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etheridge-digest Thursday, May 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 056
*etheridge* introducing..me
*etheridge* Ellen & other flicks
*etheridge* Rosie/bootlegs/Ellen
Re: *etheridge* MLE on Ellen
*etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
*etheridge* Cologne bootleg
*etheridge* Ellen ep on Dutch tv
Re: *etheridge* NMEC
*etheridge* MLE and ellen
*etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
RE: *etheridge* MLE and ellen
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
*etheridge* Breathing Easy...
Re: *etheridge* MLE and ellen
*etheridge* MLE and Ellen
Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
*etheridge* Ellen - how far behind are we?
RE: *etheridge* MLE and ellen -Reply
*etheridge* Glimpse of Melissa & Julie on Hard Copy
*etheridge* ellen and MLE - today's cybersleaze
Re: *etheridge* Just too fired up!
*etheridge* Ellen
Re: *etheridge* Melissa clip on OPRAH!!! -Reply
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:23:47 -0700
From: Karen Ahlavadi
Subject: *etheridge* introducing..me
hey groovers,
just thought I'd take this oportunity to introduce myself to this list
since I've been lurking in the back ground for a while:-)
o.k I'm from Australia and of course am a huge fan of MLE, also we've
been getting a lot of hype about the ELLEN episode but I have no idea
when we will ever get it shown here...for those interested I've been
informed that JOAN JETT is appearing on May 7 on ELLEN doing the title
song, there is a photo at
http://www.paston.com.uk/blackheart/joanjett/late.html
I don't know when I'll get to see that either, living this far away is a
pain..anyways nice to meet you all looking forward to hearing more about
MLE doing the movie on Janis Joplin, how cool a living idol portraying a
past idol....cya later...riotgrrl
p.s anyone is welcome to personally email me if interested.
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen & other flicks
Haven't had time to post here in ages, but wanted to say that MLE was GREAT
in last night's Ellen! I want *MY* toaster oven! Short, but very
hilarious. Also thought the little blues thing she and Ellen did, which
aired on yesterday's Oprah was great.
>From: "carole walker"
>Subject: Re: *etheridge* 'Heavenly Creatures' & 'Sister my Sister' & 'Mr.
Wrong' i saw HC and read the book (one is based on the other..not sure
>which came first, but the book was better) and also saw 'sister my
>sister'. both of these movies were very intense.. but i appreciated
>that they were intense and a little 'off-center' that's about all i
>can say about them...they were intense.
Yikes..you've picked out two of my *least* favs of all movies with dyke
content. Not knowing the story beforehand, we were watching HC..thought it
was great..then BAM it turned into some horror flick. Not exactly my
favorite image of lesbianism. I didn't expect Sister My Sister to be
'normal' and wasn't too suprised when it took a turn for the worse . I'd
recommend Salmonberries with kd, Go Fish, Incredibly True Adventures, or
Bound. Especially Bound..jeesh, they should have gotten at least a
nomination for *something*!
Toni
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 05:47:34 PDT
From: "Susan Christopher"
Subject: *etheridge* Rosie/bootlegs/Ellen
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>> Friday, May 2:
>>> Indigo Girls on Rosie Odonnel (time???can't remember)
>
>Rosie's show is syndicated. Different markets get it at different
>times on different networks, if at all.
>
>Tracey wrote:
>
>>> and yet sales of a "b-sides" bootleg of my favorite band were a
>>> direct and mentioned reason that the band's record company has now
>>> refused to release an officials b-sides compilation that was in the
>>> works.
>
>This may have been the album I was thinking of. Now what band was
>I thinking of?
>
>>> Take a look at the Unplugged releases thus far - they have
> |
>>> They have won Grammy awards (Eric Clapton)
>
>And in Clapton's case was released very soon after the show in an
>attempt to beat the bootleggers.
>
>>> and spawned tours (Rod Stewart).
>
>I saw that tour! I love Rod Stewart...well, not physically. He does
>have great legs though.
>
>>> and YLS would've been overlooked by the casual fan/consumer who
>>> would've chosen the "familiar" territory of the older music
>>> featured on the Unplugged compilation.
>
>Unless they were new fans in which case they'd buy (or had already
>bought) YLS and wouldn't buy "Unplugged" (not familiar, just bought an
>album by ME).
>
>>> But there is a MAJOR difference. Bootlegs ignore the copyrights
>>> and legal protections that artists have in regard to their music.
>
>True. But the artist has a right to make money off their likeness
>(and maybe even off their life story) - the photographers whose work
>appeared in the book may have gotten paid for their photos but once
>they were published/distributed, ME should have gotten paid too.
>However, I'll bow to your knowledge in this area - you are, after all,
>a member of *that* sleazy profession. ;-)
>
>>> And lets not forget royalty agreements -
>
>Some of the bootleg companies apparently deposit money into a (Swiss?)
>bank account for the artists. To date, none have collected.
>
>>> if Melissa released an autobiography, or an authorized biography
>>> that was written with her full cooperation appeared on the market,
>>> I'm sure that fans who would buy the unauthorized tale would likely
>>> buy the "real" version, to see how they compare.
>
>That's the same argument people who buy bootlegs use.
>
>Joyce Stoliar asked:
>
>>> So was mine the only Ellen Show where Melissa didn't sing the
>>> intro???
>
>Yes, it was. On mine, she sang "You Can Sleep While I Drive",
>coincidentally my favourite song. On Deb's she sang "Keep it
>Precious".
>
>>> Man am I bummed!!!
>
>So was Deb. She doesn't like "Keep it Precious".
>
>;-)
>
>Susan
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:31:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* MLE on Ellen
[email protected] asked: <>
That's the rumor that's flying on the AOL boards right now....that perhaps
the "cut" opener will appear at the beginning of next week's show. I have no
idea if there's any truth to this! LOL I will ask around and see what I can
find out.
For those who didn't see Oprah yesterday, a clip of Ellen and Melissa singing
Ellen's "Coming Out Blues Song" was shown; it was pretty funny. I'm assuming
this was the same "opening" song clip as was cut from last night's show--??
(Dave, this must have been the bit you heard the rumor about!) :-)
See ya,
Joyce<----donning her "snooping" suit and setting out on an expedition
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:43:46
From: Jill of the Jungle
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
I've spent the last several years trying to figure out whether I'm straight
or bisexual. Last year I had an affair with a wonderful friend of mine
named Sarah, which you'd think would have decided the issue, but instead it
only confused me more. Instead of giving myself time to sort out who I
was, I got involved with a wonderful man named Grant, and decided it wasn't
important to know whether I'm straight or bi. I was with Grant for the six
most beautiful months of my life, but when it ended I was back where I was
at the beginning of the school year, trying to figure out who I am. Part
of me has been denying that I'm bisexual. I felt exactly like Ellen did...
"I'll show you who's gay!" But after the show last night I said, "The hell
with it, this is who I am" and finally accepted myself. YES!!! I FINALLY
HAVE A SEXUAL ORIENTATION!!!! HIP HIP HOORAY!!! :)
OK, so this wasn't a complete celebration. When I'm not at school, I live
in the second most conservative district in the nation. My parents are
both homophobic. This is going to be my last summer living at home if I
can possibly manage it, and I can't afford to come out to my parents... my
father would kick me out of the house or beat me up... (unfortunately, I am
not exaggerating... this is what he did the first and last time I told my
parents I suspected I was not straight) Thankfully, I have some wonderful
friends, one of the best of whom is the abovementioned ex-boyfriend Grant.
He took it amazingly well, but then, I knew he would. He's one of the few
people I can trust completely, and that trust isn't misplaced *at all*. No
stupid hetero comments like "did I do something to turn you bi??" Didn't
even ask me "are you sure??" He just talked to me until I fell asleep and
helped me tremendously. If only all the people I'm around were like him.
I also came out to my friend Maria, whose response was "Didn't I know that
already?" :) So, I guess this won't be as much of a shock to everyone as I
thought...
This is a tough and unyielding world we live in. As I told Grant last
night, it would be very easy for me to pretend I'm straight. And I would
fit in better, and no one would hate me for it. I've been doing it all my
life. I *do* like men. I'm obsessed with a male friend of mine who lives
in NY. It would be easier on my parents and my family and some of my
friends. But it's not the truth. I believe life is based on honesty and
respect, and perhaps if I choose the former I will give up the latter from
many people, but I will have respect for myself.
For Andy Lippincott and Mark Slackmeyer, :)
Anjela
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:26:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
Hi Jill,
I don't know about you, but why does there have to be a label on
everything man who care gay, straight, bi. The only thing that does
matter is that the persons involved care for each other thats what
matters most. So that is my .02 worth so I will step off my pill box now.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:48:47 +0200
From: Satsanga
Subject: *etheridge* Cologne bootleg
At 04:01 30-04-97 -0600 "Patty Kolakowski wrote:
>Subject: *etheridge* bootlegs
>
>Hi,
>
>want them. On one bootleg I have, I think it's the "Witch Queen of
>Cologne", she hollers out "This is going to make a great bootleg".
I have that bootleg as well, and is it just me or doesn't it sound right?
While listening to the cd, especially the first one, i have the feeling
there are some false notes. Or something, anyway it doesn't sound right to
me. The bootleg from Rotterdam 1996 sounds so much better (same concert).
Just wanted to get it of my chest! BTW, in a local tabloid it was mentioned
that Melissa used "One" by Calvin Klein. Anyone knows more about this?
Should be great, because that's my fragrance as well! ;)
Greez,
Satsanga
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As we enter the dark I beseech you to try
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So take care my love my friend
Keep it Precious"
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:09:24 +0200
From: Satsanga
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen ep on Dutch tv
A question to the Dutch listers out there: does anyone know when the Ellen
ep will be on tv? According to the Veronica tv-guide it will be somewhere
in May...
Anyone have a clue?
Satsanga
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So take care my love my friend
Keep it Precious"
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:37:40 -0500
From: "carole walker"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC
that's a GREAT start..congratulations on telling your friend.
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To: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 10:43 PM
Morning Melisters!
Here's hoping a lot more people will "wake up from the American
Dream"
tonight!
Go Ellen!
jill
I woke up from the "American Dream" a few months ago. I have been in
the
closet, and hiding from my straight friends, praying for the
"American
Dream". After watching Ellen's show tonight, I told my first friend
that I
am gay. It is a start. :)
sleigh
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:17:49 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* MLE and ellen
hey all!
great show last night! MLE's bit during the ending credits was a
hoot. one funny thing i noticed was that she got a little frenetic
stamping all of the pages (the 1st page twice!), which i think
added to the humor of the situation - did anyone else notice that
she stamped the clipboard at the end? ;-)
for their daily "request-o-rama" (answer trivia question and get
song request of your choice), KFOG asked the name of the song
("chill out") and the artist who performed it (john lee hooker) that
susan was playing in her hotel room. the guy who won ended
up requesting "chill out" as his prize.
hmmm....wondering if the fact that john miller and i saw john lee
hooker in concert last week means anything? ;-)
*rhondda*
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:40:15 EDT
From: "Jane Vaughn"
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
Hey Gang!
I think closet doors are swinging wide open all over the place today!
I walked up front in th eoffice to chat and this girl asked me if I
watched "Ellen" last night and whe I said yes she said: So is there
anything you would like to tell your friends here at work today?
I just smiled and said nothing you don't already know!
I think there are people who are so free today that they have that
feeling in their hearts you get when you take that leap out of the
playground swings!
I love the T-shirt that reads A Bigot Isn't Born It Is Made.
If we watch children at play we see they know no barriers and want only
to give those wet, sloppy, mouth wide-opened kisses and hug you.
Love seems so simple when you are young.
It seems we adults have to make it difficult with rules and boundaries.
I say let's all go out and roll down the hillside and dance and blow
bubbles and make daisy crowns for us all to wear in our hair and in doing
so we can teach others to live and love again.
So next time you are swinging on the playground and the breeze is
blowing in your face and you just keep getting higher and higher I say
let go and take a leap and feel once again the freedom you lost in your
childhood and then stand up and cheer because you have won!
You have regained your innocense and landed on your feet and no one can
ever take it back away from you again.
Much Warmth
And Love,
"POOH"
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:36:14 -0400
From: "Renee Sweeney"
Subject: RE: *etheridge* MLE and ellen
Rhondda said:
>"...hmmm....wondering if the fact that john miller and i saw john lee
hooker in concert last week means anything? ;-)..."
If we guess and get the right answer, do we get a toaster oven?
Ellen ROCKED last night! I *do* wish MLE's opening had been on, though.
Just wanted to say "hey" to everyone- HEY EVERYONE! and make a
smart-aleck reply to Rhondda's question- I'll go back to lurking now.
Take care y'all and keep the faith-
Renee' (in Dallas, happy that it's only 4 more days till vacation! YES!)
Love & Stuff to PattESueDLizEJudEAngELaurelB & the best girl ever-
Matty...
>
>
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:33:18 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: Coming out...
Jill of the Jungle wrote:
> I believe life is based on honesty and
> respect, and perhaps if I choose the former I will give up the latter from
> many people, but I will have respect for myself.
So, SO well said....I came out to the biggest homophobe at my workplace
today...We've known each other for 15 years...when I was finished, she
actually apologized to me for anything hateful she may have said about
gays in the past. I told her I would rather educate her, than hate
her...Ellen and Melissa have given me strength.
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"It does not matter who you love, but that you love,
for in the end the act of loving anyone is the act of loving God."
funny...I always seem to fall in love with the straight grrls...
Keep it Precious, 'cause I Will Never be the Same- M. Etheridge
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 03:28:31 +0000
From: Jill Borden/ Jill Bateman
Subject: *etheridge* Breathing Easy...
Doesn't it seem that there is a collective sigh of joy and relief?
Not to steal a quote or anything, but maybe the truth is setting us
free after all. Maybe I'm being a little sappy after last night and
after reading my overloaded mail box...does anyone else have this
dizzying optimism about...jeez, I can hardly write it!! Acceptance.
I'm reminded of an incident a few months back. I was in the hospital
having surgury on a blood vessel in my head and my partner was there
every moment of the day and long into the night. When she finally
had
to go, my nurse who was old and very frail and bent over with
arthritis, said "you've very fortunate to have someone that loves you
so much."
I had been very worried that Jill wouldn't be able to stay in the
room
- which added to the stress of coming out of a nasty surgury. But
there wasn't any predjudice in that room that night.
There was peace and love and acceptance...and the healing power of
truth.
You know, people say that Ellen coming out was no big deal, that it
was overblown and there's plenty of gays on tv and yadah, yadah...but
this was different. People learn from example. I think people are
finding courage and learning about the comfort that comes from the
truth.
Well, for Melissa content....Wasn't she a doll!!!!! She should be a
movie star. : )
By the way, it was wonderful meeting so many of you at the Broadway
Market party in Seattle.
Blessings,
jill (the bateman one)
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:25:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* MLE and ellen
Rhondda wrote:
>great show last night! MLE's bit during the ending credits was a
>hoot. one funny thing i noticed was that she got a little frenetic
>stamping all of the pages (the 1st page twice!), which i think
>added to the humor of the situation - did anyone else notice that
>she stamped the clipboard at the end? ;-)
YES!! I thought it was the table, actually.
>for their daily "request-o-rama" (answer trivia question and get
>song request of your choice), KFOG asked the name of the song
>("chill out") and the artist who performed it (john lee hooker) that
>susan was playing in her hotel room. the guy who won ended
>up requesting "chill out" as his prize.
You mean that YOU didn't win??? Rhondda, you're slipping. :)
Speaking of the show, I was quite surprised that my local affiliate was one
of the stations to carry the HRC ad. Plus, they showed Oprah after the
local news (made for some very interesting remote-juggling, with IG on
Letterman and Heche on Leno...) which was amazingly good luck because my
power went out and wiped out my VCR program during the day.
Maggie
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:34:24 -0900 (PDT)
From: Vanessa Willock
Subject: *etheridge* MLE and Ellen
Woman o' Woman. Melissa did definately look good last night. The skit
at the end of Ellen was hilarious, and yes, I did notice she stamped the
clipboard. I, like the rest of my very full household at the time, was
VERY disappointed at the edit out of the opening scene with MLE. I've
heard they may use it next week. Any truth to that??
As for THE show, I feel it was very well written, and absolutely
hilarious. There wasn't a dry eye in my home during the airport scene.
What I witnessed last night was truly historical. I knew I was watching
a T.V. show, but Ellen was making a very REAL statement. The moment she
said "I'm Gay", on network television, I felt deep in my soul that "I
WILL NEVER BE THE SAME." Good or bad, life will never be the same for
the gay community after last night. I happen to believe it will change
for the better - I hope so.
To all reading this, peace, love, truth, and health:)
Vanessa
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:58:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
Hey POOH,
Gosh POOH you have way with words. True bigots are made pretty sad huh.
I have a couple of relatives who are fighting if they should come out or
not a few family members kinda knows, but they don't want to ostersized
over their sexual preference. As for myself about the situation I don't
care either way they will always be part of the family.
