maybe, people who have trouble coming out to their
parents should try their grandparents first--then maybe not.
Loretta
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 20:47:54 UT
From: Breanna Anderson
Subject: Re: Tac 12/13, coming out
Indeed it is. I was an in-your-face, flag-waving activist in my younger days
(as if I'm in my golden years now). Now I live in the burbs with my lover and
her 3 kids and our 3 cats. I have a very supportive sister and mom who are
just happy to see me settling down. We shop at the local QFC (the Community
has dubbed it Queer Family Cooking hahaha) and they all know us as a couple. I
guess what I'm saying is I think we all do more for the community by demanding
our lives be treated with the integrity of any other couple than the in-your
face activism that does little more than anger potential allies.
but even in my younger days, I always thought it was up to each person to
decide when they should come out. It was so...distasteful seeing the outting
that was going on. And if we wanted other ppl to run our lives and decide when
we should do what, we'd all be letting the xtain fundies send us to their
conversion camps. Yes it DOES help when someone famous can come out. It also
helps when someone like you or me can come out. But not everyone can do so.
And yet they demand their lives be treated without special kid-gloves.
So how DARE anyone criticize some1 else for not being out. Anyone remember
Chas Bono giving flak to Tracy Chapman for not being out? What is it going to
add to the community if she is or not? Do we need another QWueer poster child
to further our rights? What about the people who are living their lives
fighting for our rights every day in virtual anonymity? Those are the real
heroes. I can see I am rambling so I will quit while I'm ahead (or behind).
There is a place for everyone in this world. Looks like Linda Perry (the
one-hit wonder) will have an interesting lesson in that when she grows up.
Ryan Blackhawke
----------
> Lauren, who is my only family. And so it goes. I'm not a flag-waving,
> in-your-face activist, but I do demand that my relationship be recognized
> just like any straight relationship, and treated with the same respect.
This is the most powerful form of activism there is IMHO :)
-Janis
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:24:03 -0600
From: "Anne E. Zachritz"
Subject: what song is this?
> Hi all. Now it's playing in my head... "Ready to Love"
OK, I give... I don't think I've heard this one? Is it off a bootleg or
something?
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:47:59 -0500
From: Kelley at AOL
Subject: Melissa pix
Did anyone get pix of Terri Clark onstage at the Memphis show with Melissa??
I know a Terri Clark fan who would love to get her hands on some for a fan
page.
Email privately if you can help.
Thanks in advance,
Kelley "I am woman, I am invincible, I am tired."
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 18:01:43 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: NMEC-coming out/being outed
Gotta throw in my $.02 on this topic. In my opinion noone should be outed by
anyone but themselves. I was outed & although everything is great now, it was
one of the hardest things I've ever had to deal with. Because it all worked
out, it's very easy for me to say it was almost even a good thing because I
might never have gotten around to it on my own & I might still be walking on
eggshells when discussing my personal life. But it also could've turned out
to be a disaster.
One thing I will say though. One of the best things that has happened because
I am out now is the changes I have seen in my workplace. People have really
become more open minded. I have a good friend who was a little freaked out at
first when she heard the rumor mill about me & even more so when I told her
it was the truth. Not too long after that when things settled down, she came
to me & said "I always had this image in my mind of what gay people were
like. It wasn't a very nice idea either. I kept expecting you to change into
that & you haven't. I realize now that you are still the same person you
always were except if anything you are much more happy now. You are the first
gay person I've known really well & it's really changed how I look at
things." Famous people coming out undoubtedly helps things, but I really
believe it's the everyday people that make the biggest changes in people's
thinking. I am very open about things & when someone has questions, they know
they can ask me. When they ask the stupid questions like "Are you this way
because you were molested as a kid?" I don't freak out & get angry. (A
co-worker really asked me this out of ignorance, not spite) I take advantage
of times like that to educate, not fight.
So maybe this is a bit more than my $.02, but a topic I just couldn't resist!
Susan
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:22:58 -0600
From: Patty Kolakowski
Subject:
Hi,
I sent this out several minuets ago, but it popped right back to me. I
don't know it it was received, so I'll try it again.
The January 21st, 1997 issue of the Advocate with Dennis Rodman on the
cover has the following in the best of TV for 1996.
"Storytellers: Melissa Etheridge
VH1, November
The most recent installment in the cable network's music performance
series, this intimate, hour-long program found the awarding-winning artist
at ease with her audience--and her success. Armed only with her guitar,
Etheridge sang her biggest hits to date and told the stories behind those
songs. It the program contained any revelations about the artist, it may
have been only how warm, personal, and genuinely funny this talented
singer-songwriter is."
AMEN!!
pk
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:09:41 -0500
From: Jill Barry
Subject: Re: what song is this?
[email protected] (Anne E. Zachritz) wrote:
<<> Hi all. Now it's playing in my head... "Ready to Love"
OK, I give... I don't think I've heard this one? Is it off a bootleg or
something?>>
Yes. "Ready To Love" can be found on "Precious Pain" (Boulder, Co 10/1/89);
"Live At the Bottom Line" (NYC 9/29/89); "Acoustic Fire" (not sure of the
source on this one); and "Melissa Volume 1" (Volume 1 of 3 from New Haven,
CT, 12/11/94).
Speaking of live recordings, this weekend started another official season of
CD shows...I picked up "No More Secrets", another 2/5/96 2CD set from
Cologne...it is the same show as "The Witch Queen Of Cologne"; and of the
tape that circulated here several months ago; it's the full set, excellent
sound quality as far as the *recording* goes, but with that out-of-tune sound
that Listers have commented on previously. Decent artwork, cover photo looks
to be from the Rolling Stone cover sessions.
Jill
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:35:32 -0800
From: Christine
Subject: Re: coming out
Susan said:
>When they ask the stupid questions like "Are you this way
> because you were molested as a kid?" I don't freak out & get angry. (A
> co-worker really asked me this out of ignorance, not spite.) I take
advantage
> of times like that to educate, not fight.
Right on. I've been asked the very same question several times, not to
mention the infamous queries: "Is it because you hate men?" or "Did you
have a bad experience with a man?" I'm never quite sure how to respond to
the latter because, well, I don't know ANY woman who hasn't had a bad
experience with a man! :-) Nevertheless, it's a great opportunity to
reply, "No, it's not that I hate men... I just prefer women." Like Susan
mentioned, these are the best moments for sitting down and conversing with
someone about a topic which is so misunderstood, feared and/or maligned.
Bright blessings,
Christine
P.S. Shirl, I LOVED your website! You, Francie and John are such cutie
pies! :-)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:40:42 -0800
From: Lisa Richards
Subject: Re: Coming Out
At 12:00 AM 1/6/97 -0500, John Miller wrote:
>
>And I believe it is important for gay-friendly hets to 'come out', making
>their presence and support known in the workplace and community... if we
>believe in human rights, we can all be human rights activists, whether we
>belong to a mistreated minority, or not... remember "silence = death".
>
>John Miller
>San Jose CA
Thank You John for saying this!
Too many people say nothing and do nothing as long as it does not affect
them directly. In my past I have been guilty of this but have tried to be
more aware and speak up - even to my family which often results in
discomfort. They realize they are being sexist, racist, etc... when it is
brought to their attention and apologize or whatever but it just happens
again - most of the time they think it's funny. I love to see straight
folks come out to meetings, march in parades and show their support - puts
a big :-) on my face. PFLAG is the absolute best!!! Now if only I can get
my parents to go to a meeting....
- Harley
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:51:21 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: Re[2]: what song is this?
Jill Barry replied to Anne's question:
>[email protected] (Anne E. Zachritz) wrote:
>
>>>Hi all. Now it's playing in my head... "Ready to Love"
>>
>>OK, I give... I don't think I've heard this one? Is it off a bootleg or
>>something?
>
>Yes. "Ready To Love" can be found on "Precious Pain" (Boulder, Co 10/1/89);
>"Live At the Bottom Line" (NYC 9/29/89); "Acoustic Fire" (not sure of the
>source on this one); and "Melissa Volume 1" (Volume 1 of 3 from New Haven,
>CT, 12/11/94).
Many years ago, in the small-club days , Melissa frequently used
'Ready to Love' as her second encore, and as Jill stated above, it's on
several boots.
For those interested in purchasing them (and I can personally recommend
'Precious Pain' *and* 'Live at the Bottom Line'), Becky O'Bryan may still
have these (and 'Acoustic Fire'), but she is selling her business *now*,
so if you're interested, call her Monday, at: 408/287-8888
Live at the Bottom Line, double CD set: $50
also includes 'Let's Get It On' and several Joplin covers
Precious Pain single CD: $30
Acoustic Fire single CD: $30
She also has a few remaining t-shirts with the famous PETA poster:
size LARGE only, $12
Add postage/handling to all prices.
John Miller - who *still* gets goosebumps with the memory of his
first Melissa show in San Francisco, 12 October 88.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:51:20 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: ANI DIFRANCO (NMEC)
Two items for the Ani Difranco fans here:
1. I just mailed instructions to all of you who asked me how to
subscribe to the *other* Ani-list (the original list is too
full of noise for most people... most unsub within a week).
If you asked me via private email for these instructions, and
you have *not* received them, email me again... BTW, the note
I just sent had the subject: 'The *other* ANI DIFRANCO LIST'
2. For those of you in Washington DC area, Ani will be performing at a
benefit for reproductive choice, Sat, Jan 18... see details below:
Tickets for the Voices For Choice concert (Pro-Choice BENEFIT) went on
sale Friday, December 13th at 10am through TicketMaster outlets in the
Washington, DC area. The number to charge tickets is 202/432-SEAT.
Tickets are $32.50 plus TM SVC. If you live in the DC area, you can
buy tickets at the Lincoln Theatre Box Office (1215 U St. NW) w/o SVC.
The Show:
Ani, Joan Osborne & Keb' Mo', Hosted by Gloria Steinem
Sat. January 18, 1997 - 8pm
Constitution Hall, 18th & D Streets, NW, Washington, DC
There is NO BOX OFFICE AT CONSTITUTION HALL until the night of the show,
so don't try to buy tickets there.
For those not familiar with Keb' Mo', he is a Bay Area blues-singer
(mostly 'delta' blues, in the tradition of blues archivist Taj Mahal).
He was the headliner of this year's San Francisco Blues Festival, and
last year he received a 'best blues album of the year' award (I forgot
who sponsored the award but I can check if you're interested).
John Miller - who worked all weekend and is desperate for some sleep!
San Jose CA
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:54:20 MET
From: "A. Wolff"
Subject: How was the dutch listers meeting?
Hello dutch Melissa fans,
I know at the end of December there has been a meeting for dutch Melissa fans
in Nijmegen (Holland). Unfortunately i coulden't come, but i wonder how it
was. I'm convinced you all must have had a terrific time. Please put
something on the list about it, so more people can enjoy it.
Annemieke
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:05:38 +0100
From: "M.Deegens"
Subject: Re: How was the dutch listers meeting?
In message Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:54:20 MET,
"A. Wolff" writes:
> Hello dutch Melissa fans,
Hello Annemieke, you wrote:>
> I know at the end of December there has been a meeting for dutch Melissa
> fans in Nijmegen (Holland). Unfortunately i coulden't come, but i wonder
> how it was. I'm convinced you all must have had a terrific time. Please
> put something on the list about it, so more people can enjoy it.
>
> Annemieke
>
Well ... 1997 must be your lucky year. The meeting hasn't take place YET. It
will be on January 26th. So you can attend it if you like. The more people
come over, the better it gets.
This is my first post to the list. Let me introduce myself.
A couple of months ago I bought a cd of ME. I never listened to her music
before, but boy, have i missed something. Great music, terrific voice, very
powerful. Yeah, I for sure am a fan stating from the first moment I heard
her music. More info: I'm 31 years old, work as a librarian at the faculty
of law in Utrecht and I didn't skate the "Elfstedentocht".
See you,
Marjon
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:08:34 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: KFOG - 1996 "year in your ear"
believe it or not, but MLE's YLS made the #1 slot in KFOG's
(104.5\97.7) 1996 "year in your ear", a list of their most
popular 104 albums. the albums do not necessarily have to
be 1996 releases.
apparently, they compiled this list based on bay area radio
airplay, bay area record sales, and KFOG listener response.
here are KFOG's top 5 choices from their "year in your ear"
list:
1. melissa etheridge, "your little secret"
2. natalie merchant, "tigerlily"
3. dave matthews band, "crash"
4. tracy chapman, "new beginning"
5. sting, "mercury falling"
*rhondda*
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:50:48 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: rebuttal letter to 12/24 LA times review
as promised, here's the rebuttal letter to the 12/24 LA times
review of the 12/22 LA show.
* * * * *
Los Angeles Times, Calendar, December 28, 1996, p. F4.
"In Defense of Etheridge"
What concert was your reviewer at? ("Grand Stand for
Etheridge," Dec. 24). The paying members of the nearly
sold-out audience at the Melissa Etheridge concert were
treated to a three-hour, very moving homecoming by a
veteran singer and songwriter who gave it her all after a
yearlong tour.
Sure, there were some instrumental sections, probably
designed to give her a chance to catch her breath.
Who else plays three hours without an intermission? Your
reviewer completely overlooked the emotion of the moment,
from the tears in her eyes during "Come to My Window" to
trying to savor every moment during her performance and
encores and keep it precious during an upcoming nontouring
year.
Nobody rocks you like the way she does!
Amy J. Zimmerman
Monrovia
* * * * *
*rhondda*
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:36:19 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: LA Times - 12/22 concert review
a friend of mine gave me a copy of the following review of
MLE's LA show. i didn't receive my digest last night
because my gateway is down, so my apologies if this is
duplicative. however, it's almost 2 weeks old and i haven't
seen it posted yet.
some of you *real fans* might want to turn away from
the horror .
* * * * *
Los Angeles Times, Calendar, December 24, 1996, pp. F1
and F24.
"Grand Stand for Etheridge"
by Natalie Nichols
Special to the Times
During her three-hour concert on Sunday at the Los Angeles
Sports Arena, Melissa Etheridge made one thing abundantly
clear: A little of her music goes a long, long way. The
Grammy-winning artist and her three-piece band stretched
her flimsy blues-rock and folk-pop songs about as far as they
could go, padding them with extended instrumental soloing,
embellishing them with vocal histrionics and grandstanding
with shameless self-indulgence. Each tune was ratcheted
well past overblown, and every song ending could have been
the grand finale.
But the dizzying succession of arena-rock cliches only
underscored the weaknesses of Etheridge's material. She
has won fans and built a career on venting everyday romantic
angst, belting out its pain and joy in an agile, throaty roar not
unlike Rod Stewart's. Yet for all the painfully sincere *Sturm
und Drang*, her work remains curiously vague emotionally.
And despite the power-chord delivery system, these bland,
pale imitation-Springsteen love songs became excruciating
after three hours. Not even the excessive rock-show window
dressing could alleviate the boredom.
An audience of adoring fans greeted Etheridge warmly as
she celebrated the end of an extended tour supporting her
latest album, 1995's "Your Little Secret." She performed the
bulk of that record, including the pleading "I Want to Come
Over" and the anthemic "Nowhere to Go," as well as such
older crowd-pleasers as "All American Girl" and "I'm the Only
One." Getting into the holiday spirit, Etheridge at one point
donned a monogrammed Santa hat before doing a medley of
John Lennon's "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" and "Give Peace
a Chance".
Elated and chatty, Etheridge wasted a lot of time talking
between songs, slowing the momentum more than once, but
also helping cultivate more familiarity than you get at the
average arena show. Indeed, as much as the audience
seemed to love every grand gesture, Etheridge's most
successful move came when she briefly set up shop on a
satellite stage at the rear of the arena floor. There, she
offered a preview of how she might perform as Janis Joplin in
a proposed movie, doing a faithful-to-the-note solo rendition of
the late blues-rocker's arrangement of Kris Kristofferson's
"Me and Bobby McGee."
Fans in the back of the hall were delighted when the band
then stepped up for a mini-set that benefited from the
bar-band intimacy of the smaller stage. But the arena
gestures returned all too soon, as Etheridge introduced each
band member, who then offered up, yes, an extended solo.
All the flashy trappings effectively obscured any genuine
emotional notes the performance might have hit. Ultimately,
the unrelenting high drama cranked this presentation too high
too soon, leaving Etheridge with nowhere to go.
* * * * *
there was a subsequent letter to the Calendar which
disagreed with the review. i'll post that next.
*rhondda*
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:12:54 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: Bootleg Request, Etc
Hi, all!
I have a friend who has some buddies who attended Melissa's concert in
Phoenix in *1994*---YIA tour. They apparently would do just about anything
to get a recording of this concert. So, does anybody out there happen to
have a bootleg of this concert or know of one? I realize this is a shot in
the dark, but I promised I'd ask.
Hey, did the Chicagoans on the list see this month's Outlines? They actually
gave some advance press to my Melissa biography, which totally blew me away.
I knew they were planning to review the book next month, but this mention
was *great* and they even ran a photo of the book's front cover. Kewl!
Well, that's all for now.
Later,
Joyce
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:15:39 -0000
From: Suzanne Shmagin
Subject: Ani-impaired? You're not alone!
Hey there listers:
>Allison wrote:
>>You know I have tried and tried and tried to like Ani D. but I just can't.
>>I have no idea why (maybe it's the dreadful impact she has had on fashion?
>>). I know she is smart, I know she's good, I know I know. I buy the
>>albums because I know I should like her, but every time I play one I just
>>can't do it. Help...
>
Then Aaron responded:
>Finally, someone who feels the way I do about Ani!!! I LOVE her lyrics, and
>I really admire the way she's been able to build such a large fan base while
>staying on her own indie label, but I just can't listen to her. I don't
>know if it's her music or her voice, or the way she sings, but her songs
>just sound so boring to me. Practically everyone I know absolutely loves
>her, and I keep thinking I should like her, but I just don't. Strange!
>
I have to agree with them both--it's something about her (I'm not
quite sure what) that just turns me off. The lyrics truly are great, but
I just can't get into what she is singing--perhaps the vulgarity turns
me off, but that's not real likely. I don't know, sometimes I think that
she sounds phony! That could be it.
Well, happy '97 to all!
Sincerely,
Suzanne
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:40:35 EST
From: "Vanessa A. Brown"
Subject: NMEC-Shawn Colvin?
Have I heard Shawn Colvin mentioned here? She is coming to our local theatre
soon. Can someone give me some info on her?
Thanks so much!!
Vanessa in NH where there hasn't been much winter yet...not that I'm
complaining, but those new showshoes are just sitting there...and those new
gators...and those new boots.........
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:02:25 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: Re: NMEC-Shawn Colvin?
"Vanessa A. Brown" wrote:
>Have I heard Shawn Colvin mentioned here?
Yes... I have mentioned her several times, as has Deb, and probably some
others on this list... I think she's one of the best singer-songwriters
around, and her latest CD is one of my top five releases of 1996.
>She is coming to our local theatre soon.
>Can someone give me some info on her?
A quick way to get Shawn Colvin info is her SONY web-page at:
http://www.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/ShawnColvin.html/
You will find pics/reviews/profiles/lyrics and her latest tour info.
See her live if you can!
John Miller
San Jose CA
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:08:27 -0500
From: Kathy at aol
Subject: For conversation's sake
Hey all,
I thought since this will be kind of a down time as far as current MLE
happenings, etc. that maybe some of you would be interested in posting your
thoughts on what Melissa and Julie are doing right now. Ya' know, like if
you could picture them now with the pregnancy so near, what do you think
their days are like? Do you think Melissa is just babying Julie to death?