Play sfe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:58:00 +1200
From: "Adrienne Mora (Oldmail)"
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen - how far behind are we?
Hi there
Here in New Zealand Ellen has just started again and I was wondering how
far behind we are. I can't wait to the the show you all just watched!!
The one we just had was when she sold 'buythebook' to buy a house.
are we far behind?
ade
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:13:46 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: RE: *etheridge* MLE and ellen -Reply
"Renee Sweeney" said:
>>"...hmmm....wondering if the fact that john miller and i saw
>john lee hooker in concert last week means anything? ;-)..."
>
>If we guess and get the right answer, do we get a toaster oven?
>
LOL! considering *i* don't even know what it signifies, i'd say
just give it your best shot...
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Maggie 05/01/97 03:25pm> wrote:
>>did anyone else notice that
>>she stamped the clipboard at the end? ;-)
>
>YES!! I thought it was the table, actually.
i'm pretty sure she stamped the clipboard, since the clipboard is
red (?) and the table is natural wood, not to mention that MLE
would have had to pick up the clipboard to stamp the table.
>You mean that YOU didn't win??? Rhondda, you're slipping. :)
LOL! well, i thought i'd give some of the peasants a chance to
win for a change. :-)
time to dust off my sceptor...
*rhondda*
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:17:17 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Glimpse of Melissa & Julie on Hard Copy
While flipping through the channels, I caught the end of a segment on
Hard Copy regarding
the various Ellen coming out festivities. I was
about to switch channels when I caught a glimpse of Melissa and Julie=1B
holding hands and walking into what appeared to be a party. Just
before they appeared, the commentator stated something about
individuals gathering to show support for E=1Bllen. Did anyone catch
this segment on Hard Copy? As always, ME and JC looked adorable
together.
As for the Ellen episode, I thought it was hysterical, especially
Melissa's scene. She's
just so precious .....she's enough to make this
straight woman contemplate switching teams.
Wait ...... did I just write that???? Of course,
I'm only kidding.......or am I :)
Slippy (who while doing her spring cleaning better not forget to clean
out her closet) (jk)
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:16:22 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* ellen and MLE - today's cybersleaze
from today=27s CYBERSLEAZE,=20
http://metaverse.com/vibe/sleaze/sleaze.05-01-97.html:
>Meanwhile, ELLEN=27s big =22Coming Out=22 episode last night >scored a =
big commercial hit. According to ABC executives, last
>night=27s episode pulled in more than half its normal audience,
>scoring a 26.5 rating and a 37 share. It also proved to be a big
>reason for everyone to party-hearty as there were over 1,500 >separate =
=22Hey She=27s Really a Lesbo=21=21=22 parties in LA alone last
>night. I myself just parked it on my couch with a few, ya know
>GAY friends and a some smokables, but I must admit to almost
>falling off the aforementioned couch when DWIGHT YOAKIM
>uttered the line, =22Can I help you put those bags into your gay
>car?=22 and I also thought that KD LANG=27s send-up of the crunchy,
>dykey folk singer was pretty hysterical. The show was actually
>(for the first time in a while*) pretty darn funny all around, so
>good on them. Meanwhile, the Lesbo of the month has also
>done the obligatory, =22Welcome to Being a Lesbian=22 move and
>has written a song with (you guessed it*) lesbian songwriter
>MELISSA ETHERIDGE. Surprisingly, however, she decided to
>singing the blues. DeGeneres has penned ELLEN MORGAN
>COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET BLUES, accompanied by=20
>ETHERIDGE on the guitar. She crooned, =22I=27ll tell you Melissa, I
>thought about it...I finally figured what the hell, I might as well
>do it, I mean look at you, it didn=27t hurt you. It didn=27t hurt KD =
>=5BLANG=5D, it didn=27t hurt MARTINA =5BNAVRATILOVA=5D that=27s all, =
that=27s
>done it.=22 You go, baby. Now try and stay funny, ok???
i think the ratings figure is a typo - i think it should have read that =
the show =22pulled in more than twice its normal audience=22 instead of =
=22more than half=22.
*rhondda*
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 20:41:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Just too fired up!
In a message dated 97-05-01 13:44:21 EDT, you write:
<< a lot of gay people drive Jeeps! >>
gee....around here (Seattle) most of the gay and lesbian community seems to
drive Hondas....
just one of my useless random babblings....
Dawn
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 20:05:06 -0500
From: [email protected] (chris haddy)
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen
Hey all,
I wanted to get people's opinion on something that I have been
thinking about. I am a little confused about why last night's Ellen
episode was turned into such an event. I realize it was a big deal, but
why was that episode blown up so much considering the fact that there are a
number of gay characters on TV shows now. Off the top of my head I come up
with Mad About You, Spin City, Melrose Place - even the Simpson's had an
episode revolving around a gay character. I understand that Ellen is the
first lead character to be gay, but the characters on the other shows are
still pretty prominent, so that seems like semantics to me. A friend
suggested that it was because the was the first episode that was billed as
a "coming out" episode - whereas on, say, Mad About You, the character came
out amidst other things.
I have one other question. While I do believe that much good will
come with all these gay characters on TV, but does anyone think that maybe
the reason they are put on these shows is because it seems to be the "in"
thing to do? I am not sure if I believe this, but it is something that I
have been pondering. I suppose the follow-up question to that is, does it
matter what the TV producers motivations are as long as good comes out it?
Just some recent thoughts and questions that I wanted to share.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Melissa clip on OPRAH!!! -Reply
I
You are right!!! And we missed it because we taped IG instead, and didn't
even realize it was the same night. I got the info off of the NBC schedule
the week before and they must have bumped her up a night when they found out
they would be on Oprah that day together. Bummer...
Anyone see it??? How was she?
Michelle
i think anne's on the leno show *tonight*. at least, that's what my
"spotlight" email (http://www.merc.com) and the nbc.com
schedule listed. >>
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etheridge-digest Friday, May 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 057
Re: *etheridge* NMEC HRC ad
Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
*etheridge* Like the Way I Do...
Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
*etheridge* Re: It's a Start...
*etheridge* hrc ad?
*etheridge* ellen's coming out show
*etheridge* Just checking in...
*etheridge* Ellen
*etheridge* That Butch Ellen
*etheridge* Ellen, again
*etheridge* PNW visit comes to a close
*etheridge* Ellen Show
*etheridge* out of it:(
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:57:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC HRC ad
This made me wonder....for all of us who were fortunate enough to have this
commercial played in our area, wouldn't it be interesting to hear the towns
that did play it and those that did not? I'll start. Me and my g/f live in
Austin Texas and they did air the HRC ad here, but didn't air the lesbian
cruise line ad that was supposedly played. Also, we had a Jetta commercial
with two men (obviously lovers) who were lost (or just cruising around) and
driving around for ever. Who else????? Other "gay" commercials???
Michelle
In a message dated 97-05-01 21:02:21 EDT, [email protected] writes:
<< Speaking of the show, I was quite surprised that my local affiliate was
one
of the stations to carry the HRC ad. Plus, they showed Oprah after the
local news (made for some very interesting remote-juggling, with IG on
Letterman and Heche on Leno...) which was amazingly good luck because my
power went out and wiped out my VCR program during the day.
>>
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
**Short message here**
GO POOH!!!!! When I was at the office today, I kept trying to find someone
who didn't know I was a lesbian, so I could just tell it again. I was on a
major high today. Everytime a lesbian came in to my office today, we shared a
triumphant look together, along with a few "boy was so and so a babe last
night" comments. I feel invigorated!!! What a major difference her doing
that for us made. i have a good feeling that alot more people will show their
tru colors now.
In a message dated 97-05-01 20:24:22 EDT, [email protected]
(Jane Vaughn) writes:
<< So next time you are swinging on the playground and the breeze is
blowing in your face and you just keep getting higher and higher I say
let go and take a leap and feel once again the freedom you lost in your
childhood and then stand up and cheer because you have won!
>>
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:56:48 +0800
From: mardi
Subject: *etheridge* Like the Way I Do...
Hey, we have a competition going on here at the moment where you have to
guess the 'mystery moos'...yes you got it, famous people mooing like
cows..and you win $10,000. Well it's getting very close because they have
given away 4 of the 5 and now as we sit here and wait for the next chance to
ring in..the song you got to hear is 'Like the Way I do' by Melissa, of
course, and we think we have the last one...now, wouldn't that be ironic?
Mardi
The Velvet Janes
(http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/7848/
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:50:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Kelley Rae Brock
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: Swinging Open
HEY EVERYONE!
I would just like to say that the ELLEN show last night was grrrreat!
I would also like to say I am GAY! I just wanted to start my adveneter
of comeing out of the closet. Some peolpe already know but it is time to
tell the family, any advice? I really would like to hear from everyone,
but please be nice. Remember we are all in this together and if we don't
stick together(actually that sounds like fun) then we can not over come
the hatered.
PEACE to all!
Thanks,
Kelley
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:52:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: It's a Start...
I'm glad "Ellen" has influenced you enough to be who you are. You are not a
lone. Angela
Thank you very much. I feel such a relief and pressure off of my shoulder.
When I told my friend, it was on an IM over the internet. Kind of cheesy.
So, we went out tonight. He was really cool with the whole thing. We went
to a party where a band was playing 70's and 80's music. they played "you
dropped the bomb on me". He leaned over and said, that is what you did, "you
dropped the bomb on me." But, I got to tell you. I feel so good! Thank you
guys sooooo much.
sleigh
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:01:58 -0500
From: "carole walker"
Subject: *etheridge* hrc ad?
commercial played in our area, wouldn't it be interesting to hear the
towns
that did play it and those that did not? I'll start. Me and my g/f
live in
Austin Texas and they did air the HRC ad here, but didn't air the
lesbian
the hrc commercial did not air on the charlotte nc station
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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:12:41 +600
From: "Cammy Findley"
Subject: *etheridge* ellen's coming out show
Hello friends,
It's nice to hear that everyone enjoyed the Ellen coming out show.
I don't know why they cut Melissa's singing out, but that is o.k. at
least she was on the show. Anyway, I missed the show because I was
at work. I was wondering if anyone taped it and would be willing to
send me a copy. I don't have much money but I would be willing to
pay shipping and handling and tape cost. Thank you.
Cammy
the Goddess of Fire, Ice, and Love.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:21:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Just checking in...
Hello...
I just wanted to say hello and let you all know that I am moving on Sunday.
I'm moving to Cambridge, MA... If there are any MA Listers out there...
E-mail me! :)
I'll be off line for about a week... Take care and I'll miss reading the
list... :( Hope I don't miss too much...
I LOVED the "Ellen" show last night... I rewound the part with Melissa 10
times this morning... Can that woman be any cuter... LOL...
Okay, off to bed for me... More dreams of cardboard and bubble wrap, oh
joy...
Peace,
Kiva
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:32:13 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen
Well, I walked a bit taller today, head up, shoulders back. I walked a
little lighter today, feet don't touch the floor. And aalll the girls
were looking at me, wondering "Is she one? She's cute!" -marcy
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:34:32 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* That Butch Ellen
I have always had a hard time remembering Ellen is "butch." Her
character is too, y'know, nerdy. But I take back all I've said in this
regard...after seeing her throw Richard into bed (etc). ;-7 -marcy
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:48:58 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen, again
Jeez, scattered thoughts tonite. I, too, noticed Melissa stamp the
clipboard. And ya can kinda tell she realized it, too, and kinda
hesitated and went ooo, then went right on. She's so cute. I loved that
Ellen said "Yes, I Am" to Melissa. After the Time magazine cover, I
wondered if Melissa might now sing that song as "Yep, I am." Doesn't
quite ring the same, tho, does it?
MANY people were talking about the whole toaster joke-line today.
I also thought maybe the local station missed the opening song. Or that
at our party we were yakking too much to ralize the show had begun (when
I got home I rewound mine on the vcr, nope it wasn't on my version
either). Even my gf, who is not the maniac I am, was bummed Melissa
wasn't there.
BTW, I love softball, but was GLAD when our softball game got rained out
last night...so I could go to an Ellen party instead!!! YAY, what
fun. -marcy
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* PNW visit comes to a close
Whew! What a week! I had a great visit with SueD in from New York, Barb down
from Canada & all my great local friends. I also got a chance to meet some
new ones which is always good. I don't think I could've asked for a much
better week. OK...so I could've had a lot more sleep today. I think we all
got to bed somewhere around 3am & then had to get up at 5:15 to get Sue to
the airport & Barb back on the road. I was only able to get another couple
hours sleep before heading off to work for a 10 hour shift. I am *beat*
tonight. It was all worth it though! Thanks mostly to Sheri, our Ellen party
was a great success last night. Thanks to everyone that made it. I don't know
how the rest of you felt but I walked around today with my head held up just
a little bit more than normal. I must say though I'm a little tired of all my
friends at work asking me if I've earned my toaster yet. ;)
Susan (Yep...I'm a Jeep driver)
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 00:38:36 PDT
From: "Vicky Adair"
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen Show
Hey everyone. I've been lurking for ever because I have been so busy. I haven't
even had a chance to read the digests in forever so I don't know if this has
been mentioned or not. But I thought Melissa was supposed to do the song at the
beginning of Ellen last night. I was at work and I taped it so I thought my
timer was set late or something, but friends said they didn't show it. Does
anyone know what was up with that? Thank God they did show the song on Oprah
though because it was cute as hell. WAY TO GO ELLEN!!!!! Great show!!!! I
laughed my head off. I sure wish I was in the audience at the Oprah show
though. I would have had a thing or two to say to those f**king jerks in the
front row. That one lady who couldn't even swallow her pride to answer the
question and admit that the show was done tastfully, when she starts complaining
about teaching our young kids, putting out the message of sex. What I want to
know is, what the HELL does being gay have to do with SEX? If I say man, does
that mean horny? If I say women, does that mean slut? Why then when Ellen does a
GREAT show about coming out and being gay does that lady say gay=sex????? I
just dont get it. Are some straight people that stupid? or should I say
straight homophobic bigoted people!!!! Why can't everyone just live and let
live, and stop judging people by the color of their skin or the people they
choose to love? It's none of their business anyway!!
On another subject. Sorry I missed meeting our German friend and the rest of
you all last weekend. My GF and I were really looking forward to meeting
everyone. But I only have access to email at work and I didn't get the address
mailed to me where you were all meeting before I left work Thursday night. John,
did you get my email with my phone number? Anyways we went to Golden Gate Park
and I tried to look for everybody. But I have only seen John very briefly
(we've never met) so I had no luck. I really hope to be in on the next get
together. I am still anxious to meet some of the listers. You all sound like
you have so much fun whenever you get together.
Well back to lurking.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:02:42 +1000 (EST)
From: Holmes V O
Subject: *etheridge* out of it:(
Well, living in a backwards part of Oz doesn't feel too good when stuff
like the big Ellen coming out episode happens...all I saw was a tiny
little bit on a really bad report on A Current Affair. Did anyone in Oz
see the show? Has it been on here? And if it was did you tape it? I'd love
to get a copy and just get to see it. Could any lister in Oz somewhere
answer any or all these questions? I would really love to see what
everyone is talking about with Melissa's appearance on the show. If not I
shall probably have to make a deal with somebody in the States...
Thanks
Veronica
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etheridge-digest Friday, May 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 058
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #57
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #57
*etheridge* Forwarded message
*etheridge* Re: ME List
*etheridge* sMEC,but Ellens' mentioned
*etheridge* Motorcycle outing
*etheridge* Labels again
*etheridge* Melissa on oprah?
*etheridge* Melissa on oprah?
*etheridge* NMEC, surfacing.....
*etheridge* Re: HRC commercial
*etheridge* More Janis Movie Info
*etheridge* SUrvey
*etheridge* HRC Ad
*etheridge* Support Sponsors of Ellen
*etheridge* Voting For MLE
Re: *etheridge* NMEC hrc ad?
Re: *etheridge* NMEC hrc ad?
*etheridge* HRC ad, MLE & Ellen Song
*etheridge* VOTE for ME
Re: *etheridge* Joyce's book
Re: *etheridge* Breathing Easy...
*etheridge* Fwd: [Fwd: ellen advertising -Forwarded]
*etheridge* Re: bootlegs
*etheridge* Correction on new URL
*etheridge* NMEC--Anyone heard of Amanda Green?
*etheridge* WOW!!! Life just gets Better!!
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:34:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #57
I taped the Ellen Show plus the 20/20 episode and Oprah. If you send me a
tape I will copy it all for you. The show was great and Ellen pave some road
for us.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:37:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #57
The Oprah show aired the song that Melissa and Ellen did together - it was
great. I taped it if you need a copy. Just send me a tape and I will put
it on it for you.
Kathie
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 07:57:04 -0400
From: David Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* Forwarded message
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:24:26 -0700
From: Cindy Hoeflak
Subject: Help (again!)
Hi to all!!