Are they pretty much homebodies now? That sort of thing. Maybe some of you
actually know what they're up to.
I thought it might be kind of fun to read all of your thoughts.
Thanks
Kathy
P.S. Does anybody know why she wore a long sleeve shirt the entire YLS tour
and on most of her appearances in the last couple of years? You think it
helps with her height or she wants her rear covered, or what? I'm not trying
to be overly analytical or obsessive. I'm just making conversation : )
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:46:59 -0500
From: Sheila McRae
Subject: Return to da List & Shawn Colvin
Hiya fellow listers.....
Its nice to be back on the list after a brief, but much needed break from
the 'puter. 'tis I, Aimee....with my partner in parenthesis in tow
(Sheila). ;o) I decided I had to get back on the list pretty quickly so I
can stay current on any baby news that will no doubt soon be breaking.
For those on the list I haven't *met* I'll keep it short and sweet...I'm
Aimee, my girlfriend is Sheila, I work at Borders Books & Music in Traverse
City, with a fellow lister Jennifer Sass (tho I would like to note that I
was on it first! ;oP ) Sheila and I have a kitty, and a fishy, and have just
celebrated our first anniversary. **Whew!!**
Anything else ya wanna know, e-mail me privately...and we'll see what I'll
tell...
I caught a mention of Shawn Colvin...and I don't think I can add much to
what Professor John already enlightened us with, but I HIGHLY recommend
checking her out. I just got her newest release...love it...but I think I
still like Fat City better.
Aimee (and Sheila who has a suprise when she gets home!)
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:19:30 EST
From: M Something
Subject: Pop-Up Video
I recently caught the last half of VH1's pop-up video for CTMW. I
thought it was great and am really looking forward to catching it from
the beginning. It will be a great addition to my MLE video collection.
I like the whole concept and have enjoyed watching many other pop-up
videos. It makes it hard to get anything done around the house though
because I don't want to take my eyes off the screen while it's on.
BTW, although I won't find out my exact grades until next week, I found
out today that I definitely passed all of my first semester law school
classes. :) Guess who's celebrating tonight.
Michelle, who had a better night's sleep last night than she's had in a
long time.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:37:45 -0600
From: Juan Manuel Teran Contreras
Subject: Happy New Year to All!
Hi all you MLE listers,
I just got back from a long and tiresome vacation and thought I
should wish you all a very Happy New Year even though it is a little
late... better late than never, right?
I still haven't caught up on all I missed over the hoildays but
am slowly reading all I missed. Glad to see flame wars have gone
temporarily on hold (at least up to where I have read).
Living here in Mexico I will be sorely missing all Melissa info.
especially now her tour has ended and we all know she won't be back in
public for a while... be sure to keep me posted on all the tid-bits you
hear since down here we get very limited, if any, information. --sigh--
Well, not much else to report except maybe something that you
guys up there might not have been aware of. When Melissa made her
spanish version of NTG she did a slightly different video to go with it.
They had to cut out all those bits where she is obviously singing and
instead add other footage that wasn't used in the English version. I
think that the video that goes with the Spanish version is slightly
better, showing more of the relationship between the two "characters".
The best is the Spanish video watched while listening to the English
version since I like the English version more. Anyway, though I would
share, sorry if it is old news.
Susie (not Juan: for all those who missed my intro. post I am using my
father's account and am not sure whether my public name has been changed)
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:18:12 -0500
From: Joanne Parra
Subject: coming out
Maybe this is beating a dead horse, but we feel like we had to add our .02
anyway :)
Reading what everyone else has felt and experienced when they were coming
out (or not, as the case may be), and seeing that those feelings were so
similar to what we've experienced have made the two of us feel stronger and
not so isolated. We're not out to everyone we know, for a lot of different
reasons, though we are to our closest friends. But reading everything that
has been posted in the last few days makes us want to go out and tell the
whole world. Someday we will, but that is our choice to make, not anyone
else's. No one else can decide for us when the time is right. MLE came out
when she decided it was right for her, whatever her reasons were, they were
HER reasons. Linda Perry needs to respect that.
Joanne and Tracey
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:21:17 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: pollstar - 1996 top selling acts
how about some serious number crunching? i was checking out
pollstar's site (http://www.pollstar.com) this evening and noticed
that they have their 1996 "top 50 selling acts" list available. of
course, i had to check it out to see if our lady of etheridge appears
anywhere on there, and the answer is, yes, she does. :-)
she is the 33rd best selling act of 1996. her stats are as follows:
Gross Artist Avg. Tix Avg. Gross Cities/Shows
(mill) Sold
9.8 MLE 4,138 $132,432 74/74
here are the top 5 selling artists (numbers 1-5):
Gross Artist Avg. Tix Avg. Gross Cities/Shows
(mill) Sold
43.6 KISS 15,951 $581,800 75/92
34.5 Garth Brooks 45,860 $841,517 41/121
32.2 Neil Diamond 22,660 $657,142 49/72
29.1 Rod Stewart 12,146 $470,287 62/65
26.3 Bob Seger 16,184 $461,541 57/64
i whipped out the old trusty calculator (well, ok, i used the one on
my computer ), and discovered that dividing the average gross per
concert by the average number of tickets sold, you'd (hopefully)
determine what the average concert ticket was going for. here's what
my calculator (blame the machine and not the operator ) said for
the artists above.
Artist Avg. Ticket
Cost
MLE $33.00
KISS $36.47
Garth Brooks $18.35
Neil Diamond $29.00
Rod Stewart $38.72
Bob Seger $28.52
personally, i'd say the most telling sign is the average ticket sold
figure, which certainly corroborates many of the concert reports from
this list (including my own). comments?
*rhondda*
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:39:24 -0500
From: JENNIFER SASS
Subject: Re: Return to da List & Shawn Colvin
On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Sheila McRae wrote:
> Hiya fellow listers.....
>
> For those on the list I haven't *met* I'll keep it short and sweet...I'm
> Aimee, my girlfriend is Sheila, I work at Borders Books & Music in Traverse
> City, with a fellow lister Jennifer Sass (tho I would like to note that I
> was on it first! ;oP )
>
Hey howd I get dragged into this one?????? I am the innocent one here!
> Aimee (and Sheila who has a suprise when she gets home!)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too much information Aimee...too much info!
Jennifer Sass [email protected] [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:30:56 EST
From: DOUG
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL
Hello and hi there.
Finally have time to send a quick hello. I came back to work
yesterday and didn't have time to go to the men's room let alone send
a message to my favorite list server. Hope all is well with each of
you.
Doug (and John)
PS...special hello to Renee and Pooh!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:22:27 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Spanish NTG Video
>>> Juan Manuel Teran Contreras
01/06/97 09:37pm >>> writes:
[AKA Susie ]:
>The best is the Spanish video watched while listening to the
>English version since I like the English version more.
Here's my stupid question of the day: Thanks to concert
reviews posted by South-West US listers, we know that she
sang at least parts of the song in Spanish, but did she
actually sing NTG in Spanish for the video? IE--when you
watch the video, is the Spanish version of the song dubbed
over the US version of the video so that you can hear
Spanish but 'see' English?
jen--freezing off her arse in a forrest-green silk sweater she
got for Xmas, because the sweater just wasn't made for
warmth (but boy does it look good!)
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:07:18 -0800
From: "Karen Steenstrup (Punster)"
Subject: Re: Pop-Up Video
Michelle wrote:
> BTW, although I won't find out my exact grades until next week, I found
> out today that I definitely passed all of my first semester law school
> classes. :) Guess who's celebrating tonight.
Hey, congrats Michelle!!! I knew you could do it. I'm sure your family
is making a "federal case" out of it.
Congrats again and keep up the great work!
Kare, who wonders if anyone ever goes to law school on a trial basis.
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:21:44 EST
From: M Something
Subject: Re: Pop-Up Video
Kare wrote:
>Hey, congrats Michelle!!! I knew you could do it. I'm sure your family
>is making a "federal case" out of it.
LOL! Thanks. I'll make this "brief." "Judging" from your remarks, I'd
say you're happy for me. I find that to be very "appeal"ing. It "suits"
me just fine.
>Congrats again and keep up the great work!
Well, I'll try to stick to my "convictions" and keep studying. :)
Michelle
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:08:55 -0500
From: Tei at netcom
Subject: Congratulations Joyce!!!
> Hey, did the Chicagoans on the list see this month's Outlines? They
> actually
> gave some advance press to my Melissa biography, which totally blew me
> away.
> I knew they were planning to review the book next month, but this
> mention
> was *great* and they even ran a photo of the book's front cover.
> Kewl!
>
> Well, that's all for now.
>
> Later,
> Joyce
Joyce.... I must say that this is the most *EXCITING* news I have read
on the list in awhile..
I am so thrilled for your accomplishments, especially reguarding this
book!
I wish I lived in Chicago and had the chance to catch Outlines AND
MOSTLY... be the one to inform you of it.....
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!
(and CONGRADULATIONS !!!! for the way I often mispell it...'ha!)
one request... will you e-mail me privately with all the information on
your book... how and when I can receive a copy?
Take CaRE...
HATS OFF TO YA GAL!
sincerely,
tei!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:27:45 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Joyce's MLE Bio...
Alright...since she ain't gonna say anything about
her-bad-self...
You can access an on-line preview of Joyce Luck's MLE bio,
"Melissa Etheridge: Our Little Secret," at
http://www.ecw.ca/press
--or--
You can access it from the main MLEther list page (there is
a really nice scan of the book cover...just click on that).
There is ordering information from ECW at their site, and
they say that the book is available in January, 1997. They
also give an 800 number for the US distributor, Login
Distribution. However...when I phoned Login this morning,
they told me that the book wouldn't be available until
*March*. I'm guessing this is the availability date for the US
only (or perhaps they just don't know what they're talking
about). Anyway, I tried ordering on-line directly, but they
didn't ask for a credit card # or anything. All I know for sure
is...I WANT MY COPY NOW!!!!!!!!! :-)
It's pretty cool...check it out!
CONGRATS, JLUCKY7 !!!! ;-)
jen--anxious in Indiana
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:15:01 -0800
From: Marleen Niekel
Subject: Dutch MELister Meeting... 26th of JANUARI !!!
Hi Listers,
Annemieke wrote:
> I know at the end of December there has been a meeting for dutch Melissa
> fans in Nijmegen (Holland). Unfortunately i coulden't come, but i wonder
> how it was. I'm convinced you all must have had a terrific time. Please
> put something on the list about it, so more people can enjoy it.
We will when the meeting has taken place;-D
Then Marjon replied:
> Well ... 1997 must be your lucky year. The meeting hasn't take place YET.
> It will be on January 26th. So you can attend it if you like. The more
> people come over, the better it gets.
Marjon thanxxxx for clearing up this LITTLE misunderstanding
(I'm on digest, so I couldn't respond earlier).
Annemieke if you're still interested in coming to the Dutch MELister Meeting
(if you don't already have plans the 26th of JANUARI:-), please mail Marcel
or me, so we can work things out. And then I'm gonne bug you again:-) with
the mail 'bout the surprise:-D
Since I'm on this topic anyway...
I would like to ask if all the dutch listers who haven't responded (yet) to
my mail 'bout the surprise-thingy, could e-mail me BEFORE next saturday
(11th). Even if your not interested please lemme know! So, I can get things
going this weekend.
OK I've taken enough space...
... get on with whatever you guys (and gals) where discussing:-)
Bye,
Marleen
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:39:20 -0500
From: Tei at netcom
Subject: my ani defranco thoughts.... SMEC
Hey there listers:
>Allison wrote:
>>You know I have tried and tried and tried to like Ani D. but I just
>> can't.
>>I have no idea why (maybe it's the dreadful impact she has had on
>> fashion?
>>). I know she is smart, I know she's good, I know I know. I buy the
>>albums because I know I should like her, but every time I play one I
>> just
>>can't do it. Help...
>
Then Aaron responded:
>Finally, someone who feels the way I do about Ani!!! I LOVE her
>lyrics, and
>I really admire the way she's been able to build such a large fan base
> while
>staying on her own indie label, but I just can't listen to her. I
>don't
>know if it's her music or her voice, or the way she sings, but her
>songs
>just sound so boring to me. Practically everyone I know absolutely
>loves
>her, and I keep thinking I should like her, but I just don't. Strange!
>
suzanne shared her thoughts...
>I have to agree with them both--it's something about her (I'm not
>quite sure what) that just turns me off. The lyrics truly are great, >>but
>I just can't get into what she is singing--perhaps the vulgarity turns
>me off, but that's not real likely. I don't know, sometimes I think
>that
>she sounds phony! That could be it.
(gee I must be talkative today.......)
I can hear what the three of you are saying.... and I think I have some
inkling of where your thoughts are coming from....
Simply.... my suggesstion is to listen particularly to her guitar
playing....
I think that is where you will find 'authentication' for her committment
and deep love of music....
I also believe that if you do this.... you will become more of an "ani
fan!(heheh)
seriously,... Her real love seems to me to be translated through the
guitar playing she does!
And in that you will find a 'love'(or simply more attracted) to her
music.
(more reasons behind my statement)
(more babble so to say)
I believe that although her lyrics are indeed compelling...
they are put on the surface of the music...
It seems to me (and this is only in my own opinion)
that ani probably creates her music first...
she builds the guitar tableture...
then based on her emotions that she felt while creating the music..
she puts words to it..
don't get me wrong...
I do not want to put her lyric writing down...
I believe that it is actually a seriously executed task of writing..
BUT she does not write so much to her feelings as she does that of her
music...
(understand?)
In other words she puts lyrics to her guitar music
and tells you what it is saying...
(us artists.... so hard to understand sometimes..)
(excuse the poor composition here please Allison... =))
Unlike our Melissa who in my opinion...
probably creates her words and music at the same time..
The entire song seems to be created as one entity..
Where as ani seems to create her music in parts.. amoung parrell lines
so to say..
I listen to ani this way and I find that I come to like the lyrics to
carry me along the life of the music..
Ani is good good good....but she translates a totally different style
of rock than does Melissa...
but I think... you just godda like it!
OK ENOUGH ... I WILL STOP THIS INCESSANT BABBLE...
with this...
Ani is pretty kewl
MELISSA IS THE BEST!!!!
hail hail!
tei!
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:49:58 -0600
From: Robert W Smith
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 5 Jan 1997 to 6 Jan 1997
I just wanted to take the time to say "Hi" to everyone... I'm new on the
list, and I'm so happy that I found so many others that believe the way I
do! My name is Amanda Smith, but everyone calls me Mandy... I love
Melissa Etheridge, because she is truly a stong woman and also an idol of
mine! She has greatly influenced me in my own songs and I just love her way
with words... WEll, Thanks again for allowing me to join your group, and
hope to contribute as much as I can.
Mandy
"I'm gonna go out tonight,
I'm gonna drive up to the hill,
I'm gonna drive on into those city lights
And I'm gonna dance, dance
Dance till I get my fill"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:26:44 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: people
In Jan 13th's People Magazine there's a cute photo of Melissa and Julie
at the Evita premier.
-marcy
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:21:18 -0600
From: Debby Anderson
Subject: MLE Pay
>she is the 33rd best selling act of 1996. her stats are as follows:
>
>Gross Artist Avg. Tix Avg. Gross Cities/Shows
>(mill) Sold
>
>9.8 MLE 4,138 $132,432 74/74
Does anyone know what MLE's net pay would be of 9.8 mil?
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:56:24 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: NTG - spanish version
Susie said:
>When Melissa made her spanish version of NTG she did a
>slightly different video to go with it.
>They had to cut out all those bits where she is obviously
>singing and instead add other footage that wasn't used in
>the English version. I think that the video that goes with the
>Spanish version is slightly better, showing more of the
>elationship between the two "characters".
thanks, susie, for this news. i certainly haven't heard
anything about a spanish version of the NTG video. has
anyone in the states or canada or australia or europe seen
this yet?
based on your description that they have used the same
video for the spanish version, except they have removed the
portions where MLE is singing. right? in other words, they
do not actually show her singing NTG in spanish?
when MLE sang the spanish version at the phoenix ---> l.a.
shows, she did mention that she had recorded it in the
studio. does anyone know if this version will be released?
i've already emailed MEIN about this, but thought that i'd ask
here as well.
*rhondda* <---- "this circus is not mine"
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:34:00 -0600
From: Patty Kolakowski
Subject: trivia
Hi,
Just took a peek at the Official Grammy sight and from what I could see
Melissa was not nominated to anything. Boo!! What do they know.
I've become an email junky. I've sent out the following:
1. To VH1 suggesting a pop-up video for "I'm the only one".
2. To MEIN to try to address, in the next news letter, why they were so
strict about cameras at the concerts. Just wanted their thoughts on it,
since we all seem to enjoy the photos so much.
3. To Rosie O'Donnell and MEIN to try to reschedule Melissa on Rosie's
show.
GO JAGUARS!!
Bee Good
pk
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:07:14 +1000
From: Margo Hellyer
Subject: Re: NTG - spanish version
Roaming Rhondda asked:
>thanks, susie, for this news. i certainly haven't heard
>anything about a spanish version of the NTG video. has
>anyone in the states or canada or australia or europe seen
>this yet?
Nope .. haven't seen any version of the NTG vid here in the land of Oz. It
may have been on at some obscure hour once or twice but somehow I doubt it.
The NTG single did not receive any airplay either.
The only recent MLE sighting in the Australian media was a paired
look-a-like photo set in a gay newsheet. It featured photos of Melissa and
Fergie (Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York and permanent tabloid fodder
item) as a couple separated at birth. This could not be interpreted as a
compliment for Melissa.
Have been enjoying the reports of the West Coast tours and look forward to
reviews of Joyce's book. For those of you who want to know, most of
Australia has been having periodic heat waves but today it is a magnificent
sunny just right temperature kind of day. Pity I am working.
1996 was a bumper harvest of concerts (MLE, Tracy Chapman, kd, Joan
Armatrading, Amanda Marshall, alanis etc). 1997 is looking good already
with Laurie Anderson, Patti Smith and Bruce Springsteen coming up in the
next few days/months.
Debby enquired:
>Does anyone know what MLE's net pay would be of 9.8 mil?
Enough to buy the baby a pony I suspect!
Margo
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:13:35 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: YCSWID tour - 12/15 portland show
*tour recap*
after spending the 14th (our day off) in seattle, we had to
pack up and leave seattle for the portland show that evening.
*morning*
jib wanted to hang out a bit more at her mom's house (plus
say goodbye to her dogs), so she gave us directions to her
friend sabrina's apartment. after thanking jib's mom profusely
for her hospitality and for taking care of tim, we sadly left
seattle and drove to portland.
*driving to portland*
the drive itself was rather uneventful, although tim did get to
see oregon for the first time in the daylight. it took us
about 3 hours or so to get to sabrina's apartment. within an
hour of our arrival, jib, barb, and maureen showed up, too.
sabrina (who didn't go to the show) made us all feel very
comfortable, particularly since almost all of us (except for jib,
of course) were complete strangers. tim took off for the
venue, and the rest of us hung out for awhile watching reruns
of "road rules" and "the real world."
we took some wacky pictures of us hanging out in sabrina's
living room. the moral of the story is: be sure your camera
is turned *on* before attempting to take a picture. ;-)
*going to the show*
sabrina warned us that there was a portland trailblazers
game playing at the rose garden, which was located right
next door to the portland memorial coliseum. parking might
be difficult, so we decided to take off early, not only so we
could get to the show in plenty of time, but also so we could
hook up with susan, sue d, sheri, and lynn at the pre-show
gathering place.
we made it to the coliseum with plenty of time to spare, but
then got stuck in a massive traffic jam as we attempted to
find parking. the main garden/coliseum lots were already full
by the time we got there, so we drove around looking for
either street parking or an off-site lot. we found a $5 lot fairly
close to the venue, so we parked the groovy van there for the
evening and hightailed it to the coliseum.