I thought I'd share with you all, that I've finally received my Melissa
biography, after waiting patiently for quite a few months, so I was over
the moon!! I haven't read that much of it yet, cause I've been a tad
busy lately, but when everything goes back to normal (whatever that may
be!), I'll definitely get stuck into it!!
I've been reading most of the "coming out" discussions, and I've got a
bit of a problem myself at the moment. I guess I'm "fully out" now, and
am very happy and grateful to say that I haven't encountered any
negative attitude towards my sexuality. Both my parents accept it, as
do all my friends. I know I'm very lucky to be able to say this and try
not to take it granted.
A couple of months ago I started my part time job at the airport, and
was pleased to find out that my colleagues are a great bunch. I'll cut
a long story short, and say that one of my colleagues (a very beautiful
woman) and I have been seeing each other regularly for the past month or
so. She has never felt this way about a woman before, and feels "stuck"
as she doesn't know what to do. No one knows that we've been seeing
each other, and she doesn't believe that she could ever "come out" to
anyone about it. She has been hurt severely by men in the past, and
perhaps just needs someone who cares and understands. She's very
confused at the moment, and considering it's my first serious
relationship (sort of :D ) I don't exactly know what to do either.
She's also 8 years older than me, not that that has been a problem so
far. We have strong feelings for each other, and nothing's more perfect
then when we're together.
Has anyone been in a similar situation or would anyone like to give me
their point of view or opinion, please do!!
Hope I haven't babbled on too much.
Take care all!!
Cindy
PS. Hey Katinka!! You can stop looking for me now!! :D
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: ME List
[email protected]
:)
kel
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:54:06 +0100
From: Margaret McArdle
Subject: *etheridge* sMEC,but Ellens' mentioned
So Ellen is out,(can't wait to see the episode)
Over here the Conservative Government is out,(of Power)
The New Indigo Girls cd is out,
The 1st day of May in Ireland & the sun is out,
There's many a reason to be cheerful....which is a change as much as it
is a blessing
now if only a picture of little Bailey was out not to mention the "Live"
video....
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:25:32 -0400
From: Dan Cohen
Subject: *etheridge* Motorcycle outing
I am the president of my motorcycle club.
http://www.YesIC.com/dancohen/nortown
I ride a Suzuki Intruder 1400.
I've been worried about how the members would react when they learn I'm
queer. And not just queer, I'm bisexual.
Here is a story from this Saturday's ride.
Not far from Lake Erie, at our lunch stop, I shared a table with Betty
(Honda Shadow 750) and Annie (Kawasaki Vulcan 800). Now, I was wearing a
Gay Rainbow lapel pin on my inner jacket. So when I took off my motorcycle
jacket, Annie asked what the pin was for. When I said it's gay, both their
jaws dropped. I was embarrassed, too! But each of us recovered our poise in
our own way.
Phew! this coming-out stuff is rough. But I'll continue to do. I can't hide it.
Later, on Tuesday, at the club meeting, my job is chairman. I was worried
how many members now knew, and how it would affect the meeting. No problem
at all!
------oOo------
Pooh wrote, on Thu, 1 May 1997:
> So next time you are swinging on the playground and the breeze is
> blowing in your face and you just keep getting higher and higher I say
> let go and take a leap and feel once again the freedom you lost in your
> childhood and then stand up and cheer because you have won!
Yeah, that's what feels like, alright!
------oOo------
Ellen came out to the world, all at once, in a big way. You and I can't do
it her way, we have to come out bit by bit, in small stages. It takes time.
So it's rough, it keeps happening, but it gets better and better each time.
- -
- -- Dan Cohen in Toronto
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:25:47 -0400
From: Dan Cohen
Subject: *etheridge* Labels again
Glenn Damon wrote, on Thu, 1 May 1997:
> I don't know about you, but why does there have to be a label on
> everything man who care gay, straight, bi.
If you're human, you'll label stuff. It's part of how we work. We don't know
how to think, without labeling things, events, and each other.
This is great for a logical guy, like me. If I can find a label, I always
know what to do next.
Also, if you're human, you'll have relationships. It's part of how we live,
and how we help each other live.
So it's easy to pin a label on a relationship. The trouble begins when we
forget that the label is not the complete picture. Then we under-value each
other, and it gets easy to hurt and be hurt.
So I always try to remember, "Every person is precious."
> The only thing that does
> matter is that the persons involved care for each other thats what
> matters most.
Yes! When we cut through the labels and names, when we really see the other
person, then we start to love.
- -
- -- Dan Cohen in Toronto
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:55:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa on oprah?
Does anyone know if and when Melissa is going to be on Oprah?
Thanks.......
Karen
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:55:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa on oprah?
Does anyone know if and when Melissa is going to be on Oprah?
Thanks.......
Karen
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 18:00:10 +0200
From: Ann Christin Olsson
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC, surfacing.....
Hi all of you guys!!!
I finally found time to stop lurking and surface for a minute....
To tell a little about myself...
I`m a busy girl at 23 and i`m living in Norway..
BTW, is there others norwegians here?
One of my true loves in my life is off course MLE..
I heard her first time in 92 at a dance place and i went all crazy..
The song they played was LTWID, and i loved it..
I ran up to the dj and almost pulled him on to the dance floor to find out
who the singer was..
And since then she has been my absolute favorites...
In about one week i bought all of her albums...
I love each and everyone of them..
So many of her songs is like a short story of my life...
Ok, the reason for my surfacing is Cindy`s story..
Hi Cindy....
You asked if anyone had a similar story...
Well i have a situation that is some like yours...
In all of my life i have wondered what i am..
But about 5 years ago i decided to live my life as i wanted to..
I found out i was a lesbian when i was 15-16 years old...
But i tried to convince myself that i was straight..
And as you all may know that is no good...
And now i finally have decided to just be me...
I`m still in the closets for some of my friends and my family..
But my brother and some friends know...
Well, that was not what i was going to say..
3 months ago i met the love of my life...
I met her trough the internet..
At a chat room..
We started talking and soon i was hocked..
But then i found out she was living with a man and they had two kids...
To make a long story a little shorter...
We are now deeply in love, and she`s leaving her husband..
She was to very confused..
Didn`t know what to do..
She have had attraction to women before...
But she had ignored those feelings..
And now i`m happy to say she is sure..:-))
But it have been some though times..
And we can`t live together yet because of the kids..
But we know we`ll always be there for each other..
And now i`m moving to the other side of the country to be close to her..
So i`m actually going to live close to heaven...:-)
And my tip to you is be patient...
Eventually she`ll come around..
All it takes is time...
And a great deal of talking.....
Well, need to say one more thing..
Kiva, your storey touched me...
I just knew ME was so beautiful and wonderful as you told...
I unfortunately haven`t seen her live yet..
But i will....
And POOH.....
You`re an artist with words..
You make my heart sing...:-)
Keep up the good work...
Sorry to talk so much, that`s one of my big problems...
Take care
Love
AC
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:15:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Melody BARAJAS
Subject: *etheridge* Re: HRC commercial
Hey--
I was really surprised to see the HRC commercial and the VW commercial
also during the Ellen show. I live in Omaha (... somewhere in Middle
America...), and was quite impressed with our ABC affliate. Who knew they
were so "liberal" ;^). Anyways didn't see the Olivia one though --
bummer.
Also, I thought ABC refused to show either the HRC or Olivia commercial?
How did they get on my screen?!?!
Peace, Mel
"They took me to a place where they gave me pink instead of blue..."
-Tina and the B-Side
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:59:17 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* More Janis Movie Info
May 1, 1997
In Hollywood, no good idea goes unpunished. Now there's a
race to bring the troubled life of singer Janis Joplin, who died
of a drug overdose in 1970, to the big screen. Variety reports
that director Nancy Savoca's (Dogfight) $20-million,
family-authorized Janis biopic, with Lili Taylor (I Shot Andy
Warhol) starring, is out with an early lead. On Monday, several
of Hollywood's hottest young stars came together to do a
read-through of the script. Taylor, who will lip-sync to Janis
tunes, was joined at the reading by Samantha Mathis, Jared
Leto, Brendan Fraser, and Gary Busey's dead-ringer of a son
Jake--in addition to plenty of Sony studio execs. The question
of the day is whether Taylor, a proven indie sensation, can
carry a high-profile studio picture. Her competition is fierce.
The rival biopic at Paramount has Melissa Etheridge attached
as Joplin and Marc Rocco (Murder in the First) directing. And
while no one is sure if Etheridge can act, everybody knows
that she can sing.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:50:49 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* SUrvey
Everyone go to http://www.mrshowbiz.com/ and vote for ME as the best
Janis Joplin!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:01:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* HRC Ad
I'm from Fort Wayne, IN and the HRC ad did not appear during Ellen's show.
Loved MLE's part at the end, and I'm hoping she will sing the opening of next
week's show!
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:16:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Support Sponsors of Ellen
Just to let everyone know . . . I sent e-mail to the following sponsors
thanking them for their support of sponsoring Ellen's show on Wednesday
night: HBO, Burlington Coat, New Line Cinemas, Neosporin (Warner-Lambert),
Bayer. I'm going to send more thank you's as soon as I find web sites for
the other sponsors . . . one-a-day vitamins, sudafed, slim fast, calvin
klein, pringle potato chips, gap, trident, listerine, vw.
By the way, I think the above-named should be a complete listing of the
sponsor's that were shown on our ABC affiliate here in Indiana.
Anyone know, is MLE ever going to put out a "live" cd or videos (live or just
all songs already out)? My collection of "taping" videos is getting pretty
extensive - 5 tapes or more)!
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Voting For MLE
Thanks so much for the info - I voted for MLE at the Mr. Showbiz site!!!
I have been trying to check that site regularly, it seems they had a lot of
info on Ellen and the show!
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:32:15 -0700
From: "Ryan Blackhawke"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC hrc ad?
The HRC ad played in Seattle *DUH* and our response was that it is SAD that
the people who need job protection the MOST are sytematically ignored by
HRC. I'm speaking of the Transgender community. I was involved with HRC up
until ENDA came out and their excuse for not including T*'s in the language
was that "it would kill the bill". When I moved to Seattle 2 years ago,
they tried to re-activate me and I asked how their stand on that issue has
changed only to find out it hasn't. And they can't even be honest about it.
"Well, we WOULD include them, but know it is just out of our hands." The ad
on Ellen only reinforced my view that the organization has no intention of
fighting for the rights of ALL the queer community.
"If you want the proof cut me and you'll see..."
---Melissa Etheridge
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From: carole walker
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 8:14 PM
Subject: *etheridge* hrc ad?
commercial played in our area, wouldn't it be interesting to hear the
towns
that did play it and those that did not? I'll start. Me and my g/f
live in
Austin Texas and they did air the HRC ad here, but didn't air the
lesbian
the hrc commercial did not air on the charlotte nc station
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:26:10 -0900 (PDT)
From: Vanessa Willock
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC hrc ad?
My partner and I say the HRC ad in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We did not
see the Lesbian cruise line ad however. We did see the VW ad, pretty
good:) Hey, its progress.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* HRC ad, MLE & Ellen Song
Well, I'll check in with my report...the HRC ad *did* air in little ole
Mansfield, Ohio, but probably just because our ABC station is actually in
Columbus, Ohio! ;-)
No sign of the Olivia ad, though, rats. :-(
No word yet on why the Ellen & MLE song was cut at the beginning of Ellen,
though I did pass the question along to "the powers that be." Hmmm. I'm
hearing now that Joan Jett is supposed to be doing the opening song on Ellen
next week--?! Anybody else heard that?
Later, gators,
Joyce
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:45:11 -0700
From: "Wyndi L. Bleeker"
Subject: *etheridge* VOTE for ME
For Anyone Interested you should go to Mr Showbiz and Vote for Melissa
to do the Janis Joplin Movie.
http://www.mrshowbiz.com
Look Under WaterCooler Poll.
Wyndi
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Kimmy is [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:37:45 +0000
From: "Stephanie St. Amand"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Joyce's book
> And now, just for a snicker, here's a quote from a piece of email I
> received: "By the way, there's something I wanted to ask you; who's that
> chick Melissa E.? Is she a singer too?"
>
> --
> Sue -- email: [email protected]
> Janis -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7348/
> Melissa -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7349/
> Grrrl Dollz -- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8647/
I had someone email asking who the picture on one of my pages
was...can you believe that there are still people in the world that
don't know who the Goddess of Rock is? I can't;)
Stephanie St. Amand
www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3028
www.angelfire.com/ca/bridgadoa/index.html
May the wind always be at your back and the ground under foot.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:37:45 +0000
From: "Stephanie St. Amand"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Breathing Easy...
> You know, people say that Ellen coming out was no big deal, that it
> was overblown and there's plenty of gays on tv and yadah, yadah...but
> this was different. People learn from example. I think people are
> finding courage and learning about the comfort that comes from the
> truth.
I think Ellen will help alot of people that still have their head
stuck in the mud. I mean, I hope everyone can somday understand that
it doen't matter where the love comes from but that it's LOVE:)
>
> Well, for Melissa content....Wasn't she a doll!!!!! She should be a
> movie star. : )
>
Wouldn't that be great!!
> Blessings,
> jill (the bateman one)
Stephanie St. Amand
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May the wind always be at your back and the ground under foot.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Fwd: [Fwd: ellen advertising -Forwarded]
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[email protected] ([email protected]), [email protected] (richardj),
[email protected] (pattiharris), [email protected] ([email protected]),
[email protected] (Nancy and Robin), [email protected] (Michelle
Bugbee), [email protected], [email protected] (kiva), [email protected]
(Joyce Michie), [email protected] (Dan Cohen), [email protected]
(Charles Aagenas), [email protected] (barb biagi)
Date: 97-05-02 17:37:20 EDT
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http://www.lesbois.com/betasurely
Thought you might be interested in this. I also sent one to Kim at Idaho
Power.
The courageous Chrysler Corp has set up an 800 number to
poll the public on whether you agree or disagree with their
decision to pull advertising from the April 30 episode of
"Ellen," in which the lead character, Ellen Morgan, reveals
that she is a lesbian.
This is QUICK, EASY, FREE, and you don't even have to talk
to a human or identify yourself in any way.
Please take less than a minute to do this. You can bet the
far-right factions are!
Here's the number to call between 8am and 5pm EST:
1 (800) 992-1997
Press 1 for their Media/PR line;
1 for their current media events line;
2 for their "Ellen" line, and then
2 to disagree with their decision to pull sponsorship.
Then, forward this message!
Note: Please be advised that I am passing this message on
fro another source and that is why it does not tell you what
number to press in case you support Chrysler's decision. I
apologize but I am sure there are enough people who support
it already.
Toni
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:10:47 -0500
From: "Patty Kolakowski"
Subject: *etheridge* Re: bootlegs
Hi,
>>On one bootleg I have, I think it's the "Witch Queen of
>>Cologne", she hollers out "This is going to make a great bootleg".
>I have that bootleg as well, and is it just me or doesn't it sound right?
>While listening to the cd, especially the first one, i have the feeling
>there are some false notes. Or something, anyway it doesn't sound right to
>me. The bootleg from Rotterdam 1996 sounds so much better (same concert).
I have a theory that is probably not worth anything, but I think the taper
was picking up John Shank's monitor as well a the concert speakers. It
give the sound kind of an echoy out of tune sound, but Melissa's voice and
guitar sound fine. It's hard to imagine that as many times as they change
guitars that every one of John's is out of tune. This boot has my
favorite
version of Shriner's Park. It don't think it's the same concert as
Rotterdam. Isn't that Cirkus in Holland? Witch Queen was a concert in
Germany. The best sounding disc of the '96 tour is Valentine's Day which
was the Berlin show. It's a double disc at a small venue with a very
appreciative audience.
Bye
pk
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:54:11 -0400
From: Sue Molyneaux
Subject: *etheridge* Correction on new URL
Hi all
I'm sending out a correction to the URL of my new Janis and Melissa
sites. I use a freebie web storage space, and their server crashed
shortly after I uploaded the files. The IDs were wiped out, and the URLs
were given to someone else. Hopefully this won't happen again. Please
change your links and/or bookmarks accordingly. This Melissa site is the
one with the Official List of Melissa's TV appearences.
Hopefully, this won't happen again.
Thanks all!
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Sue -- email: [email protected]
Janis -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7991/
Melissa -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7990/
Grrrl Dollz -- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8647/
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 23:33:15 -0800 (PST)
From: [email protected] (Barry F. Hom)
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC--Anyone heard of Amanda Green?
Hello!
Hey, I got this flyer in the mail about Amanda Green. It's from Y & t
Music.
Has anyone heard of her? It sounds like she's pretty decent. :)
Thanks in advance!
Barry Hom
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:27:21 PDT
From: "Deborah Alley"
Subject: *etheridge* WOW!!! Life just gets Better!!
Well....Hello All!!
I'm new to the list and I have been enjoying getting to know you all for a
couple of weeks now. Now it's time for you to meet me! :-)
My name is Deb, I am a Chef and die-hard Melissa fan for many years now.