*our seats*
after waiting in the wrong will-call line (we were at the rose
garden and not the coliseum), we found the coliseum and
picked up our MEIN tickets.
and for those keeping track:
portland MEIN seats - 22nd row floor
(barb and maureen got 2nd row again - for the 3rd time in a
row!)
*pre-show gathering*
well, we tried. the four of us walked over to the appointed
pre-show gathering spot, cucina cucina, but, unfortunately,
we didn't see any recognizable faces. we found out later
from susan and sue d that there was such a horrendous wait
when they got there, that they decided to go to the radio
station-sponsored event 2 doors down.
*waiting*
we ran into marcy and pals, as jib was buying a pretzel.
marcy was sporting a large orange "U" that she was wearing
around her neck (more on that later).
jib and i split off from barb and maureen, and headed off to
our seats. we ran into tim as we reached the floor of the
coliseum. he said, "oh, i have something for you" and pulled
out an orange MLE pick for both of us. all right! it has
MLE's symbol on one side and her signature on the other.
based on the style of MLE's symbol, it appears to be from
the YIA tour (right, tim?).
after being spoiled by the incredible seats at the spokane
and tacoma shows, i was a little disappointed by our 22nd
row seats, but we had a good view of the main stage and
were fairly close to the B stage, so they weren't as bad as i
originally thought. we were also right on the aisle (which
would become more significant later on).
jib thought that she had died and gone to heaven when we
discovered that the venue sold cotton candy (candy floss,
eh? ) on the floor. she got the last pink bunch (they only
had blue ones left)!
susan and sue d found us soon after we got to our seats. all
of my disappointment about our seats disappeared when we
found out where susan and sue d's MEIN seats were located.
the last row on the floor! geez...
*the show*
unlike the spokane arena and the tacoma dome, the portland
memorial coliseum was *not* cut in half for the show.
however, the entire upper deck was empty and the second
level was not full either.
7:30 show time, began at 7:45; show ended at 10:30
the 1st set, 3rd set, and the encores were the same as the
spokane show. the only difference was in the B stage set:
B stage (2nd set):
YIA
AAG
LMG
ATWTH
Resist
*fashion report*
black shiny leather pants (a looser variety), obligatory black
T, sparkly overshirt, and black faux snakeskin Docs.
once we saw that MLE was wearing her sparkly overshirt and
not a denim one, we knew that she wouldn't be lowered into
the audience this evening!
*memorable moments*
definitely *not* one of her better shows, especially when
compared to the high energy tacoma show the night before.
MLE blew the first line to the first song, IRLY. something
must not have felt right to her, because she did sing, "i'll buy
you mangos, baby", but then she cracked up. she said, "i've
never forgotten the first line to the first song before!" she
mentioned that she and the band had been reminiscing about
how the tour was ending in a week, and she just lost her
concentration. after apologizing and yelling out "good
evening, portland, how're you doin'?", she began the song
again.
a few songs into the first set, MLE told a story about how
john and kenny went next door to the rose garden to see
some of the basketball game. she said they felt really short
(compared to the b-ball players)! well, this would have been
especially funny, if MLE hadn't forgotten john's name. hello?
how long have you two been working together?
"uh, uh, erm...john! we've been working together for 3 years,
and i just forgot your name!" whoops...
later on in the first set (it might have been after NTG), MLE
talked about how she wanted to start the show over again;
that they were like a team coming back from behind. the
audience cheered their encouragement, and the show
continued (and did get better).
*B stage*
i left jib once during the 1st set and attempted to get to the B
stage by the far house left aisle. unlike the previous 2
shows, the venue had put up metal barriers at the end of the
aisle, so that people couldn't approach the B stage. so, i
went back to my seat.
as in spokane and tacoma, the security started putting up
the rope barriers in the aisle in preparation for the B stage
set. it turns out that our seats were right on that aisle. once
i noticed them start to do this, i slipped out and tried to get
to the B stage once again. the metal barriers were still up at
the end of the left aisle, so i just hung out during SL. i didn't
last long there because a security guard asked to see my
ticket. i showed it to her and asked if they were going to
take the barriers down. i mentioned that MLE had opened
the B stage up in the previous two shows. she said no and
told me to go back to my seat. damn.
(it turns out that i could have accessed the B stage if i had
just gone down the right aisle. duh!)
so, i went back to my seat and watched the B stage set with
jib. we could actually see pretty well from there. at one
point, i saw marcy, who was pressed right up against the B
stage. she was wearing her orange "U" around her neck and
grinning from ear to ear, as she looked up adoringly at MLE.
:-D
during Resist, MLE introduced each of the band members as
she usually did, and they exited down one of the aisles to
get back to the main stage (note: the portland show was the
last show that MLE and the band returned to the main stage
via one of the roped off aisles on the floor). we were able to
watch mark, john, kenny, and finally MLE go down the aisle
right by our seats.
as soon as everyone was safely back on the main stage, the
security released the rope barriers, and the audience was
allowed to move up. i left my seat at this point and moved up
to the main stage area.
i wasn't able to get as close to the main stage as i had at the
last two shows. i ended up at one of the main aisles
between the 1st and 2nd rows.
*LTWID/encores*
while the portland show wasn't one of the better shows, it did
have its special moments. during one of MLE's solos during
LTWID, she walked over to stage right (where i was located).
two adults were holding up their little boy, who was about 3-4
years old, on their shoulders. as MLE walked by during her
solo, she high-fived the little boy who was reaching towards
her. after she finished LTWID, MLE gave the little boy her
pick. awwwww...
when she said her goodbyes during TWIO, MLE shook the
little boy's hand again and also at least one more little girl's
hand who was close by.
i wasn't close enough to the main stage so i did not get a
handshake as she left the stage during TWIO (2 out of 3
shows ain't bad ).
*bootleg T-shirts*
as we walked out of the coliseum, we ran into several guys
selling bootleg T-shirts. now, jib was totally enthralled by
this idea, having just discovered bootleg T's at a MLE show
she attended in the midwest (these wacky kids today, i tell
ya! ). so, after telling her that i saw someone selling
bootleg T's after the spokane show, she made it her LIFE
MISSION to buy every last bootleg T she could get her hands
on.
well, there was only one type of bootleg T for sale at the
portland show. so, of course, jib bought one, as did
maureen. anyway, we were looking the booty over when we
noticed the tour cities listed on the back. we just about fell
over when we read that the last show was supposed in
honolulu. ah! this must be the "secret" show! :-) tim's been
holding out on us! ( the bootleggers messed up quite a
few city names.)
much of the bootleg T discussion between jib and i inevitably
led back to the "seinfeld" bootleggers episode a few months
ago. silly reinactments abounded...("i'm a BOOTLEGGA",
"i'm doing it for the kids...", "you do beautiful work, man",
etc.). since the bootleggers episode was also the one with
elaine doing her "dance", we also had to reinact "the full
body dry heave set to music" at every available opportunity.
a sight you've just got to see to truly appreciate. :-)
*post-show*
jib and i had to go back to the van to get our stuff. barb and
maureen decided to start driving back to hornby island that
evening, so they gave us a ride to where tim parked the
buick.
we said our sad goodbyes to barb and maureen (and barb's
dog, papi). it was great doing the NW portion with you two!
we drove back to sabrina's apartment outside of portland (via
vancouver, washington - oops, i'm going the wrong way). tim
was still sick, but was actually starting to feel a bit better.
jib and i stayed up until after 2 am (yet again) chatting with
sabrina.
the next day (the 16th) was technically a day off, too, but we
had to spend it driving back to the SF bay area. it's about a
10 hour drive, but we're finally moving south where the
weather's warmer. and i get to sleep in my own bed...:-)
...to be continued...
*rhondda*
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:11:15 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Re: Trivia and "How Dumb Am I ?"
>>> Patty Kolakowski 01/08/97
12:34am >>> writes:
>Just took a peek at the Official Grammy sight and from
>what I could see Melissa was not nominated to anything.
>Boo!! What do they know.
I'm sure that, like anything in this world, the Grammies are
majorly political. However, I really don't think that anything
off of YLS really deserved a nomination. NTG comes the
closest of any of the cuts from YLS, but I don't think it was
'radio friendly' enough to really catch anyone's attention. I
haven't seen the nominations, but I would suspect that Alanis
and Celine each walked away with a fair number of
nominations. Not that their music is better than YLS, but
YLS' success doesn't begin to compare to that of either of
the aforementioned women in 1996.
>2. To MEIN to try to address, in the next news letter, why
>they were so strict about cameras at the concerts.
I don't think that there are many concerts where cameras are
openly welcome. There are lots of folks who will take pics at
concerts only to turn a buck on them. I'm sure there are lots
of folks, myself and several listers included, who would enjoy
the pictures for our own private collections or to give away.
It's just not really fair to the artist, IMO, for someone to make
money on pics taken at concerts...especially if pictures are
part of the artisit's revenue.
>3. To Rosie O'Donnell and MEIN to try to reschedule
>Melissa on Rosie's show.
Definately! It would probably happen sooner if Rosie filmed in
Cally.
>GO JAGUARS!!
At least into the Superbowl. I don't care who plays the Pats
ever again...I want their blood! No, no, no...not really. Had
my Steelers bothered to show up for the game (or at least
acted as if they'd *played* football before last Sunday), I'm
sure I'd feel differently *if* the Pats had still come out the
victors. Maybe. Not. Maybe... Not...
And in other news...
I, with my head in the clouds (or up my butt, or somthing like
that...) and in all my infinite wisdom, wrote (yesterday):
>Here's my stupid question of the day:
What foresight! What accuracy! How did I know???