Joyce's book lead me to the list...THANK YOU JOYCE!!
I had to respond to all the posts about Ellen's show.....I must agree that it
was an extremely tastefully done show. Somehow I'm sure that the straight folks
out there didn't quite get ALL the jokes!! LOL
Melissa sure looked well in her bit at the end!! She wears parenthood
well!! We can only hope that a prominant person like Ellen coming out in
this way will help the world to understand the difficulties we've all gone thru
when it comes time to tell someone you care about that you're a homosexual.
Like Melissa, I've known since I was a teen that I was a lesbian. Surely this
should help people realize that , for most gays at least, there was never a
choice to make....we are gay from birth.
I must also congradulate those of you who have been strong enough to come out to
us here. It's a tough thing to accept about yourself at first....but if you
stay strong & speak true it gets easier. Welcome to the FAMILY!! We are tight
knit & supportive...and always ready to listen.
Well...I suppose I've said enough for my first post. Thanks for
"listening".....I look foward to getting to know you all better.
Stay Strong, Teach Peace, Speak True
chefdeb
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etheridge-digest Saturday, May 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 059
*etheridge* ELLEN TAPED
*etheridge* just a thought........
*etheridge* NMEC: Reality Bites
*etheridge* May 2nd, 1997
*etheridge* Hi
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:30:39 PDT
From: "Deborah Alley"
Subject: *etheridge* ELLEN TAPED
Just wanted to tell all interested parties......I have the show taped (even
without commercials!!) and would be happy to do the copies for anyone
interested. Please e-mail me at [email protected],
and we'll arrange it!
PEACE!! chefdeb
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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:33:42 PDT
From: "Deborah Alley"
Subject: *etheridge* just a thought........
One more thing before I must get ready for work.....I don't know how many of you
have heard, but there's an anonomys California woman who is giving $2,000 to
every houshold in Grand Forks ND that was damaged by the flood. This woman
prefers to remain anonomys, but I have to say I thought of Melissa right away.
Just sounds like something she would do!!
Any thoughts......???
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Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:35:58, -0500
From: [email protected] ( J L RUTZ)
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: Reality Bites
I've been reading all the wonderful stories of those who have
recently come out. They are all very encouraging. I too was feeling
uplifted by the heady thought of a new age of enlightenment. Then I
ran smack dab into reality. I was asked to sign a petition to get
Initiative 677 on the ballot here in Washington state. Passage of
initiative 677 would make it illegal to discriminate against
individuals in the workplace on the basis of sexual orientation. I
saw the HRC ad. Due to the miracle of satellite, I saw it on a
Denver station (which apparently cut out the end segment, I only got
to see up to where Ellen said 'Yes I am' and then it cut out). I
always thought Washington was a little more progressive than that,
wrong again.
I function as a union steward at my place of employ and recently was
asked to assist in the investigations of some serious allegations of
impropriety in job injury investigations. We have had a company
person, rumored to be a lesbian, who has been conducting these
investigations in a manner that is both illegal and unethical. A
fellow steward, whom I thought of as 'enlightened' and intelligent,
attempted to make a case that her sexual orientation was a factor
that needed to be explored as a point in our attack on her actions.
You could have knocked me over with a feather, I was literally
stunned. Her orientation was not an issue, only her poor judgement
and use of intimidation in the performance of her job.
Needless to say I'm still in the deepest darkest corner of a closet,
damn dust bunnies. For those of you who are finding the courage to
step out into the light, please be sure to leave the door open. The
light is ever so inviting.
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:50:08 -0700
From: "Jen Miller"
Subject: *etheridge* May 2nd, 1997
Just a few days after the much anticipated "ellen" show, i'm still getting
goosebumps thinking of the episode. i'm just glad i was able to watch
it...and be mesmerized by it. i hope abc realizes the gem they hold in
their hands...ellen is a beaut...:) let's hope that television continues
to keep positive happenings alive.
observing the best hour of her life,
Jen
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Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 04:56:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: *etheridge* Hi
Hi Karen,
I also played lead rrytum guitar. My idols Jimi Hendrix(he's a guitar
god), Eric clapton, and B.B. King. I guess you can say I have rock &
blues influences. I've been playing since I was 7 years old, and played in
sessions at the age of 15 I was considered a prodigy. Now a days I play
the guitar mostly for enjoyment now, and I should play more then I do it's
just hard to find the time anymore. My other interests are golf, gourmet
cooking, computer programming(wich is also my job). Well here in, Wichita
Kansas it's not as buitiful as Queensland, but it has its good points I
guess. Our biggest tourist attraction is our yearly Riverfset which is
held every year for 11 days to celebrate Spring. Tell you about myself
well i'm a Senior at Wichita State majoring in Computer Science i'm 31
years old(I know a little old for school), but I took 10 years off to
work. I was in the Army Nat'l guard for 10 years( joined out of high
school). I love Melissa a lot to, Joan Jett as well WOW we like the sane
people cool. Stay in touch e-mail me anytime this is really cool.
Good day from the land of oz
Damon
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*etheridge* v1 58
*etheridge* MLE in Woodstock '94 / Amanda Marshall
*etheridge* Ellen episode
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Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:52:45 +0200
From: "Nor." <[email protected]>
Subject: *etheridge* v1 58
Hi to you all,
After reading all these stories on exposing yourself as being gay or bisexual
I'd like to respond:
I'm bisexual myself, but I always seem to fall in love with the wrong
woman, as in, the woman isn't gay.
So before making a fool of myself again, is there anyone who can tell
me...???.
"Do you have special signs of some kind" :) I'm scared to make the wrong
move again.
It seems my world/surrounding is only hetero......except this one.
Or no one dares to tell, I mean i'm not terribly ugly or something...
Nor.
"..I did not design this game, I did not name the stakes
" I just happen to like appels and I am not afraid of snakes.."
~~~~~~~~``~~~~~~~~``~~~~~~~
"listen to what i'm not saying.."....
'' playing guitar when i'm not playing ."..a.d
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Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:54:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vivian Choh
Subject: *etheridge* MLE in Woodstock '94 / Amanda Marshall
Hi folks,
MEC:
you probably all know this already, but i'll reiterate (what the heck, a
little re-emphasis couldn't hurt, could it?): The double CD "Woodstock
'94" has an MLE contribution "I'm the Only One". It's a "live" versioon.
NMEC: A. Marshall
I've forwarded my mail and cannot access it from here, so i hope that i'm
not repeating anything. I got the following from the Toronto Star
Starweek Magazine (any typos are all mine -- reprinted, of course, without
permission):
The Marshall arts
BY MITCH POTTER
The grownups, they love her. And even though Amanda Marshall
sings like her own generation never happened, there's some young faces in
the crowd as well. [viv: that grammatical error's not mine!]
This is the story so far for the fledgling Toronto rocker, who at
24 has spent the last 18 months touring on the merits of her now
four-times platinum debut album. She is no grunger, this one, with her
big, blues-bodied voice (like a slighly more controlled Janis Joplin) and
spastic body motions (like a slightly less controlled Joe Cocker).
No wonder parents approve. Marshall is emerging as a
trans-generational performer, with each career step paced by yet another
nod from the baby boom. Just before Christmas last year, for example,
Elton John told Rosie O'Donnell's international TV audience how taken he
was with Marshall's lone CD. A week later, O'Donnell's producers had
tracked down the singer, who promptly took up the invitation to sing for
her televised supper. A day after the O'Donnell performance aired,
another 10,000 fans had purchased her record.
Marshall tells the cameras of CTV, BBS [viv: Canadian television
networks. am not actually sure what the difference is between the two, if
anyone wants to enlighten me 8^)] and producer Sandra Faire all about it
tomorrow (Sunday) at 8 p.m. in the first airing of a concert/interview
documentary shot in March at Toronto's Opera House venue. Among her
secret weapons, Marshall cites her mother's record collection -- a jazz
trove replete with the best of Billie Holliday, Ella Fitzgerald, Betty
Carter, et al.
Meanwhile, the endless tour continues. Marshall just spent April
opening for the first leg of a John Mellencamp show throughout the U.S.
and acquitted herself so well she's been invited back for the second leg
this summer. For now, she's crossing Canada one more time, with a tour
starting this weekend in Saskatchewan.
Viv
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Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:16:59 -0500
From: "D. Caffrey"
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Hi! Just a few thoughts about the Ellen
"coming out" episode. I really enjoyed it. I got
to see segments of the show over satellite before it
came on, so I knew it was going to be hilarious. I
have had a few interesting conversations with people
since the show.
I live in an area where sexuality is not really
talked about and anything except for heterosexuality is
not considered "appropriate". In fact, not very long ago,
I believed that myself. I realize now that was just
ignorance on my part. I had not been exposed to much in
my life and thought I should not question what I was told
to believe. I can't believe now how naive I actually was.
I think for myself now (it's about time!), and I consider
myself to be a very open-minded person. I recently was
reminded how closed-minded and naive people can actually be.
Which brings me to the Ellen episode. After the
show, a close friend of mine actually said to me that she
liked the show, but she was really suprised that Laura Dern
was a lesbian. I told her that she wasn't, and she actually
said "then why did she play one on tv?". This woman is not
stupid. I was amazed at how naive that was. I just talked
to my mom on the phone. I love my family more than anything,
but we basically live by the "Don't ask, Don't tell" rule.
Not just about sex, but about anything. Recently, we have
become a bit more open & Ellen's coming out has helped us
talk about alternative lifestyles. If you read the first
part of my post, it will not surprise you to know that they
do not accept anything "alternative". It amazed me to find
out that they all actually watched the Ellen show. My mother
liked the show and thought it was funny & I thought "great,
maybe she's becoming more open". Then she told me that if
they start bringing other women on the show that she'll stop
watching it. She said she wasn't interested in seeing lesbians
date & have sex. I asked her when the Ellen show had ever been
about having sex! From the shows I remember, it's been mostly
about her not having sex at all.
All of this has just reminded me about how naive I was
and all of the crap I was led to believe about life. I am still
very uneducated about a lot of things in life, but I am so glad
I am not closed to learning about things anymore. I learn
something new about life & myself every day. At least Ellen has
got America talking. It may not all be good, but at least the
discussion is out there. If you would have told me that my mom &
I would be talking about alternative lifestyles, I never would
have believed it. It hasn't changed her mind about anything,
but at least I got the chance to talk to her a little about it
& what I now believe. This post has become way too long & I
apologize, but there is just so much that I would like to talk
about & I really don't have anyone to talk about it with. I
think it's great that this list has so many diverse people with
so many different views and opinions. It's not only given me so
much information on Melissa, but on life and human beings as well.
Everyone have a great weekend wherever you are!
- -Diane- (Almost Single!)
"The only thing that stays the same...
is change." - Melissa Etheridge
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Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
*etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
*etheridge* PNW Ellen get-together - vlmec
*etheridge* MLE blurb from KFOG's "Fogtracks"
*etheridge* MLE at CAA's Ellen party
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 09:58:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Diane,
I think it's great that this list has so many diverse people with
so many different views and opinions. It's not only given me so
much information on Melissa, but on life and human beings as well.
Everyone have a great weekend wherever you are!
>>
What a great, honest and open post. Sounds like you have come a long way.
I, too was homophobic as a young child, raised to be racist and against
anything that wasn't just like me. Well, starting 10 years ago, I began to
break *many* of the barriers my parents and their parents had put up. After
many years of taking things slow (and yet just doing them in an "in your
face" kind of way) my parents are now more loving of me and the way I live my
life than ever before. They love my g/f, I think more than they love me and
are always inviting her everywhere, and buying her things. They always ask
"what did you do?" if I let on that we are in an argument. It's rather
hilarious.
Anyway, back to your post....thanks for sharing with the list your most
personal observances and experiences. What a wonderful place you have come
to with yourself. Keep going, it only gets better ;)
Michelle
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 09:13:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Hi michelle,
I agree with you I like the post as well. Isn't it great to have so many
knowledgable, and yet diverse people on the list caring, and understanding
for their opinion on MLE(the main reason we're here); and other topics as
well.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:25:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen episode
Yes, and I know it makes me want to be that much more supportive to those who
don't understand where I am coming from and where I plan to go. I'm so proud
of Ellen, mainly for what she is doing for the straight community. Seems
like I'm hearing alot of positive things coming from people who otherwise
would not have even considered *us* human. Cool.
Michelle
<< I agree with you I like the post as well. Isn't it great to have so many
knowledgable, and yet diverse people on the list caring, and understanding
for their opinion on MLE(the main reason we're here); and other topics as
well.
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:07:28 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
[In the continuing (though hopefully abating) transformation of
this list from [email protected] to [email protected], MHO about last
week's big event.]
Last Wednesday night, about 9:00 PM, I found myself alone at home
with nothing else to do, and I was of course aware of the attendant hype,
so I watched the coming out episode of "Ellen." Later that night, I
watched the news on the local ABC affiliate, which spent the requisite time
on "viewer reactions" to the program. "Viewer reactions" fell into 3
predictable and easily identifiable categories: (1) The morally outraged
("Ellen DeGenerate...", "I took down a list of the sponsors and I'll be
sending them letters..."); (2) The newly empowered ("It was emotionally
uplifting, wonderful...", "You go, girl!"); (3) The world-weary ("I don't
see what the big deal is...", "Thank god it's over with...").
I have a natural tendency to fall into the third category,
especially when the myriad powers of public relations and advertising are
used as cannily and relentlessly as they were prior to the airing of this
show. On the other hand, I hadn't seen "Ellen" since it was called "These
Friends of Mine" and was still receiving good reviews, and I was pleasantly
surprised by the quality of the hour-long special.
It was well-written, well-performed, genuinely funny, occasionally
even brilliant (especially the carefully choreographed airport scene).
Most of the dreaded celebrity cameos were disposed of in a single dream
sequence, and the ones that remained (k.d. lang, Oprah Winfrey, Laura Dern)
were illuminating in their roles instead of distracting. I was impressed
most of all by the handling of a story about a 30-some-year-old woman
experiencing her first love (more so than the handling of a story of a
homosexual realizing her own sexual identity, which seemed rather glib),
which was as deft as a sitcom ever manages. It was also refreshing to
watch a program that addressed a number of misconceptions regarding
homosexuals in a completely entertaining fashion that avoided didacticism.
That said, it is impossible to comment on the episode that aired
Wednesday without also commenting on the media blitz that surrounded it,
including the "courageous" or "disgusting" coming-out (depending on your
personal viewpoint) of Ellen DeGeneres herself. For my part, I am far less
impressed by Ellen DeGeneres' public disclosure than I am by that of her
partner, Anne Heche. For comparison, Ms. DeGeneres is a fair comedienne
on a fair-to-middling show with low-to-middling ratings, clearly on the
downhill side of her career curve, and therefore with little to lose from
any stigma that might result from being identified as a homosexual. In
fact, Wednesday night's hype may have bought "Ellen" an additional season
it otherwise might not have earned. Ms. Heche, on the other hand, is an
up-and-coming movie actress whose star has not yet fully risen, having
recently assembled a nice string of very plum roles ("plum" here used in
the sense we must unfortunately use for almost all movie actresses these
days, meaning that she has co-starred opposite numerous much bigger and
more highly-paid male actors). As such, she has everything to lose that
Ms. DeGeneres does not.
Perhaps Ms. Heche belonged on the cover of Time instead. An even
better suggestion was given last week by syndicated sex advice columnist
Dan Savage, who (and I paraphrase here outrageously) states that he
considers real courage to reside in the examples set by countless young
high school students coming out to their friends and family every day and
telling them, in effect, to deal with it and chill. There are young gays
coming out in "Mormon freak show" (Mr. Savage's description) Idaho, even
attempting to form a gay club in a Utah high school. These people, not the
celebrities, are the real heroes.
Perhaps Ellen's coming out will provide such young people with a
sort of vicarious support they would have otherwise lacked, in much the
same, sad, celebrity-worshiping way that it took Rock Hudson's death and
posthumous outing, and Magic Johnson's diagnosis, to alert some portions of
the American population to AIDS and provoke a more sympathetic response to
gay victims of that disease. Her coming out will doubtless have a far
larger impact than Anne Heche's, if only because TV routinely reaches more
people than films (and because Ms. Heche doesn't play lesbians, either).
The barrage of uplifting publicity should serve in at least some capacity
to balance the hate mail and death threats that will stream in from the
more ignorant segments of the TV audience. Still, the lionization of this
woman seems out of proportion to her accomplishment, IMHO, especially given
the publicity considerations that were almost certainly the primary reason
for it.
Then again, I suppose I'm just a hopeless cynic when it comes to
media events. Maybe these days our lives really are played out on TV
screens instead of in our homes and communities.
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:33:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
Hi,
I myself would fall in the third catagory, cause it took courage coming
out the way she did. And I don't think ms. Hache miinds that Ellen is
getting a lot of media attention. I think the time has come to break
down those so called stero-typical sitcoms Ellen has started something
fresh. I will get off the pill box now.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:08:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
I don't, unfortunately, have much light to shed on this post, but I will make
one minor (major?) comment on it....Anne Heche DID in fact play a lesbian in
"Wild Side" opposite Joan Chen and Christopher Walken. And did a marvelous
job at that. She also was in "Walking and Talking" where, though it was not
a lesbian plot, showed how wonderful a women's bond can be. Just a thought.
Michelle
In a message dated 97-05-04 17:13:55 EDT, [email protected] writes:
<< Her coming out will doubtless have a far
larger impact than Anne Heche's, if only because TV routinely reaches more
people than films (and because Ms. Heche doesn't play lesbians, either).
The barrage of uplifting publicity should serve in at least some capacity
to balance the hate mail and death threats that will stream in from the
more ignorant segments of the TV audience. Still, the lionization of this
woman seems out of proportion to her accomplishment, IMHO, especially given
the publicity considerations that were almost certainly the primary reason
for it.
Then again, I suppose I'm just a hopeless cynic when it comes to
media events. Maybe these days our lives really are played out on TV
screens instead of in our homes and communities.
>>
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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:20:49 -0700
From: barb biagi
Subject: *etheridge* PNW Ellen get-together - vlmec
WARNING !!!! Long message alert !!! Only smec !!!! WARNING !!!!!!
howdy all !!!
Well, just returned from the PNW get together a few days ago, & i*m still
all abuzz from the good time i had there. What a nice bunch of melister
people that city has.
We were put up (& put up with) by Sooz(911, the gracious), & her very nice
roomie who hid out in his room a lot, smart boy. We had a visitation from
the infamous SueD(the Devinely goofy). We were expertly chauffered around
the beautiful city, thru rain & traffic, by none other than Sheri(the one
with the baby*s bottom skin ! Also the one who can only see the Seattle
Space Needle by turning her head sideways ! ;-}), & sent into realms of
inescapeable laughter by the incomparable Lynn(the tactile evolving one).
We got fed a totally home made Italian dinner made by Lynn & her folks. i
think i*m still full from it. We hit collectable & memorabilia shops &
record stores, & chased the Indigo Girls around town, just because Lynn was
so *focused*.
We went under the needle, some of us three times, me only twice ! Once the
Seattle Space Needle, once the tattoo man*s needle. Yes. i got a tattoo !
(don*t cry mama !!! i*m sorry to uspet you like this all the time !) It*s
something i*ve always wanted to do, but have never gotten around to, or
gotten up the nerve for. i*d played with temporary tattoos, enjoyed them &
the reaction they got, so i was ready to try the real thing. But what to
pick as a design ?!! That held me up for a while. Spent a whole afternoon
there after picking SueD up from the airport, they both got done, i still
wasn*t sure, so thot i*d gotten off the hook.
Hey, that reminds me, the ride to the airport to get SueD was a trip in
itself ! Can that Sooz ever drive ! i live in a little place, the most
we*ve got is a 4-way stopsign, so just being in Seattle, in all that crazy
traffic, was an adventure in itself. Well, we were late for the airport, as
SueD was arriving early, & we*d (i*d) spent too much time over b*fast. But
Sooz sure made up for lost time. She drives a Jeep, & drives it very well i
must add, so you know what kind of bumpy ride you get. Well, you put speed &
sharp corner turning on top of that, & you*ve got a ride they should put in
Shriner*s Park, i swear ! i can tell you that i took the old sailor*s trick
of keeping my eyes on the horizon, just so i didn*t boap my biscuits !!!
Especially when we hit the parkade at the airport ! Just TRY doing those
sharp loops up to the top floor, hanging on for dear life, & just where IS
that horizon, anyway. Wow.
So, anyway, where was i ??? Oh yeah. Tattoos. Now back to our original story.
But wouldn*t you know it, SueD had to go back for seconds on another day.
She hadn*t had enuf the first time around. That gave me time to think about
what i wanted, & how to do it, & to hash it over with the two sues, so on
our second trip there, i was ready.
Watched one of them wince getting the work done, then watched them wince
again as their clothing would rub on the fresh artwork. Gotta tell ya, i was
sure afraid. i didn*t know what to expect, & to tell you the truth, i thot
i*d cry. But it wasn*t so bad. Like they say, it*s kinda annoying, more than
anything. It*s like getting a needle, only it doesn*t go as deep, & there is
more than just one jab. The needle goes like a sewing machine needle, that
fast, & that many jabs. He dips it into the ink, jabs a quarter inch of your
design, then dabs it dry with paper towel that had teddy bears on it of all
things. i kept wanting to pull my arm away. Some areas were DEFinately more
sensitive than others, right SueD & Sooz ? Think i got off easy getting one
on my upper arm. It wasn*t too bad. Don*t think i even winced, never mind
cried, but i was sure glad to be done. My palms were sweating like crazy, &
i*d made sure i had a good chunk of gum to chomp on the whole time.
So what did i get, you ask. Well, i*ve got a thing for skeletons & skulls,
(not neccessarily REAL ones Sheri, calm down now, tho i HAVE had a few
animal skulls).
i know, where does THAT come from ?
i saw Keith Richards*s skull ring in 1989 or so, he has been my hero for a
long time, & HAD to have one. i thot his was just way too cool. Managed to
find a nice little one, not a big honker like his, then i was given one as a
gift, then another as a gift, for my thumb. Well, it*s amazing how many
skeleton-related items there are out there. Knowing of my predilection for
the things, my friends have found an amazing number of them for me. i have
scarves, dillyboppers that flash, c*mas tree decorations from Mexico, a
grinning statue of one holding a bouquet of flowers, a terra cotta real life
sized grinning one that could be used as a candle holder, beads, necklaces,
toothpicks, necklaces made of nothing but bone beads in the shape of skulls,
pencil sharpeners, c*mas lights, shirts, earrings, key rings,
glow-in-the-dark ones that you have to snap together, temporary tattoos,
b*day cards from children, postcards, you get it, i think. Well, i also have
a rubber stamp of a dancing skeleton that i just love. It*s happy, & to me
is a symbol of what life is all about. Well, after discussing it with the
two pros, the sues, i decided this WAS what i wanted. So i had the guy draw
it up, then blow it up to fit my upper arm. At first, when i saw the
drawing, i thot the guy hadn*t quite *gotten* it. Had he made it too
ominous-looking ?, it*s supposed to be a joyful & gay (heehee) thing. Make
sure it*s right, barb, you*re stuck with this for life now.
Well, he outlined it in black, then highlighted it with red & yellow, & i*m
just thrilled with it. So, that*s my tattoo story, just for you, *rhondda*.
& you*re right. You CAN attribute my *wild side* to being around the two
sues. i NEVER would have done that on my own, without them as my sidekicks.
i felt very reassured having them there with me. i couldna done it without
them !!!
i*ve been showing it off like crazy since i got home. The reactions vary
from - were you drunk at the time ? (something as equally unlikely as me
getting a tattoo !), to - it*s fake. i think it*s just great. Now don*t tell
my mum, eh ? i was so excited about it, i almost told her, but thot, nah,
why worry her. She may as well not know about it til i HAVE to tell her !
Yes, we got fotos. i swore i*d get incriminating onces of us wincing &
crying, & put them up on a web page that i have yet to design. We all DID
take fotos, & i*m getting mine on disc, so that i can show them off if they
turn out well. If anyone cares to see them, that is. *rhondda*, is your
mouth still agape ???? i tell not one word of lie.
It was a long trip down there. Nine hours long. i drove my van, & took my
big dog Papi with me in the co-pilot*s seat. The trip involved four drives,
each ranging from ten minutes to three hours; three waits in ferry lineups,
from ten minutes each to one hour; & three ferry rides, two of ten minutes,
one of two hours. i left after work in the afternoon, & didn*t arrive till
11:30 at night, but got a warm welcome anyway. Tired as i was, we just HAD
to stay up for hours gabbing & planning the week.
& gabbing was 3/4 of what made the trip fun. Last time i saw these people,
we were in a flurry of concert travel & neck injury, so we only saw enuf of
each other to know that we*d want to get together again sometime.
But this time, we had time to talk, & laugh, to watch Bound, & Twister & not
enuf Melissa videos, to compare fotos & make blowups of the ones we liked,
to eat out lots & drink coffee together. & to laugh. i tell ya. What a funny
bunch. Laughed enuf for a year, just in that week. Lynn can tell a story
like you wouldn*t believe. i can still see her at the bottom of the pool,
looking up at her bathing suit. & the poor waittress who had to serve us in
Denny*s, none of us were drunk, but i*m sure she thot we were. We just
couldn*t stop laughing. Cherry pop makes Lynn*s funny side come out.
Now, i*m trying to get them all to come here sometime. i miss them so much
already. i live on a small island, in the boonies, there*d be no action,
like in Seattle, but i think we*d have a gas just the same. i know if i
lived in Seattle, i*d have a good new set of friends to hang with. i*d love
to have them here, to show them off to people, & to show them my lovely island !
Anyway, i had such a nice time, i just HAD to tell you all about it. We had
a great Ellen party, organized by Sheri, in a restaurant. i LOVED the show,
& can*t wait to see it again. The restaurant was kinda noisy, & i found
myself relying on the closed captioning for most of it. i loved watching
Melissa*s enthusiastic stamping of Ellen*s papers. Will definatley rewind
that a few times.
i just loved hanging out with Sooz & SueD & Sheri & Lynn. Total strangers
now feel like total friends. At one point on our way to the Ellen show, i
was comfortably ensconced between the two Sues in the back seat, Sheri was
competently driving, Lynn was making us laugh, & i felt this very strong
urge to cry, for about an hour as we bombed around, & i got thrown against
first one sue, then the other. i was so happy there. Why was i cwying ? (eh
?, Lynn ?) i think i was just so happy & comfortable with these people, i
was having so much fun, i was being totally myself, & the next day i was
leaving all this behind.
i*m tellin* ya. Visiting with these people has changed my life, & i thank
them all, including the ones i was too shy to talk to at the Ellen thing.
That was just such a fun week, i*m walking around like my feet are not on
the ground, &
i WILL NEVER BE THE SAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers to all, from barb in the boonies !
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Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 16:34:12 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* MLE blurb from KFOG's "Fogtracks"
yesterday, i received my latest issue of "Fogtracks", KFOG's
quarterly newsletter, and there was a blurb about MLE's cow
palace show, included in paul marszalek's "a note from
the P.D." column, entitled "Fogheads: A Cut Above" (KFOG's
charitable projects). i've included the introductory paragraph, as
well.
"With the vast majority of radio stations in the Bay Area having
become little more than glorified jukeboxes, it has always been
important for us at KFOG to be good 'corporate citizens' as well
as a source for entertainment. It's extremely gratifying when we
can team up with listeners to make a significant difference in the
community."
- - snip -
"Melissa Etheridge finished up our year with her headlining
performance at KFOG's 11th Annual Concert for Kids. More than
$20,000 in cash was donated to Bay Area Boys and Girls Clubs
and Youth Advocates Huckleberry House. Additionally,
Fogheads donated literally a truckload of toys to the Marine
Corps Toys for Tots program. The 8,000-plus toys again made
Toys for Tots the single largest toy drive in Northern California."
the column is accompanied by a picture of MLE from the cow
palace show.
*rhondda*
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Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 20:51:03 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* MLE at CAA's Ellen party
i found the following MLE mention in army archerd's gossip
column
(http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/970502/entertainment/stories/people_archerd_7.html):
>ARCHERD: Poitier Back From Bahamas, Stars Toast Ellen
>
>By Army Archerd, Daily Variety Senior Columnist
>CAA'S party for (client) Ellen DeGeneres and a live screening of
>the show plus Primetime Live Wednesday filled the agency
>theater and atrium. Yes, Anne Heche was there with Ellen. And
>Laura Dern (who guest starred in the episode) was with Billy
>Bob Thornton, plus Melissa Etheridge (also in the episode) and
>Julie Cypher, Nathan Lane, Amy Heckerling, Sheryl Crow,
>Catherine Keener, Kathy Najimy, Shirley MacLaine, Jonathan
>Silverman, Griffin Dunne, Peter Gallagher.
>
>CAA's Kevin Huvane toasted DeGeneres for her "courage" and
>promised "support." There were supporters there from almost
>every studio-production company as well.
*rhondda*
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etheridge-digest Tuesday, May 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 062
*etheridge* nuptual update.....
*etheridge* Advocate
*etheridge* Ellen Finally Comes
*etheridge* Janis Movie
*etheridge* Ellen script signed by ME up for bid
*etheridge* Advocate -Reply
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* nuptual update.....
Okay childrens...I just thought I'd let those of you who expressed an
interest know, my wedding's been moved. It's now June 20 (was June 13).
Still Gasworks Park. Still around 8pm-ish.
Sorry to bother all of you, but I can't find the addys of those who wanted to
attend.
Dawn
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 22:31:18 -0400
From: Sue Molyneaux
Subject: *etheridge* Advocate
>From the May 13, 1997 issue of the Advocate:
Melissa Etheridge: Although filming of the Janis Joplin biopic in which
Etheridge is set to star was scheduled to begin this spring, those plans
have been postponed. For the time being, the rock queen, along with
co-mom Julia Cypher, is bringing up baby.
I'm starting to wonder if Melissa will actually be in the film, if they
will go for someone else, or if this film will drop out of the race.
Drag, I was really interested in seeing what magic Julie could create
for Melissa.
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Sue -- email: [email protected]
Janis -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7991/
Melissa -- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/7990/
Grrrl Dollz -- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8647/
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Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 19:57:39 PDT
From: "Vicky Adair"
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen Finally Comes
Thought everyone might be interested in reading this. Funny even when she tells
the truth people have to still deny it.
Reprinted without permission from Mr. Showbiz
>>Thursday, May 1, 1997
Ellen Finally Come Out
After months of hype, it finally happened. On Wednesday night, ABC-TV sitcom
character Ellen Morgan acknowledged she was a lesbian, becoming the first gay
lead character on a prime-time show. And across the country, thousands of gays
and lesbians cheered her on, leading to what has been described as the biggest
coming-out party in history. GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation)
held fund-raisers in several cities, including New York, San Francisco, and
Washington, D.C., and organized 1,500 "Come out with Ellen" parties in homes all
over the U.S. In Birmingham, Alabama, where the local ABC affiliate refused to
carry the Ellen episode, an organization called Birmingham Pride Alabama showed
the program at a local auditorium. In an editorial on Thursday, the New York
Times commended the episode for its "wit and poignancy," saying it "should help
defuse the antagonism toward homosexuals still prevalent in society." But not
everyone was happy about Ellen's newfound identity. A group calling itself
Americans for Truth About Homosexuality gathered in front of ABC's Washington
bureau Wednesday night, protesting the network's decision to air the outing.
They carried signs with messages such as "Homosexual Behavior Is Wrong" and
"Ellen Is Confused Not Gay." After a brief press conference, they called it a
night and went home.
The episode capped months of "will she or won't she?" speculation
about the show's star, Ellen DeGeneres, who announced that she was a
lesbian last month. And just as interest in the coming-out segment began to
wane, Volcano star Anne Heche acknowledged last week that she is DeGeneres's
lover, creating a whole new flurry of interest. It seemed to have worked.
Preliminary ratings show that more than twice as many people as usual watched.
That's good news for the sitcom, which has yet to be renewed by ABC for another
season.<<
I wanted to say after seeing the show Wednesday night, I came to work alot
prouder and alot more open. I was fired from my last job of 3 years working for
Contra Costa County after they found out I was gay, so I have been very cautious
as to whom I come out to now that I have another great job. I have never hidden
the fact, but I never told anyone at work either. After Ellen aired and there
were people all over the office talking about it, I made my feelings clear and
precise and if anyone asks I WILL TELL! Thanks Ellen and Melissa for letting us
all feel a little braver after witnessing how brave you both are.
Vicky
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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:32:45 -0500
From: "Patty Kolakowski"
Subject: *etheridge* Janis Movie
Hi,
The May 13, 1997 issue of the Advocate has an article about famous out
women. They were listing upcoming events for each person and for Melissa
they said she was to start filming a movie about Janis Joplin this spring,
but it had been postponed?? Has anybody heard anything about this?
Just Wondering,
pk
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen script signed by ME up for bid
One of the items in the TJ Martell Foundation auction this year is a signed
script from the Ellen coming out episode. It's signed by Ellen DeGeneres &
the other principal players along with Oprah Winfrey, Laura Dern, kd lang,
Demi Moore, Billy Bob Thornton & of course Melissa Etheridge. The high bid at
this time is $5100!! Wish I could afford that! If anyone wants to take a look
at the other items up for bid, check out
http://www.streammedia.com/auctionline/
Susan
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 00:26:57 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* Advocate -Reply
Sue Molyneaux said:
>From the May 13, 1997 issue of the Advocate:
>
>Melissa Etheridge: Although filming of the Janis Joplin biopic in
>which Etheridge is set to star was scheduled to begin this
>spring, those plans have been postponed. For the time being,
>the rock queen, along with co-mom Julia Cypher, is bringing up
>baby.