>IE--when you watch the video, is the Spanish version of the
>song dubbed over the US version of the video so that you
>can hear Spanish but 'see' English?
[Beavis running in from stage-left...] "huh-huh...huh-huh...yer
a dumb-ass...huh-huh...Susie *said* that they cut out the
parts where you could see MLE singing...you suck! huh-
huh..."
jen--who stresses that *everything* she's written in this post
is *strictly* her own humble opinion...*anyone* who wants to
take exception to *anything* she's said is more than
welcome to do so... ;-)
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:34:51 -0600
From: Juan Manuel Teran Contreras
Subject: NTG Spanish video and song...
Hi all,
This is Susie again. Let me see if I can clear up any
misunderstandings about the Spanish video version. As in the English
radio version which tends to cut out the 2nd verse so does the Spanish
version, so I am guessing that when she recorded the Spanish version in
the studio she only recorded the 1st and 3rd verses in Spanish. Then
this version was dubbed over the video, ie. you never see Melissa
actually singing in Spanish. Therefore, in the bits of the English video
where you can actually see her singing Julie inserted bits of video
footage that they shot when making the English video but then never
used. Therefore, as I said before there are a lot more shots of the pair
on the "adventure". In an interview of Latin MTV that Melissa did at the
same time as the first airing of the video (in Spanish) she discusses how
she likes the Spanish video a little better becuase it shows more of the
"relationship between the two people in the video" (a direct quote I
believe)
I don't know if they will ever release the Spanish version, I was
hoping that they would release it on the import single of NTG but so far
I haven't found a single of NTG with the Spanish version on it. Believe
me when I say (as a native English AND Spanish speaker) that the English
version is a lot better. I have played it for friends who vary in the
degree of Spanish skills, etc. and have come to the conclusion that
English speaker will think is is OK while native Spanish speakers will
find it a bit jarring. Unfortunately, the translation is too literal and
thus doesn't quite meld with the music, something the English version
does beautifully. (As someone very recently said, sorry I can't remember
who, when comparing Melissa and Ani that Melissa seems to write music and
lyrics together getting them to blend very well... the Spanish version
doesn't do that, unfortunately). Of course, after listening to the
Spanish version A LOT and being the big ME fan that I am, I like it OK
now too! :)
Well, I hope this has cleared it all up. If anyone hears of the
Spanish version being released please tell me.
Back too lurking,
Susie
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:55:09 -0500
From: Karrie Bowen
Subject: NMLEC- To those I owe boots to.....
Please, bear with me.....I lost my job and all of my days have been filled
with tumultuous hell, among the other disastes going on in my life right now!
I PROMISE!!! I WILL GET THEM DONE!!!
Especially You Joanne! Thanks for the patience!
peace-
Karrie
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:55:06 -0400
From: Gwen Shinko
Subject: Congrats Joyce
Way to go Joyce!!! I checked out the ECW website and now I can't wait to
buy a copy of your book.
So when will you be in D.C. to promote it? I'm sure the D.C. Metro-area
Macarena Listers will be the first in line to have our copies autographed.
Seriously though, is Lambda Rising going to carry it?
Gwen
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:00:19 EST
From: M Something
Subject: Re: Trivia and "How Dumb Am I ?"
Patty Kolakowski wrote:
>>2. To MEIN to try to address, in the next news letter, why
>>they were so strict about cameras at the concerts.
And Jen Smith replied:
>I don't think that there are many concerts where cameras are
>openly welcome.
As already reported, I was surprised with how lax security was at the Ice
Palace in Tampa. My friend Jackie stuffed two cameras down the front of
her shirt only to find out after entering the venue that they weren't
even checking at all. As far as I know, no one had trouble taking
pictures during the show either. Maybe it's just the laid-back nature of
Floridians.
Michelle
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:41:28 -0800
From: Cindy Hoeflak
Subject: Help!
First of all, happy new year to all!!
I've just returned from a 6 week vacation to Florida and Holland and had the
best time,
though now I have a slight problem. My aunty in Holland (who's also a lesbian),
convinced me it was best to tell my mother I'm gay, as I've been too chicken to
tell
her. Not so much chicken, but I also wanted to be sure myself.
I have one brother, (who's gay also) he's 23, I'm 20. So I told my mother the
day I
arrived back home and she took it pretty good, however, she cannot understand
that she
has two kids and that are *both* gay! She's determined to find some type of
explanation
for this, and actually asked me to write to the list to ask if anyone could shed
some
more light on this matter.
Personally, I don't really think it's such an important issue, as we're all very
happy.
I guess it came as big shock to my mother, and she needs to handle it in her own
way.
My brother's been out for 5 years, but they always thought he was gay. With me,
it's a
different story.
I can tell she's very upset, and sometimes I wish I hadn't told her. I don't
know if I
need someone to reassure me that I did the right thing by telling her, or if I
need someone to attempt to give an explanation to my mother.
I guess I'm going through a rough time at the moment, and some of you might be
able to
relate to this. My best friend's been wonderful to both my mother and myself,
which
helps a lot.
I would appreciate all opinions and thoughts.
Thanks and enjoy your day.
Cindy :)
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:51:49 -0500
From: CHAOS
Subject: coming out
Well, let's see...I just came out to my in-laws. Kinda had to explain
why I was divorcing their son.
Took it rather well, I think.
- - Audrey - -
"Got me enough guilt I could
start my own religion..."
- Tori Amos
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:52:05 -0000
From: Suzanne Shmagin
Subject: Burdened in Buffalo Grove
HELLO ALL
Things have become real stressful here (Buffalo Grove, Il.). Finals are coming
up next week, and teachers are piling on the work like crazy! Have they
forgotten that we also have finals to study for? Freshman year in high school
really stinks! And on top of it all, I go to a school where everyone pulls an
"A" average, and your 4.00 doesn't put you at the top of your class. What
competition!
Alright, enough of that.
Today I received some rather disturbing mail from one of my "friends". Even
though he knows that I am Jewish, and a liberal, he sent me an email filled
with hatred Jew/liberal jokes. But that wasn't all--many of them were anti
gay/les/bi/black/etc. It just made me think of all these postings about people
coming out, and I feel so bad that people can't do it without jerks criticizing
and making jokes of them.
I was going to send him a little hate mail of my own, but that would have been
doing the very same thing he has done to me.
Sorry this was such a depressing, pointless post, but I had to get it off my
chest. Sorry that's it's now on yours =(
I'll have something more uplifting and meaningful next time
Sincerely,
Suzanne
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:53:25 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: Re: Help!
Cindy asked: >> I don't
know if I
need someone to reassure me that I did the right thing by telling her, or if
I
need someone to attempt to give an explanation to my mother.<<
The best advice I think I can offer is to direct you and your mom to PFLAG
(Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays). They have many chapters,
probably one in a city near you, and no doubt most parents in the
organization have felt the very things your mom is feeling at the moment.
It's also not at all unusual for more than one sibling in a family to be
gay....so your mom oughtn't be paranoid it's something *she* did. I don't
know the number for PFLAG....anyone?
Good luck,
Joyce
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:34:23 -0800
From: John Miller
Subject: Re[2]: Help!
Cindy Hoeflak wrote of coming out to her mother:
>I don't know if I need someone to reassure me that I did the right thing
>by telling her, or if I need someone to attempt to give an explanation
>to my mother.
Joyce Luck replied:
>The best advice I think I can offer is to direct you and your mom to PFLAG
>(Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays). They have many chapters,
>probably one in a city near you, and no doubt most parents in the
>organization have felt the very things your mom is feeling at the moment.
Excellent advice! PFLAG is a wonderful resource, with 300+ U.S. chapters
and 20+ chapters in non-U.S. locations.
Cindy's email address appears to be in New Zealand (or maybe Cindy just
uses a NZ internet connection)... Cindy, if you *are* in New Zealand,
perhaps some of our New Zealand listers know of local support groups.
I also have the following PFLAG addresses for New Zealand and Australia,
but I cannot verify how current they are:
PFLAG Christchurch PFLAG Castle Hill NSW PFLAG Perth
Christchurch, Post Office Box 1152 Post Office Box 354
New Zealand Castle Hill NSW 2154 Northbridge 6865
Australia W. Australia
612-360-2211 61-9-313-1484
There is also a GLB web-site in New Zealand:
http://nz.com/NZ/Queer/
with a list of support groups at:
http://nz.com/NZ/Queer/groups.html
John Miller
San Jose CA
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 21:03:33 -0500
From: Dawn Kivisto
Subject: Unplugged
Hello fellow MLE freaks. Is it just me, or does it seem like a shame that
MTV has never released Melissa's Unplugged performance? Perhaps if we
flooded MTV with enough emails (and snail mails if necessary), they might get
the idea. Whaddya think?
(Back to the land of lurkdom....it's safer there!)
Dawn
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 00:35:06 -0600
From: Robert W Smith
Subject:
Dawn,
MTV's website has Melissa's Unplugged Video so you can download it to see!
Hope this helps some...
Mandy
(Tell me your heart's desire, one wish, and it's yours)
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:25:31 -0500
From: Tracey Thacker
Subject: I Should Be On Digest (SMEC)
Hi all. . .
Just can't stay on top of my mail lately. I should be on digest, that way it
would make sense for me to respond to a bunch of different things all at
once, but, hindsight is 20/20, or some such. Anyway. . .
[email protected] (Patty Kolakowski) writes:
> Just took a peek at the Official Grammy sight and from what I could see
> Melissa was not nominated to anything. Boo!! What do they know.
That in a year of reasonably impressive efforts from other women in rock (no,
I'm not amongst the "wasn't '96 a bad year in music" bunch) YLS wasn't worth
nominating? Not that I'm all bowled over by yet more Grammy nods toward
Alanis et al, but from the release of YLS, this list has had its members,
reasonably die-hard fans, who have recognized that this offering was not up
to par with Melissa's previous efforts, several of which were Grammy-award
winning, and certainly was not one of the year's best.
> I've become an email junky. I've sent out the following:
> 1. To VH1 suggesting a pop-up video for "I'm the only one".
Doubtful that this will happen since there's already one for "Come To My
Window" and there isn't much usefulness of having two pop-up videos for one
performer. There's only so much information that you can put into the things
without it getting extraneous, and some of the little blurbs in the CTMW
pop-up were just downright silly. If they were to do another, they'd have to
pop up things like "While making the video, Melissa decided to play her
guitar right handed." and "In this video, Melissa has long hair." While
those with a higher obsession level (haven't seen that phrase around here in
a while) might enjoy it, the broader audience of VH-1 might be slightly bored
by that. . . call me nutty for thinking it.
[email protected] (Jenniffer Smith) shared these thoughts regarding our
favorite football team:
> I don't care who plays the Pats ever again...I want their blood! No,
> no, no...not really. Had my Steelers bothered to show up for the game
> (or at least acted as if they'd *played* football before last Sunday), I'm
> sure I'd feel differently *if* the Pats had still come out the
> victors. Maybe. Not. Maybe... Not...
I'm with Jen, and the general manager of the Steelers, Tom Donohoe, who said,
contrary to the opinion of Coach Cowher, that the team was "flat" on Sunday.
Boo. Hiss. And now I must join my brothers and sisters from the
northernlands, don my honorary cheesehead foam hat, and yell "GO PACKERS!"
Uh, the Packers are still in this, right? They're the ones who play at
Lambeau field. . .
Jen also shared this tidbit (worth repeating):
> You can access an on-line preview of Joyce Luck's MLE bio,
> "Melissa Etheridge: Our Little Secret," at
> http://www.ecw.ca/press
I just did. So should all of you. (How's that for an order!?!) Whoowee!
Congrats Miss Joyce, looks you did a heck of a job, as I"m sure we all knew
you would. (Though I think you pulled it off with more panache than most,
being a PSU alum, and I bet Beth Durff would agree, right Beth?) I've never
bought a celebrity bio before, for one reason or another, but I think I might
actually have to plunk down some cash and pick this one up.
[email protected] (Rhondda Ashby) provided us a glimpse into the Bay
Area music mind. . .
> here are KFOG's top 5 choices from their "year in your ear" list:
> 1. melissa etheridge, "your little secret"
> 2. natalie merchant, "tigerlily"
> 3. dave matthews band, "crash"
> 4. tracy chapman, "new beginning"
> 5. sting, "mercury falling"
What a scary, scary list. I really do *have* to visit the Bay Area now, to
get a first hand view of what these folks are thinking. (No offense intended
to any of our lovely BABers, all of whom have proven themselves to be lovely
people of highly refined tastes. )
Rhondda also shared the LA Times review of Melissa's last show, which
included this somewhat contradictory tidbit. . .
> Elated and chatty, Etheridge wasted a lot of time talking
> between songs, slowing the momentum more than once, but
> also helping cultivate more familiarity than you get at the
> average arena show.
Okay, is this double-speak or is it me? Was MLE elated, which is a good
thing, or chatty, which can only be viewed as having a negative connotation
here? Did she waste time talking, slowing the momentum, or did she cultivate
familiarity? Does this reviewer have a problem with arena shows being
"familiar"? Or did she just not care for MLE? Or the material MLE
presented? Am i asking too many questions? Okay, I'll stop now. Oh, btw,
Rhondda - the YCSWID tour reviews are great. Thanks for taking us all on
your journey with you.
Several people have posted regarding the Spanish version of "NTG", something
I'd love to have for my collection. Alas, since it probably won't be
released in the states, though, I'll just have to glean info from those in
the know - is this a direct translation? Or just a general one? My Spanish
isn't as good now as it used to be, but a direct translation of NTG's lyrics
wouldn't fit the melody very easily, as far as I can put them together. . .
informacion, por favor, hispanohablantes?
Lastly, [email protected] (Dawn Kivisto) queried. . .
> Is it just me, or does it seem like a shame that MTV has never released
> Melissa's Unplugged performance? Perhaps if we flooded MTV with
> enough emails (and snail mails if necessary), they might get the idea.
> Whaddya think?
While MTV has to give permission to Unplugged performances to be released
(like Eric Clapton, Mariah Carey and Nirvana, etc. did with great sucess) it
is the artist's record company that has the final decision as to whether or
not an Unplugged performance will make its way to the local record stores in
CD and/or video format. Island, in conjunction with MLE, obviously don't
feel that there is a necessity to make this available. This may be because
the folks at Island are aware that there was, from all reports heard here, a
widely available and pretty high quality bootleg being sold shortly after the
premiere of the show. (That is in no way to be construed as a promotion or
advocation of the production, sale, trade or ownership of bootlegged
copyrighted materials. ) But if you really want an official release of
Melissa Etheridge Unplugged (a little late for it, I would think) the company
that you'd want to "flood" with mail would be Island Records.
Well, that's all, though before I go, I must offer a tip of the cap to John
Miller, just for being himself and being the font of knowledge on all topics.
(New Zealand PFLAG addresses, even. Geez, John, where does your database
end?) I now return you to your regularly scheduled stuff. . .
Feeling her medication kicking in finally and ending just as her sinuses
begin to clear,
Tracey
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:20:41 -0500
From: Joyce Luck
Subject: The Biography-Thang
Good morning, all!
Jen Smith informed the list:
<<> You can access an on-line preview of Joyce Luck's MLE bio,
> "Melissa Etheridge: Our Little Secret," at
> http://www.ecw.ca/press
To which Tracey responded:
>>I just did. So should all of you. (How's that for an order!?!) Whoowee!
Congrats Miss Joyce, looks you did a heck of a job, as I"m sure we all knew
you would. (Though I think you pulled it off with more panache than most,
being a PSU alum, and I bet Beth Durff would agree, right Beth?) I've never
bought a celebrity bio before, for one reason or another, but I think I might
actually have to plunk down some cash and pick this one up.
>>
Awwww, gee . Thanks, Jen, and thanks, Tracey. Yup,
being an ex-Nittany Lion must have something to do with it all, right? ;-)
I'm really surprised (pleasantly, of course! ) and *touched,* really, by
all the email people have been sending me about the book these past few
days...answering mail has been an enormous task recently. Finally, last
night Beth threatened to "smash that computer to smithereens," so I'd
better slow down a bit.....but, lots of people have asked pretty much the
same questions, so I thought maybe I could answer the primary two in one
email to everybody in case others out there still want to know:
1. Publication Date. The book goes to press tomorrow. After it's printed,
it then needs to be shipped to the various distributors. I'd guess it would
be out in Canada in a matter of weeks. The US distributor, however, is Login
Consortium in Chicago, so shipping to Chicago from Canada will be a tad
slower. Then, Login has to warehouse the books and THEN Login has to ship
the books to various bookstores. Consequently Login is saying "March" as the
availability date. I'm pretty sure this is a conservative guess on Login's
part...they will definitely have the books before March. Probably it's their
practice to add some cushion to the date just in case of unforeseen delays.
But the book ought to be available before then....I'd say sometime in Feb.
2. Authorization. Nope. The biography is *not* authorized. Basically I
was told that Leopold Management feels it's too early in Melissa's career for
an authorized bio...after all, Mel's film career is just starting. ;-) It's
much for the same reason a live album hasn't been released...I guess record
companies see those to be kinda like "greatest hits" compilations, which are
typically put out at the perceived "end" of a career. Anyway, I was also
told Melissa has been offered numerous book deals and has turned them all
down. Consequently I was denied access to Melissa as I was researching and
writing the book. Still, I was fortunate...the book does contain "new"
information because I was able to interview some of Melissa's early childhood
friends from Leavenworth, two of her best pals from Berklee, and a whole slew
of folks from her Que Sera days. Plus, there are some pretty rare photos I
was able to find and get permission to use...all of her old yearbook pics, a
couple from 1979-1980, three from 1983-1984.
Well, that's all for now. Thanks again, everybody...now let me get outta
here before my head swells up any bigger than it already is. ;-)
Later,
Joyce
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:42:23 -0500
From: Melissa Ordenes
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 6 Jan 1997 to 7 Jan 1997
Does anyone know if they are showing the NTG spanish video here in the U.S?
I think it might be on MTV Latino.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:01:38 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: cindy/out
To Cindy: IMHO: I think it usually is the "right" thing to come out.
Especially if you care about the relationship, cuz being out is more
honest, and not being out will usually limit the relationship to a
certain level. It's often hard for parents to adjust at first, but
they'll prolly get used to it. About siblings: I have a friend (lesbian)
who has a sister and 2 bro.s, all gay. They grew up in Detroit, she
always attributes it to the drinking water. Take care. -marcy ps
There's always Pflag.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:11:12 EDT
From: Marcy Kunst
Subject: what are they doing?
Kathy wrote:
ML>I thought since this will be kind of a down time as far as current MLE
ML>happenings, etc. that maybe some of you would be interested in posting your
ML>thoughts on what Melissa and Julie are doing right now.
ML>Maybe some of you
ML>actually know what they're up to.
Of course I wonder too. I'll start. Well, I like to think of them
sleeping in together, Melissa cuddled behind Julie, "spooning." But then
again I read somewhere that it's Melissa's job to feed the dogs when
she's home, and isn't that usually an early morning thing? But maybe she
goes back to bed, they lie there talking, thinking of other names for
their kid in case she doesn't appear to be an Austin when she arrives. I
can also imagine them in birthing class together, or would they be done
with that by now? (hee-hee-hoo-hoo, BREATHE). -marcy
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:44:20 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: Help with Coming Out...
Cindy wrote:
>I have one brother, (who's gay also) he's 23, I'm 20. So I
>told my mother the day I arrived back home and she took it
>pretty good, however, she cannot understand that she has
>two kids and that are *both* gay!