>
>I'm starting to wonder if Melissa will actually be in the film, if
>they will go for someone else, or if this film will drop out of the
>race. Drag, I was really interested in seeing what magic Julie
>could create for Melissa.
OTOH, The Advocate, like most monthly/bi-weekly magazines,
could have hopelessly out-of-date information, especially when
compared to what we can get from the daily news or the internet.
if i recall from our previous discussions on the list, wasn't the
movie postponed until june or july? or at least the filming of the
performance portions?
FWIW, this seems to be corroborated in this week's E! On-line's
"Dotted Line" column
(http://www.eonline.com/News/Dotted/index.html):
>Dotted Line
>by Tom Tapp
>
>Week of May 5
>
>Even though there's a similar project in the works, Paramount
>and Lakeshore are going ahead with their own version of a
>Janis Joplin pic. This one will star singer Melissa Etheridge as
>the late, loud-mouthed singing legend. Etheridge hopes to
>begin belting out the role this summer.
yeah, it's gossip, and it's certainly not definitive, but at least it's
somewhat better than the pessimistic view reported by The
Advocate.
optimistically crossing my fingers...:-)
*rhondda*
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etheridge-digest Wednesday, May 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 063
*etheridge* Re: Melissa Withdrawal
*etheridge* Ellen and Anne Heche
*etheridge* NMEC--RUNAWAY TEEN IN SAN DIEGO AREA
*etheridge* Let's get Mel into the Top 100 Internet Chart
RE: *etheridge* PNW Ellen get-together - vlmec
*etheridge* Missing MLE
*etheridge* Ellen on Oprah
*etheridge* a little story
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 8:31:47 EDT
From: "Jane Vaughn"
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Melissa Withdrawal
Morning Melisters!
Just wondering who else is in Melissa withdrawal? I have to feel I am
not The Only One!
I have to also admire someone who will throw up a huge red stop light on
life to be with the one she loves!
It must be wonderful to be loved that much.
To know that someone will put their entire life on hold to stay with you
and love you.
All I have to say is Julie is one lucky lady in more ways than one.
Unselfish love!
How beautiful!
How truly unigue and wonderful.
As if angels touched the earth and set two hearts on fire so never would
they have to walk alone again.
Unconditional love.
Love with no boundaries.
Love that reaches beyond what eyes can see and touches the heart.
Love that completes a single soul and makes it whole.
Love that reaches in and takes away the chill and replaces it with all
the warmth that one has within.
Love that travels through time and the universe to the stars above and
can't help showering down to the earth below and blessing the people it
touches.
Love we all search for.
Some find it.
Some let it slip away.
Some, unfortunately never see it until it walks out the door and into
the arms of someone else.
Take a look and see if it is next to you this day.
If it is, tell the person how you feel and give "Thanks"
You are one of the lucky ones as well.
If it slipped away in the cold dark night, have hope.
For one day when you least expect it you may get a second chance so keep
your heart open.
Be not bitter at the world. Love is all around. It might show up when
you least expect it. Don't put chains on your heart and don't lock the
door.
For it is a cold world without it.
And as for Melissa withdrawal, well there is Joyces book and it was sent
with lots of warmth and love.
And always, yes always, there is the music.
And where there is such great music there is bound to be love.
Here's hoping the music through an open window will bring love calling
to you each and everyone of you today.
Much, Much, Warmth,
"POOH"
[email protected]
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:54:52 -0400
From: CJ
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen and Anne Heche
On May 5th, [email protected] wrote:
> "Ms. Heche, on the otherhand doesn't play lesbians, either..."
Au contrair, Ms. Heche has played the lesbian role... check out "Wild
Side" with Christopher Walken and Joan Chen.
She might not have been one, but she's played one in the movies!
CJ
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:09:33 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC--RUNAWAY TEEN IN SAN DIEGO AREA
ATTN: REPLY VIA PERSONAL EMAIL *ONLY*
Would *anyone* in the San Diego area *please* contact me if
you are willing to recieve the description of a runaway teen
*or* possibly distribute 'Missing' posters in campus areas
and high-traffic areas!! The 15 year old daughter of a friend
has left Indiana and it is suspected that she's in the SD area.
Contact me at one of the following addresses:
[email protected] --or--
[email protected]
*Any* help would be greatly appreciated!!!
jen
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:51:03 -0300
From: "Sabine Michael"
Subject: *etheridge* Let's get Mel into the Top 100 Internet Chart
Hi Melisters!
Every once in a while I get this top 100 list of the Inertnet Charts and
usually delete it very quickly . I only voted once, but I think its
interesting to have a look at the internet tendencies.
This time I had a closer look at the charts (and I think for the first
time) searching for Melissa's albums.
What a surprise no one of them!! (or did I not see it??)
Well peolple I think we should and could do something about it.
Well ppl, let's get it (/them) on !
S.Michael
Here goes the msg:
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> Internet Albums Top 100 Edition 71 - Week 19 - May 5,
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> TW LW NW Artist - Title Label/Publisher HI
ID
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> 1 1 7 Collective Soul - Disciplined Breakdown Atlantic/WEA 1
[1515]
> 2 4^ 71 Michael Jackson - HIStory Epic/Sony 1
[1012]
> 3 5^ 25 Spice Girls - Spice Virgin/EMI 1
[1398]
> 4 2 48 Def Leppard - Slang Mercury 2
[1232]
> 5 3 10 U2 - Pop Island/Polygram 3
[1491]
> 6 6 54 3T - Brotherhood Epic/Sony 4
[1162]
> 7 8^ 13 David Bowie - Earthling RCA/BMG 2
[1471]
> 8 10^ 7 Aerosmith - Nine Lives Columbia/Sony 8
[1511]
> 9 9 7 Bee Gees - Still Waters Polydor 9
[1512]
> 10 7 25 Prince/The Artist - Emancipation EMI 1
[1409]
> 11 11 64 Janet Jackson - Design of a Decade 1986/1996 A&M/Polydor 6
[1005]
> 12 13^ 8 Cyndi Lauper - Sisters of Avalon Sony 12
[1498]
> 13 12 53 No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom Trauma/Interscope 1
[1159]
> 14 14 47 Metallica - Load Mercury/Polygram 3
[1236]
> 15 15 27 Madonna & Antonio Banderas - Evita Maverick/Warner 6
[1375]
> 16 17^ 12 Blur - Blur Food/Parlophone/EMI 16
[1478]
> 17 19^ 30 Sheryl Crow - Sheryl Crow A&M/PGD 9
[1346]
> 18 16 71 Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill Maverick/Sire 1
[1011]
> 19 20^ 71 Roxette - Don't Bore Us, Get to the... EMI/EMI Music 1
[1026]
> 20 18 23 Bush - Razorblade Suitcase Interscope/BMG 15
[1431]
> 21 23^ 42 Toni Braxton - Secrets Arista/BMG 10
[1247]
> 22 22 59 Celine Dion - Falling Into You Columbia/Sony 1
[1177]
> 23 34* 10 Various Artists - Lost Highway: SoundtrackInterscope/Uni 18
[1489]
> 24 21 33 REM - New Adventures in Hi-Fi Warner/WEA 6
[1331]
> 25 24 71 Mariah Carey - Daydream Columbia/Sony 1
[1001]
> 26 27^ 41 Backstreet Boys - Backstreet Boys Jive/Zomba 26
[1225]
> 27 28^ 58 Sepultura - Roots Roadrunner/Edel 16
[1186]
> 28 25 71 Queen - Made in Heaven Parlophone/EMI Music 1
[1015]
> 29 32^ 34 Pet Shop Boys - Bilingual Parlophone/EMI 17
[1318]
> 30 26 71 Oasis - Morning Glory ? Creation/Sony 2
[1024]
> 31 33^ 68 Shania Twain - Woman in Me Mercury 26
[1037]
> 32 29 60 Radiohead - The Bends Parlophone 7
[1172]
> 33 31 49 Pantera - The Great Southern Trendkill Elektra/Warner 10
[1224]
> 34 44^ 69 Garbage - Garbage Mushroom/BMG 8
[1124]
> 35 35 71 Pink Floyd - P.U.L.S.E. Pulse 8/EMI Music 1
[1091]
> 36 37^ 35 Beck - Odelay Geffen/Universal 30
[1249]
> 37 30 25 Celine Dion - Live a Paris Columbia/Sony 30
[1396]
> 38 40^ 9 Live - Secret Samadhi Radioactive/MCA 30
[1497]
> 39 77* 3 Depeche Mode - Ultra Epitaph/Pias 39
[1551]
> 40 45^ 23 Counting Crows - Recovering the Satellites Geffen/Uni 40
[1372]
> 41 36 21 Smashing Pumpkins - The Aeroplane Flies High Cema/Virgin 31
[1445]
> 42 47^ 26 Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar Interscope/Uni 34
[1374]
> 43 39 12 Silverchair - Freak Show Columbia/Sony 34
[1472]
> 44 56^ 52 Cranberries - To The Faithful Departed Island/Mercury 7
[1212]
> 45 57^ 71 Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie Virgin 2
[1010]
> 46 43 26 Jewel - Pieces of You Atlantic/WEA 27
[1266]
> 47 58^ 64 Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral TVT/Interscope 12
[1148]
> 48 53^ 66 Tori Amos - Boys for Pele Atlantic/Warner 5
[1135]
> 49 60^ 18 Various Artists - Romeo & Juliet: SoundtrackCapitol/Cema 36
[1451]
> 50 52^ 50 George Michael - Older Virgin 1
[1223]
> 51 51 21 Enigma - Le Roi Est Mort, Vive le Roi Virgin/EMI 45
[1433]
> 52 41 25 Babyface - The Day Epic/Sony 24
[1397]
> 53 67^ 12 Offspring - Ixnay on the Hombre Epitaph/Sony 33
[1466]
> 54 61^ 21 Kiss - Greatest Kiss PolyGram 54
[1428]
> 55 54 28 The Cardigans - First Band on the MoonStockholm/Polygram 47
[1347]
> 56 80* 8 The Prodigy - Music f.t. Jilted Generation Pias 56
[1501]
> 57 38 71 Collective Soul - Collective Soul Atlantic/Warner 2
[1102]
> 58 50 64 Enya - Memory of Trees WB/Warner 4
[1021]
> 59 62^ 71 Pink Floyd - The Wall EMI/EMI Music 4
[1104]
> 60 42 69 Bon Jovi - Cross Road (The Best of) Mercury 40
[1060]
> 61 66^ 30 Kula Shaker - K Columbia/Sony 46
[1343]
> 62 55 34 Suede - Coming Up Nude/ 55
[1324]
> 63 49 45 Bryan Adams - 18 Till I Die Polydor/A&M 31
[1239]
> 64 46 6 Veruca Salt - Eight Arms to Hold You Outpost/Uni 46
[1513]
> 65 59 5 Amanda Marshall - Amanda Marshall Epic/Sony 59
[1302]
> 66 82^ 19 Mark Owen - Green Man RCA/BMG 57
[1448]
> 67 64 13 Jamiroquai - Travelling Without Moving Sony 58
[1333]
> 68 63 40 Jars of Clay - Jars of Clay Jive/BMG 40
[1280]
> 69 81^ 22 Korn - Life Is Peachy Epic/Sony 43
[1370]
> 70 78^ 26 The Beatles - Anthology 3 Parlophone/EMI 16
[1382]
> 71 65 8 LeAnn Rimes - Unchained Melody: The Early Years WEA 51
[1487]
> 72 68 10 Wallflowers - Bringing Down the Horse Uni/Interscope 50
[1456]
> 73 70 30 Nirvana - From the Muddy Banks of the... Geffen/BMG 28
[1345]
> 74 69 17 112 - 112 60
[1326]
> 75 76^ 12 Various Artists - Trainspotting: Soundtrack 75
[1301]
> 76 48 61 Bon Jovi - These Days Mercury 31
[1032]
> 77 88^ 26 Weezer - Pinkerton Geffen/BMG 68
[1341]
> 78 84^ 28 Gin Blossoms - Congratulations I'm Sorry A&M/Polydor 64
[1169]
> 79 95^ 2 INXS - Elegantly Wasted Mercury 79
[1552]
> 80 71 28 Tool - Aenima BMG 32
[1362]
> 81 86^ 71 Seal - Seal ZTT/Warner 27
[1054]
> 82 87^ 55 Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling towards Ecstasy Nettwerk/ 32
[1157]
> 83 99^ 15 311 - 311 Capricorn 56
[1273]
> 84 75 36 Pearl Jam - No Code Epic/Sony 16
[1299]
> 85 85 64 AC/DC - Ballbreaker East West/Warner 21
[1041]
> 86 73 4 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - The Boatman's CallWarner/WEA 73
[1504]
> 87 93^ 29 Iron Maiden - Best of the Beast Castle/ 39
[1348]
> 88 -^ 1 Tricky - Pre-Millenium Tension Island/Mercury 88
[1443]
> 89 -^ 1 Machinehead - The More Things Change RR/Roadrunner 89
[1529]
> 90 72 2 Maxwell - Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite Sony 72
[1306]
> 91 83 10 Mansun - Attack of the Grey Lantern Parlophone/EMI 71
[1490]
> 92 89 4 Real McCoy - One More Time RCA/BMG 89
[1540]
> 93 -^ 5 Tina Turner - Wildest Dreams Parlophone/EMI 64
[1195]
> 94 79 12 Space - Spiders Gut/ 59
[1342]
> 95 -^ 1 The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole Virgin 95
[1564]
> 96 74 8 Jean-Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13 Epic/Sony 66
[1492]
> 97 91 2 911 - The Journey Virgin 91
[1506]
> 98 -^ 1 Michael Learns to Rock - Paint My Love: Greatest HitsEMI 98
[1561]
> 99 97 3 Various Artists - The Saint: Soundtrack Virgin 97
[1541]
> 100 90 55 Fugees - The Score Columbia/Sony 24
[1168]
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> Dropped Out:
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> 92 19 Slayer - Undisputed Attitude WB/Warner 48
[1240]
> 94 3 Eternal - Before the Rain 1st Avenue/EMI 94
[1520]
> 96 7 Moist - Creature EMI 60
[1353]
> 98 2 The Notorious B.I.G. - Life after Death Arista/BMG 98
[1539]
> 100 2 Erasure - Cowboy Maverick/Warner 92
[1544]
>
> The following albums have not yet received enough points to enter the
chart:
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:45:54 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: RE: *etheridge* PNW Ellen get-together - vlmec
Barb wrote:
Well, i also have a rubber stamp of a dancing skeleton that i just love.
So i had the guy drawit up, then blow it up to fit my upper arm.
Well, he outlined it in black, then highlighted it with red & yellow, &
i*m
just thrilled with it.
I can attest to the utter coolness of that piece of art on her arm!!!
She was kind enough to show it to me at the Ellen shindig. Thanks Barb.
It was nice see some of the faces that correspond with the posts I read
>here.
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Missing MLE
I sure am glad I have lots of videos and clips of Melissa taped, it seems
like it has been so long since I was at the concerts last fall (I went to 8
last year).
It was great seeing her on Ellen and Oprah (taped), but I miss the touring
and new videos, new songs, etc.
I'm going to wear out my cd player and vcr!!!
Hope something happens yet this year.
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:54:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Ellen on Oprah
Does anyone have a copy of the Oprah episode?? We lost power and mine didn't
get recorded? Please email me at Nifer68! Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:06:57 +0000
From: "~The Saint~"
Subject: *etheridge* a little story
Hi all!
I have funny story:) Today I was really angry at another list I'm
on for Jewel and wrote this great big good bye. (because they aren't
as cool as MLE listers) So I wrote that they were a waste of time
and effort to even get my emails. I mentioned that I'm on list list
and that it's way better. I got a big responce and several people
asked how they get on ths list.
Sorry I just found it a little funny and wanted to share:)
Oh yeah, I was also wondering...I'm a lonely MLE fan up here in my
small town and can never get anything on Melissa. Liked tape stuff
or shows about her. DOes anyone have anything they'd be williing to
tape for me. I'd be forever grateful and you could have my first
born child, (except that I'm not having any kids..but don't tell
anyone;)
Love always,
Stephanie St. Amand
www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3028
www.angelfire.com/ca/bridgadoa/index.html
May the wind always be at your back and the ground under foot.
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etheridge-digest Thursday, May 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 064
*etheridge* BAB, MLE Photos & Misc Ravings of a Demented Individual
*etheridge* Re: Melissa Withdrawal
*etheridge* Thank you for phone call
Re: *etheridge* MLE on Ellen
Re: *etheridge* Ellen
Re: *etheridge* Ellen
*etheridge* A little question.
RE: *etheridge* A little question.
*etheridge* better late than never PNW wrap up
Re: *etheridge* better late than never PNW wrap up
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
*etheridge* It's a scary world we live in...
*etheridge* Re: It's a scary world we live in...
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
*etheridge* Melissa was voted out :(
*etheridge* hope for melissa?
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:14:58 +0800
From: mardi
Subject: *etheridge* BAB, MLE Photos & Misc Ravings of a Demented Individual
Hey peoples...over the next week or so we are updating the Velvet Janes
pages and on them we will be, at last, displaying the photos from our trip
to CA last year..these include: the notorious John Miller acting very
strangely will a G string and a big purple ball, the 'welcome to San Jose'
party pictures and numerous other ones from in and around the daily lives of
our BAB friends. Also we scanned a few Melissa related ones..the signed
album cover in Dukes and the promotional stuff for YLS on Sunset Boulevard.
I will let you know when they are there definately...trying to catch up with
my life at the moment!
Also, to all of you who have ordered cds they are all now in the
mail...should be arriving on your door soon, please let me know when they
get there. Thanks.
Hope everyone is well ....
Mardi
(who is heading into Winter and who believes every day should be 'say no' to
diet day)
The Velvet Janes
(http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/7848/
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 07:48:13 -0700
From: Suzanne Glass
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Melissa Withdrawal
Hi All,
I was reading the two posts on Melissa withdrawl and missing ME. Pooh's
post, as always, was so eloquent! :-) I know what you guys are talking
about, it would be great to hear/see some new stuff! But I was struck
with the feeling that Melissa surely deserves this time off. She has
been relentlessly on the road and in the studio, not to mention all
the PR requirements put on her. Being a musician myself, I know it
can be really hard on a person personally, even if one loves that
life. And here is the good part: Having some quiet time off will give
her the energy and inspiration to write incredible new songs!! So, I
bet if we are patient, it will be _well_ worth the wait! :-)
Take care,
Suzanne
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:25:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: [email protected] (Joe Vitale)
Subject: *etheridge* Thank you for phone call
I just wanted to thank the kind woman who called me
yesterday to tell me where Carolyn Wonderland was
performing next. The caller didn't have my e-mail
address, but looked me up and left a phone message
for me. Since she didn't leave her phone number and
I'm not sure who she is, I'm thanking her publicly.
I *really* appreciate your call.
Thanks again,
Joe :)
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:39:31 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* MLE on Ellen
At 09:31 AM 5/1/97 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>[email protected] asked: <and Ellen was SUPER, but
>where was the opening number? I thought Melissa was going to sing? Maybe on
>next week's show?>>
>
>That's the rumor that's flying on the AOL boards right now....that perhaps
>the "cut" opener will appear at the beginning of next week's show.
Like you, I've been hearing Joan Jett will do the opening tonight.
>For those who didn't see Oprah yesterday, a clip of Ellen and Melissa singing
>Ellen's "Coming Out Blues Song" was shown; it was pretty funny. I'm assuming
>this was the same "opening" song clip as was cut from last night's show--??
I doubt it; that clip was not on the set, appeared to be an impromptu sort
of thing... usually the guest singers perform the "Ellen" theme (Texas' "So
Called Friend."). I figure that ABC was just taking advantage of the
inflated ad rates, and squeezed another commercial in.
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:43:11 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen
At 08:05 PM 5/1/97 -0500, chris haddy wrote:
> I wanted to get people's opinion on something that I have been
>thinking about. I am a little confused about why last night's Ellen
>episode was turned into such an event. I realize it was a big deal, but
>why was that episode blown up so much considering the fact that there are a
>number of gay characters on TV shows now.
It's not only that she's a lead character. She's not someone the straight
community would expect to be gay. She's well-known, and a girl-next-door
type. More importantly, people *know* Ellen Morgan as a "normal" person,
and here they go making her gay! It just doesn't mesh with many people's
preconceptions. That's what I think all the fuss is about, and I couldn't
be more happy with Ellen D. for getting those folks thinking.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:59:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: [email protected] (Janis Delmonte)
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen
>
> At 08:05 PM 5/1/97 -0500, chris haddy wrote:
> > I wanted to get people's opinion on something that I have been
> >thinking about. I am a little confused about why last night's Ellen
> >episode was turned into such an event. I realize it was a big deal, but
> >why was that episode blown up so much considering the fact that there are a
> >number of gay characters on TV shows now.
>
To which Deb responded:
> It's not only that she's a lead character. She's not someone the straight
> community would expect to be gay. She's well-known, and a girl-next-door
> type. More importantly, people *know* Ellen Morgan as a "normal" person,
> and here they go making her gay! It just doesn't mesh with many people's
> preconceptions. That's what I think all the fuss is about, and I couldn't
> be more happy with Ellen D. for getting those folks thinking.
>
>
I agree and would like to add the fact that most (and I think all) of
the other characters are already gay when we meet them. This is the
first time we actually get to see the coming out process (although
it's condensed into an hour) It's a
process that is fundamental and unique to gay and lesbian people
and I just could not ignore seeing it on TV. That was a *big deal* to me.
- -Janis
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:42:04 -0200
From: Jennifer Sutton
Subject: *etheridge* A little question.
Hello all. I hardly ever write to this list but I try to read it when I can.
I think it's really great when Melissa fans can all come together and mesh.
Makes me think I'am not the only crazy, obsessed fan out there!! Anyway, the
reason for this post to to find out a leetle question that has been driving
me nuts for a couple of days. Sorry to you Melissa fans that want to talk
about nothing but Melissa but anyway...Here's the deal. On the Ellen
episode, who was the chick behind the counter with the glasses on? (Long,
brown hair) I thought it was Gina Gershon with longer hair, but I could -
and very well be mistaken. I seen the movie 'Bound' last weekend and
absolutly loved it! Gina Gershon has to be my new idol now!!! Hahaaha.
Anyway, I digress. If anybody wants to help me out on my little question
please do. Stay cool and keep rockin' to Melissa!
Jen S.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:40:40 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: RE: *etheridge* A little question.
You are correct. The cashier in Ellen's dream was none other than Gina
Gershon.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jennifer Sutton [SMTP:[email protected]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 1997 9:42 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: *etheridge* A little question.
>
>Hello all. I hardly ever write to this list but I try to read it when I can.
>I think it's really great when Melissa fans can all come together and mesh.
>Makes me think I'am not the only crazy, obsessed fan out there!! Anyway, the
>reason for this post to to find out a leetle question that has been driving
>me nuts for a couple of days. Sorry to you Melissa fans that want to talk
>about nothing but Melissa but anyway...Here's the deal. On the Ellen
>episode, who was the chick behind the counter with the glasses on? (Long,
>brown hair) I thought it was Gina Gershon with longer hair, but I could -
>and very well be mistaken. I seen the movie 'Bound' last weekend and
>absolutly loved it! Gina Gershon has to be my new idol now!!! Hahaaha.
>Anyway, I digress. If anybody wants to help me out on my little question
>please do. Stay cool and keep rockin' to Melissa!
>Jen S.
>
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:51:49 -0700
From: Sheri Yamada
Subject: *etheridge* better late than never PNW wrap up
Well, I won't go into ALL the details because I think Barb and Sooz
pretty much covered it so I'll just sum up the highlights.....
* Made the traditional stop, climb, and snap a picture in front of the
Troll
* Hung out in a tattoo parlor which was a new experience for me......and
yes, I still remain tattooless in Seattle.....However, Barb, SueD, and
Sooz did go under the needle
* Memorabilia shop - picked up some cool MLE pictures, posters, and hand
bills - I'm thoroughly into my MLE obsession.
* I was able to find out what happens when MLE, Indigo Girls, and
EllenD, list members get together.....the Ellen party was fun and had a
turn out of 30+ people
* 5 chicks take over Denny's....I'll have a Moons (laugh - snort -
laugh) Over (hee hee ha ha) My (laugh - wheeze - laugh) Ham.....(LAUGH -
cry - LAUGH!!)......Moons Over My Hammy (for those who are not familiar
with a Denny's menu, this is an egg, ham, and cheese breakfast
sandwich)!!!
* Sooz turns the big 30!!! Hmmmm is it just me or did Sooz's gifts
have a slight MLE theme? Surprise surprise!!! The 70's acid flashback
of the night was the Xanadu song. The scarier thing is that I have that
album...it's in the box with my Bay City Rollers album and Grease
soundtrack. 8-)
I think that's it, but I'm sure I forgot some details......Wednesday
night came all too quickly and we hugged our new friends goodbye. I
feel fortunate to have my path cross with these awesome and kind women
and I look forward to our next get together.
Take care one and all!
Sheri
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:45:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* better late than never PNW wrap up
Hi Sheri,
God reading your letter brings back fun memories for me. Hey I almost have
urge to dust off some of my old records. Bring back the good old days, and
that does not include disco that animal should stay dead.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:24:50 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
At 02:07 PM 5/4/97 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> That said, it is impossible to comment on the episode that aired
>Wednesday without also commenting on the media blitz that surrounded it,
>including the "courageous" or "disgusting" coming-out (depending on your
>personal viewpoint) of Ellen DeGeneres herself.
To be fair to Ellen, she consented to exactly 3 interviews: ABC (which
broke it into 2 parts, 20/20 and PrimeTime Live), TIME, and "Oprah." ABC
did some additional hyping, but as I watched it unfold, I thought that the
driving factor behind the media deluge was the discomfort of the general
public with the whole thing (as I discussed previously). The media which
fed on that discomfort and the ensuing controversy.
>For my part, I am far less
>impressed by Ellen DeGeneres' public disclosure than I am by that of her
>partner, Anne Heche.
Village Voice provides an interesting perspective in its May 13 issue,
speculating that Anne's "I wasn't gay before and may not be again" stance
is a hedge against the kind of gamble you think she's taking. That is,
people know she's been with a man before and could be again, so there's
less of a leap.
Personally, I think she's just a foolish young woman in love, unconcerned
with the consequences. She was foolish enough to hire managers that helped
her get great parts just because they were against her coming out (I think
any decent manager would have recommended against it).
>considers real courage to reside in the examples set by countless young
>high school students coming out to their friends and family every day and
>telling them, in effect, to deal with it and chill.
I've been saying that here and on other lists for a long time. In
particular, I tend to ask people who want stars to come out: so, I assume
you've told mom and dad and all your friends and co-workers, since you
think it's imperative that X tell the entire freaking world?!" I dare say
my coming out to family, friends, and co-workers had a larger impact on
them that Ellen's coming out ever could.
>IMHO, especially given
>the publicity considerations that were almost certainly the primary reason
>for it.
Regardless of the reason, you can't argue with quality, and I hope it
continues.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* It's a scary world we live in...
A friend sent this to me and I wanted to share it with all of you. Just a
reminder after all the positive feelings from the Ellen episode that
homophobia exists in a very dangerous way right in our own back yards.
"The legacy stops here."--ME
Katie
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Forwarded message:
From: [email protected] (FARIDA.SIDIQ)
To: [email protected]
Date: 97-05-07 11:26:18 EDT
Puppy, what the hell do you think of this?
I found a friend from a long time ago on the petition @ American
Airlines, and she forwarded this to me.
- ------- Forwarded Message
Follows -------Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jennifer Faust
To: aileen tien ,
suzanne meyer-seymor ,
JOLENE HUBBS ,
Marie Hoetzl ,
jen fordyce , farida
,
brice chidester ,
Joy Reheard
Subject: funny? scary? you decide. (fwd)
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:53:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Liza Frank
To: [email protected], [email protected],
Jennifer Faust ,
Crystal Butcher , [email protected],
[email protected], Sunshine ,
Jer Welter , Ericka Crouse ,
Jaina Hirai ,
Danielle Guillet ,
Ericka Crouse , mb
Subject: funny? scary? you decide. (fwd)
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"A heart can be broken, but it still keeps a beatin just the same"
FGT
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmony Chelsvig
To: Amy Wolff
Cc: Liza Frank
Subject: funny? scary? you decide. (fwd)
ridiculous....absolutly ridiculous...you just have to laugh...
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Casey
To: kate mason , rachel fleishman ,
michelle frazer ,
dorilona rose ,
harmony chelsvig ,
margaret maley ,
dave caputo
Subject: funny? scary? you decide. (fwd)
this can't be for real, right?
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Furor Erupts in Brigham City Schools <<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A.P. (Brigham city, Utah) -- The Brigham City School Board
>>>>>> met in an emergency session yesterday with the city council to
>>>>>> consider allegations that the school district's youngest
>>>>>> charges were being inculcated with a pro-gay ideology and
>>>>>> same-sex marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue arose after scores of parents complained that
>>>>>> children in the kindergarten class at Brigham Elementary were
>>>>>> being led in a game which mimicked same-sex marriages. At
>>>>>> issue was the game "The Farmer in the Dell."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Renee Mott, the accused kindergarten teacher, explained: "The
>>>>>> class is way over-balanced with girls. I mean, we have lots
>>>>>> more girls than boys. Sometimes it just happens that way, it's
>>>>>> just chance. So when we play "Farmer in the Dell, sometimes I
>>>>>> let a girl go first, so that everybody gets a turn."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem arises with the next line of the children's song:
>>>>>> "the farmer takes a wife." The girl-farmer would often choose
>>>>>> another little girl to join her in the circle as the "farmer's
>>>>>> wife."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This is just setting a bad example to our young and
>>>>>> impressionable children," said Jared Day, whose child is in
>>>>>> the class. "If you don't stand up for family values, this
>>>>>> country is going to go right down the toilet."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It's upsetting the natural order of things," concurred Lisa
>>>>>> Perkins, "and it's upsetting me, too." "It's like dragging
>>>>>> those innocent children down into a ditch. It's an outrage
>>>>>> that we can't protect our own children from that sort of
>>>>>> filth," said her husband, Wayne Perkins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I know these things may happen in other places," said
>>>>>> Janabell Millett. "But this is Brigham City. We can't let
>>>>>> that kind of pollution into our town. And into the
>>>>>> kindergarten, no less!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The extent of the furor over this issue can be gauged by the
>>>>>> number of town citizens who have got involved -- far more than
>>>>>> just the parents of students in the kindergarten class. At
>>>>>> the extraordinary joint session of the School Board and the
>>>>>> city council, over 200 parents and others showed up to voice
>>>>>> concerns, and petitions were submitted with hundreds of names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Somebody told us about this in Relief Society last Sunday,"
>>>>>> said Filene Dunnbody, referring to the Mormon women's weekly
>>>>>> church meeting. "We started the petition right then and
>>>>>> there. We just knew we had to take action; we were all so mad
>>>>>> about those poor little children. After we got everyone in
>>>>>> Relief Society to sign, we took it over to the men's quorums
>>>>>> and they were glad to sign on too. Even some of the youth
>>>>>> signed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was rumored that Mormon churches in neighboring towns were
>>>>>> gearing up to bus in hundreds more parents to the next School
>>>>>> Board meeting, should the issue not find an immediate
>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parents in Brigham City have organized an action committee,
>>>>>> and have stated that they will sue the school board and the
>>>>>> kindergarten teacher personally for psychic damage to their
>>>>>> children. They have asked a BYU Law School professor to
>>>>>> represent them in the case, and have already drafted a law for
>>>>>> the State legislature which would ban all play acting of
>>>>>> same-sex marriage in the public schools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When kindergarten teacher Renee Mott testified to the combined
>>>>>> school board and town council that the situation had come
>>>>>> about entirely innocently, her explanation was met with
>>>>>> pronounced scepticism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I just wanted all the children to have a turn," she
>>>>>> concluded, visibly shaken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I don't care how "innocent" this thing started," responded
>>>>>> LeClare Moffatt, speaking for the combined council. "If not
>>>>>> all the students get a turn, that's just too bad. There are
>>>>>> more important issues at stake here."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The farmer has to be a boy," concurred Mayor Tom Merrill. "A
>>>>>> boy gets picked first. That's the way we always played the
>>>>>> game, and that's the way it should be played. You might as
>>>>>> well get used to it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The extraordinary joint session of parents and school board
>>>>>> dismissed after reaching a tentative solution. Regardless of
>>>>>> class sex ratios, boys would be picked first. However, in the
>>>>>> interests of fairness, the position of "the Cheese" would be
>>>>>> reserved for a girl. At the end of the game, the children
>>>>>> sing "the Cheese stands alone, the cheese stands alone. Hi ho
>>>>>> the dairy-O, the cheese stands alone."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "That should be enough to make anyone happy," concluded school
>>>>>> board president Jack Peterson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C. K. Woodworth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A.P. remote correspondent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Pitsch
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>
>>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:55:19 -0700
From: John Miller
Subject: *etheridge* Re: It's a scary world we live in...
On Wed, 7 May 1997 at 16:36:06 (EDT) Katie , wrote:
>A friend sent this to me and I wanted to share it with all of you. Just
>a reminder after all the positive feelings from the Ellen episode that
>homophobia exists in a very dangerous way right in our own back yards.
While the story may seem believable, it's a hoax. No such thing happened.
The apparent Associated Press release has been checked by several of us
who recieved nearly a dozen of these forwarded things on numerous lists,
and AP says they never published a news release on this subject.