First of all...you're very lucky that your mom is pretty much
ok with your disclosure. Not that it's a rarity to have
understanding family members...it's just nicer and a lot
easier when everyone involved is understanding. Congrats
and good wishes for the future!
As for your bro being gay, too, I really don't think that it's all
that uncommon for two or more siblings in one family to be
gay. I have a good friend who is gay and so is her twin
sister, her older sister, and her younger brother! Her older
sister has a daughter who is away at college and they
suspect that she may be gay, also. I've also noticed that
quite often several members of one side of a family will be
gay. Another gay friend's uncle is gay, and he also has
several gay cousins. I don't know for sure if there are any
other members of my family who are gay, but I've often
suspected one of my female cousins...and my grandmother
had a *wicked* shoe fetish! ;-) Homosexuality within families
is further proof, for me anyway, that it's primarily hereditary
and not a 'choice'.
Marcy Kunst added this:
>I have a friend (lesbian) who has a sister and 2 bro.s, all
>gay. They grew up in Detroit, she always attributes it to the
>drinking water.
I attribute my own orientation to the fact that my mother
refused to enter me in beauty contests or let me wear
make-up as a child! Well, that and that fact that I *always*
had the comfiest Keds Sneakers to wear to play in! :-)
jen--who, upon hearing of an impending snow storm,
purchased a window cover to keep the snow and ice off of her
windshield...only to leave said cover folded up on the floor of
the car all night. At least she didn't have to scrape off the
car mats...
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:08:01 -0500
From: Dawn Kivisto
Subject: Re: Help with Coming Out...
I'd just like to add my .02. When I finally came out to my parents (mom is
your basic conservative republican, dad is your basic redneck democrat), my
mom's response was "As long as you're happy"--translation: I don't like it,
but I'll deal with it. My redneck dad's response was "At least you're not a
republican."
In my experience, most parents are pretty accepting about their kids being
gay...although there are exceptions. Most parents don't care if their kids
want to sleep with houseplants, small farm animals (well, okay, that one is a
bit odd), or members of the same sex.
(We now return you to lurkdom, already in progress....)
Dawn
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:13:03 +0000
From: "P. Dengler"
Subject: Rosie in LA
> >3. To Rosie O'Donnell and MEIN to try to reschedule
> >Melissa on Rosie's show.
>
> Definately! It would probably happen sooner if Rosie filmed in
> Cally.
Per L.A. Times yesterday, Jan. 8:
"The Rosie O'Donnell Show" is coming to LA...at Universal Studios on
Feb. 17 to 21 and 24 to 26. Close to 1,000 seats will be available for
each show, but producers have yet to settle on a way to distribute
tickets. Likewise, O'Donnell's guests for the stand are still to be
announced.
Looks like it might happen sooner than later!
pd
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:37:47 GMT
From: Maggie at avalon
Subject: Unplugged
>[email protected] (Dawn Kivisto) queried. . .
>
>> Is it just me, or does it seem like a shame that MTV has never released
>> Melissa's Unplugged performance? Perhaps if we flooded MTV with
>> enough emails (and snail mails if necessary), they might get the idea.
>> Whaddya think?
Tracy answered:
>While MTV has to give permission to Unplugged performances to be released
>(like Eric Clapton, Mariah Carey and Nirvana, etc. did with great sucess) it
>is the artist's record company that has the final decision as to whether or
>not an Unplugged performance will make its way to the local record stores in
>CD and/or video format. Island, in conjunction with MLE, obviously don't
>feel that there is a necessity to make this available. This may be because
>the folks at Island are aware that there was, from all reports heard here, a
>widely available and pretty high quality bootleg being sold shortly after the
>premiere of the show. (That is in no way to be construed as a promotion or
>advocation of the production, sale, trade or ownership of bootlegged
>copyrighted materials. ) But if you really want an official release of
>Melissa Etheridge Unplugged (a little late for it, I would think) the company
>that you'd want to "flood" with mail would be Island Records.
I seem to remember reading about this in an MLE interview, although I don't
remember where/when. I think the feeling was that the release would
conflict with YLS, or force her to postpone the release of YLS. I seriously
doubt that the existence of a high-quality bootleg would deter Island from
releasing the Unplugged performance - if anything it would push them to do
it to undermine the bootleg sales. Who knows, maybe we might still see it
released during MLE's "vacation," when it won't cut into sales of a new
studio album, and would keep her somewhat in the limelight.
Maggie
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:14:03 -0500
From: "Deborah D. Jones"
Subject: Re: MLETHER Digest - 7 Jan 1997 to 8 Jan 1997
Good Morning!
First, let me wish everyone a Happy New Year.
Unfortunately, I am better at lurking than I am writing. But...I enjoy
reading all of your entries! You guys are the best. I took a break from
lurking to ask for your assistance. On January 5th of this year I bought a
new horse. She is a 7 year old Norwegian Fjord (don't ask). She is bucksin
in color- so of course we have been calling her 'Bucky'. I'll probably keep
that for a nickname but I need a show name.
I thought all of you out there are creative. It would be great if it could
be something to do with Melissa. I briefly thought of calling her 'Melissa
Etheridge'. NO. Too obvious.
So.......if you're not to busy, I would appreciate suggestions. Well,
thanks again.
Also, I would like to ask if there are any other listers in Delaware besides
me. If you are, you're very quiet. It gets lonely out here! Let me hear
from you.
Thanks again, everyone!
Deb (BeachDeb) :):)
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:31:55 -0500
From: Tracey Thacker
Subject: Re: Unplugged
In this continuing commentary on MTV Unplugged, [email protected] (Maggie at
avalon) writes:
> I seriously doubt that the existence of a high-quality bootleg would deter
> Island from releasing the Unplugged performance - if anything it would
> push them to do it to undermine the bootleg sales.
It depends, largely, I suppose, on Island's corporate philosophy regarding
boots. I know from my experience as a fan of Duran Duran and XTC that some
record companies will pull these "special" projects because of boots. Duran
fans have lost two special releases, Unplugged and a B-sides project in the
past year, because Capitol didn't see the advantage of official releases
after the boots had gotten, in their opinion, to every fan and their grandma.
Same thing happened with XTC's "Unreleased" project. (I don't know what
record label they are/were with, though).
Which brings me to a point, we know that MLE has stated that she doesn't have
a real problem with boots, she feels that its a compliment that people care
enough to go to the trouble, I guess. But do we know if the issue has ever
been addressed via Island or MEIN?
Information sources, on your marks, get ready, go!
Tracey. still on medication, still needing it.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:34:56 -0500
From: Jill Barry
Subject: Re: Congrats Joyce
In a message dated 1/8/97 6:31:58 PM, [email protected] (Gwen Shinko)
wrote:
<>
I would be surprised if they, the largest G & L bookstore in DC *didn't*
carry it...they carry bios (authorized & unauthorized) on some other
singer/artist/lesbian from Canada...
Or, we can Macarena right over to Lammas Women's Books across the way... :)
Congrats Joyce!
Jill
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:53:00 -0800
From: Rhondda Ashby
Subject: 1997 concerts, joyce's book, cameras at concerts, NTG, etc.
Melbournite Margo Hellyer
said:
>Roaming Rhondda
LOL!
>1997 is looking good already with Laurie Anderson, Patti
>Smith and Bruce Springsteen coming up in the next few
>days/months.
lucky, lucky you! i'll let john opine about laurie, but i recently
saw patti for the first time at the 1996 bridge school benefit
(all acoustic). she was amazing! i've always been fascinated
by her (perhaps in part due to gilda radner's parody of her on
SNL ) and recognized her influential role in (punk) rock
music, but i never got around to seeing her in concert or
buying any of her music until now. i'm hoping that she does
another u.s. leg, 'cause i'll go see her for sure.
as for bruce: i saw 2 TGOTJ shows - 1995 berkeley and
1996 steinbeck research center benefit at san jose state -
and they were both *incredible*, especially the latter (of
course that could have been due to my front row seats, but
that's another matter entirely ). quite a bit different ride
than his rocker days of the 70's and 80's (and early 90's), but
a very meaningful one nevertheless.
i hope you enjoy the shows!
===============
Gwen Shinko said:
>Way to go Joyce!!! I checked out the ECW website and
>now I can't wait to buy a copy of your book.
me neither! :-)
>So when will you be in D.C. to promote it? I'm sure the
>D.C. Metro-area Macarena Listers will be the first in line to
>have our copies autographed.
well, if you're going to do a nationwide promotional tour,
joyce, you *must* be sure to include the bay area on your
itinerary! just think, you can write those lewd comments
you promised in my copy of your book in person. ;-)
and if that doesn't convince you to stop by the bay area,
nothing will!
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M Something said:
>As already reported, I was surprised with how lax security
>was at the Ice Palace in Tampa. My friend Jackie stuffed
>two cameras down the front of her shirt only to find out after
>entering the venue that they weren't even checking at all.
>As far as I know, no one had trouble taking pictures during
>the show either.
my experience was similar to michelle's. i didn't actually get
the nerve to sneak my (disposable) camera in until the SD
show. they checked my purse, but didn't do a pat down.
during the 3rd set, i noticed many snapping away, so i joined
in. i was standing about 2 people in front of a security guard,
who didn't say a thing to me (although he did speak to the
woman behind me, who was using a real camera). weird...
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Tracey Thacker said in response to
KFOG's "year in your ear" list:
>What a scary, scary list. I really do *have* to visit the Bay
>Area now, to get a first hand view of what these folks are
>thinking.
while this is KFOG's list, it probably isn't indicative of what's
really popular in SF. even though KFOG is a top-10 station
in the area (the last time i saw the ratings), i'd say that urban
contemporary or modern rock/"alternative" music is probably
what's hot in this area right now.
>(No offense intended to any of our lovely BABers, all of
>whom have proven themselves to be lovely people of highly
>refined tastes. )
good save, trace! spoken like a true lawyer...