John Miller
San Jose CA
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:44:43 +0000
From: Lis Baccigaluppi
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
Deb wrote:
>Village Voice provides an interesting perspective in its May 13 issue,
>speculating that Anne's "I wasn't gay before and may not be again" stance
>is a hedge against the kind of gamble you think she's taking. That is,
>people know she's been with a man before and could be again, so there's
>less of a leap.
That's kind of what I was thinking, but then I was also trying to convince
myself not to be so judgemental. (even though I didn't believe her about
never having thought about women before.)
>She was foolish enough to hire managers that helped
>her get great parts just because they were against her coming out (I think
>any decent manager would have recommended against it).
I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you explain? (about the managers
helping her get great parts just because they were against her coming out.)
On a different note, if there are any listers in Eugene, you should really
go see Melissa Ferrick at John Henry's tonight. I saw her in Portland on
Sunday, and she was amazing! (I'm suffering Melissa Ferrick withdrawal still.)
Lis
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:17:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa was voted out :(
On the MrShowbiz site (http://www.MrShowbiz.com/) in the section called the
"Water Cooler" the following question was asked:
There are two Biopics in the making for Janis Joplin, who would you
rather see
play the part of Joplin: Lili Taylor or Melissa Etheridge.
This was on May 2nd, everyone got to cast a vote and I thought for sure that
Melissa would have it wrapped! When I went back today to check to scores, I
was SHOCKED!! ----------> Lili Taylor with 2051 votes 53.9%
Melissa Etheridge with 1756 votes 46.1%
Total votes were 3807
I hope this is does not reflect what Hollywood feels!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can not
see how anyone would not think Melissa..........1) Deserves this!!!!! 2)
Would be a hit with it!!!!
I don't think I've ever heard of this Lili Taylor, who is she????????
Peace, Love and Happiness,
"Stevie" <--------- 2nd time I've ever delurked (typing this
with "PRIDE") :)
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:51:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Allison Fraiberg
Subject: *etheridge* hope for melissa?
Since Melissa is home now, gving us little official to discuss, and
undoubtedly looking for *something* to do , I thought this little
notice might give her something quite useful to do, given our always
fun-loving FashionReport (tm)...perhaps she can sign up?
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Who knows? Perhaps we can all find out about the myterious material
constituting the black pants?
Just for laughs,
Allison
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 01:14:17 -0400
From: David Johnson
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere (fwd)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 07:20:58 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
Hi folks,
with all peace, please let me offer some helpful information for folks
who want to continue the Ellen/Anne discussion:
[email protected]
the just type in "subscribe ellen" with nothing in the subject
heading. You will love this group, great people and you'll get this
stuff in your mailbox every day.
Hope this helps! : )
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etheridge-digest Friday, May 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 065
*etheridge* Non-existant AP release (Thank the Gods!!)
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #64
*etheridge* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
*etheridge* Vote for Melissa!
*etheridge* Melissa String Story...
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 04:45:23 PDT
From: "Deborah Alley"
Subject: *etheridge* Non-existant AP release (Thank the Gods!!)
good morning listers!!
It's 7;30 am and I'm only on my second cup of coffee, so bear with me! The
thought that an ENTIRE TOWN +++ would get so bent outta shape over a childs game
is absolutely outrageous!! Although this may not have really happened, the
prejudices of the Mormons in Utah has made the news before.....anyone remember
the high school student who wanted to start a club for gays & lesbians??? The
school board voted to eliminate ALL extra-curricular clubs rather than allow
this ONE for gay & lesbian youth. I remember watching that young lady on the
numerous talk-shows she was on and applauding her courage. As you see, those
of the Mormon faith have no love for homosexuals. I did not imagine , though,
that their paranoia would extend all the way to kindergarden!! How ridiculous
to think that playing Farmer in the Dell would "promote" same-sex marriage!! I
realize that it takes all kinds to make our world tick, but , people like those
who would say such a thing ( it HAD to come from somewhere)
are truly frightening. These are the people who teach their children
intolerance, prejudice and hate. Things that our global community does not need
to pass on to the next generations!!
OK....enough of my early morning ramblings........I have a habit of saying what
I think .
Teach Peace. Stay Strong. Speak True.
have a good day, friends!!
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:11:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aaron Morrison
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #64
Janis wrote:
>I agree and would like to add the fact that most (and I think all) of
>the other characters are already gay when we meet them. This is the
>first time we actually get to see the coming out process (although
>it's condensed into an hour) It's a
>process that is fundamental and unique to gay and lesbian people
>and I just could not ignore seeing it on TV. That was a *big deal* to me.
That's one thing I love about the whole Ellen coming out thing; it showed
coming out as it really is -- a PROCESS that can be very hard, but is
usually worth it in the long run. I think a lot of straight people tend to
take coming out for granted -- I've heard coments like "Well, if all gay
people want to come out of the closet, why don't they just do it?" It's not
always that simple and easy. I came out to my mother the night of the Ellen
episode, and it took an aweful lot of determination for me to muster up
enough courage to say "I'm gay" and it was pretty weird there for a little
while, but I'm glad I did it. I am in the process of coming out -- some
people know, some people don't, some suspect, some have no idea. I'm not
going to come out to everyone all at once, but each time I advance further
in the process I feel better about myself.
Ok, enough rambling for right now. :)
Aaron!
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Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:24:37 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Check out the Mr. Showbiz site today and help MLE on her way to the R&R
Hall of Fame.
http://www.mrshowbiz.com
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 12:15:39 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Ellen, Ellen everywhere
At 10:44 PM 5/7/97 +0000, Lis Baccigaluppi wrote:
>Deb wrote:
>>She was foolish enough to hire managers that helped
>>her get great parts just because they were against her coming out (I think
>>any decent manager would have recommended against it).
>
>I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you explain? (about the managers
>helping her get great parts just because they were against her coming out.)
Bad syntax all around here. Let me try again :)
"She was foolish enough to fire managers who had helped her get great
parts, just because they were against her coming out (I think any decent
manager would have recommended against it)."
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Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:49:22 -0400
From: Sue Molyneaux
Subject: *etheridge* Vote for Melissa!
Hi all
Mr. Showbiz at http://www.mrshowbiz.com/ has a little poll running. Who
has the staying power to make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? So
far, Madonna is well in the lead, with Melissa trailing behind. Go and
vote for Melissa now! Swamp that sucker!
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Subject: *etheridge* Melissa String Story...
Hey there!
Thought you all might enjoy reading about my "up close and personal"
Melissa story, so I put it online! Hope you'll drop by...
http://smalldog.com/h/melissa.html
...it was quite a night!
Take care,
Laura
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etheridge-digest Saturday, May 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 066
*etheridge* Re: Here's To Mom
*etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd)
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #65--Mormons
*etheridge* Indigo Girls on CNN
*etheridge* "Take Time"
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*etheridge* Our Little Secret Book
Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd) -Reply
*etheridge* ME Bootleg from '92
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 9:19:31 EDT
From: "Jane Vaughn"
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Here's To Mom
Good Morning Melisters!
As the sun comes up on yet another spring morning on bear mountain, I am
reminded of mom and all the moms out there who do love us so.
I remember sitting for hours in a field picking the perfect bunch of
babytears and violets to give mom on mothers day.
So proud was I to give her this gift.
So lovingly did she receive them.
Melissa and Julie share a new life and one day those violets and
dandelion bouquets will grace their outstretched hands as they reach for
tiny hands to bestow such humble gifts. And I am gonna jump out here and
say that this will be one of many little gifts that will be remembered
and treasured till the end of the journey of life.
As will be the beautiful coloring book pictures hanging on the fridge.
The tiny handprints placed in paint and given to mom. And how proud that
moment will be for them for such a gift cannot be bought or sold only
loved forever and kept in the pages of their memories.
Ahh! Mom!
The one who wipes our tears away when we scrape our knee. Who tells us
about santa claus and the easter rabbit and the tooth fairy and who holds
us when we need love and attention. Who in sickness knows how to make the
best chicken soup in the world and who checks our fevered brow and wipes
it with a cool cloth and places a kiss gently on our cheek.
Who when our heart gets broken for the very first time is always there
to say this to will heal though her own heart is broken to see us hurt so
badly.
Who fills us with courage and strength and says: "Can't never did
anything, you are a child of mine and I have faith that there is no
mountain you cannot climb!" And in your trails and errors always has a
kind word to show you the light at the end of your tunnel and sends you
on your way to find it.
Mom who when you had nothing showed you how blessed you really were
because you had a kind heart full of love.
Mom who stood by you when you broke that window at the neighbors house
and were scared to tell you did but becaue you did, told you how brave
you were and took you for ice cream because you did tell the truth.
Mom who in her eyes you saw yourself and knew you were a beautiful human
being though the trails of life make it hard for you to believe this at
times.
Mom who gently placed warm stones at your feet wrapped in towels so your
bed would not be cold when you got in it.
Mom who bought you your first teddy bear and told you he would listen to
your darkest heartfelt secrets if she could not be found.
Mom who set you on your way to be free to live your life as you saw fit
then closed the door and cried because you had left the nest.
She gives us wings and lets us fly. She gives us hope when we are dry.
She comforts us when no words will do and tells you she loves you because
you are you.
She hides her fears when we take a trip and she breathes a sigh when we
return, Thanking God for giving her one more day to love us more.
So here's to mom who is all the above who fills us up and gives us love.
Who we take for granted will always be there and sometimes forget to say
we care.
Just take on moment from your busy day and stop and tell her she's loved
today. And maybe if along your way, you stop and pick a violet bouquet
you'll see the warmth and see the love that I have mentioned up above.
Here's to all you moms out there.
Be you a mother of child, dog, cat, horse, fish, or bear.
I hope you feel how much we care.
Much, much warmth,
"POOH"
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 09:31:33 -0400
From: David Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd)
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:27:51 +1000
From: [email protected] (Margo Hellyer)
Subject: Re: hope for melissa
Allison has dragged me out of perpetual lethargy and lurkdom by
suggesting that our beloved but fashion-challenged Melissa subscribe to
The Fashion Report.
I am reminded of the hideous nature of the La Croix (spelling?)
concoctions of Edina on Ab Fab. I sure hope Melissa does not start to
look like that !!
>Just for laughs,
And it worked :).
I wonder how long it will be before Australia ever sees the Ellen
episode. Would be nice to see what all the fuss is about. The coming out
episode did generate a lot of media interest here eg, reported on the
main evening news bulletins.
btw, the Velvet Janes cd is terrific .. congrats Mardi and Rose.
Margo
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #65--Mormons
In a message dated 97-05-09 09:22:25 EDT, you write:
< >
I did not get volume 64 so this may be in reply to something that was posted
there, but I just have to reply to this. I can't help but wonder how many
Mormons you know personally. WOW! That's the same thing I say to people who
generalize about lesbians and gays.(Well, I don't ask how many Mormons they
know. I ask how many gays they know.) I am not Mormon, but I know and
work with quite a few. They are some of the nicest people I know. It is
true that for religious reasons they are against homosexuality, but they do
NOT teach their children intolerance, prejudice and hate. The worst thing I
have ever heard one say about it is "I do not understand it" or "It is
wrong." They are strict with members of their own faith, but do not try to
tell people who are not Mormons how to live. I'm sure that in some places
there are probably some who do, but the people I know do not. Please don't
judge a whole group of people by what you read in the paper or see on TV. It
is the same thing as any other prejudice.
"Respect without fail"
Loretta
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Date: Fri, 09 May 97 14:00:27 PDT
From: "Teresa Crittenden"
Subject: *etheridge* Indigo Girls on CNN
for all you IG fans, they'll be on CNN's Showbiz
Today. At 5:30pm EDT & repeated at 12:30am EDT.
tlc
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:52:16 EDT
From: "Jane Vaughn"
Subject: *etheridge* "Take Time"
Friday is coming quickly to an end. It took two weeks to get here or so
it feels.
The week-end is finally calling my name and as I start out the door I
just have to say a few more things.
Take time this week-end to rest.
Take time to be "Thankful" then breathe deep and remember how you got
here.
Be ever so "Thankful for the music that we all love and hold dear.
Melissa music that brings us to our knees and lets us know that no one
can touch us when we are there.
Be patient and wait for the music yet to be.
I believe in my heart it will be worth our wait.
And last but not least, give those you call friend a big ole bearhug for
their love and support throughout your life.
Truly most of us can count on one hand those that know us well and call
us friend.
Those that will stand the test of time and hold us when the winds change
shift.
Those that no matter how we stumble reach down a paw and pull us back
up, brush us off and love us all the more.
Holdfast to that love.
Share the music of it, cherish it like no other.
And know the gift is free.
Enjoy the warmth that surrounds you then give it away and know it will
grow and your heart will know it is right for truly you can breathe deep
and feel it soar.
Much Warmth,
"POOH"
[email protected]
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 17:14:48 -0400
From: David Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* Guitar Picks (fwd)
From: [email protected] (Susan A. Schinaman)
Subject: Guitar Picks
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:35:03 -0400
I'm not sure, but I think it was someone on this list that had asked
about where to find collectible guitar picks. I couldn't remember the
address and phone number of the place at the time, but I just received a
new catalog. So here it is: Porter Collectible Investments, Inc.
3245 Covington Highway
Avondale Estates, GA 30002
(404)294-6133 Monday-Friday 11-7 EST
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:48:50 -0700
From: John Miller
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Guitar Picks
Susan A. Schinaman wrote:
>I'm not sure, but I think it was someone on this list that had asked
>about where to find collectible guitar picks. I couldn't remember the
>address and phone number of the place at the time, but I just received a
>new catalog. So here it is: Porter Collectible Investments, Inc.
> 3245 Covington Highway
> Avondale Estates, GA 30002
> (404)294-6133 Monday-Friday 11-7 EST
I just received word that some of Melissa's 'stork' guitar picks used
by her at the very end of her last tour are available to collectors.
The picks have a 'stork bringing the baby' picture on one side, and
the name 'Melissa Etheridge' written in child-like block letters on
the other side.
There were only a few made (about 300) and there are only 10 remaining.
If your Melissa memorabilia obsession includes purchasing rare picks,
write to me via private email *only* and I will help you contact the
person selling these rare picks... please use subject 'GUITAR PICKS'.
John Miller - seeing Melissa Ferrick live tonight, 2nd Friday in a row!
San Jose CA
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:53:32 -0700
From: Angela Johnson
Subject: RE: *etheridge* Re: Guitar Picks
MEIN was also selling these picks with a single. You might check there,
as well.
>
>John wrote:
>I just received word that some of Melissa's 'stork' guitar picks used
>by her at the very end of her last tour are available to collectors.
>
>The picks have a 'stork bringing the baby' picture on one side, and
>the name 'Melissa Etheridge' written in child-like block letters on
>the other side.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:34:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd)
people on this list should know better. Our lady is alright the she is if
she feels comfy in blue jeans, and t-shirts let her blue jeans and
t-shirts. The so called fashin police don't know what the hell their
talking about, and for those of who like Melissa change her style for some
stuck up fashion mag I think they should rethink their comments.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:10:39 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd) -Reply
glenn damon m said:
>people on this list should know better. Our lady is alright the
>she is if she feels comfy in blue jeans, and t-shirts let her blue
>jeans and t-shirts. The so called fashin police don't know what
>the hell their talking about, and for those of who like Melissa
>change her style for some stuck up fashion mag I think they
>should rethink their comments.
uh oh - another *real fan* telling us what to think.
this is a discussion list. while we are allowed to praise MLE and
her music, we are also allowed to criticize MLE, including her
music and her actions, and that includes her fashion - er, or her
lack thereof.
the "so called fashion police" that you're referring to is a
long-standing list tradition that's been going on longer than i've
been on the list (2 + years). MLE herself has stated in interviews
that she's fashion-impaired. also, i think many people on this
list wouldn't mind if she went back to her t-shirts and jeans that
she used to wear before she donned the dreaded
goldlameleopardskinpants .
and when she wears that purple-fringed jacket while playing her
paisley pink fender....
*rhondda* <--- fashion cadet - still in training
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Allison Fraiberg
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd) -Reply
A hearty thanks to rhondda for jumping in to supply the context i
neglected to include in my "fashion list" tongue-in-cheek suggestion. yes,
i was referring to the list's long-standing tradition re: Melissa and
fashion.
Tina Turner Note: I have a ticket to the Tina Turner show at the Greek
here in LA on Tuesday, May 13. I realized this week that I can't go
because I have to work that night. I'm selling it at face value, of
course. Anyone interested? Email me privately.
Cheers,
Allison "Honey, that's not a teaching outfit!"
[email protected] --JLJC
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:56:51 +1000 (EST)
From: Holmes V O
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd) -Reply
Rhondda defending the list traditions...
>
> and when she wears that purple-fringed jacket while playing her
> paisley pink fender....
>
Ohhh I'm colour blind and that even offends my sensibilities!:)
I find that most of the fashion commentary is kind of tongue-in-cheek for
the most part anyway. It's fun, what else is a lst like this for?
Veronica
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Our Little Secret Book
Hi Melissa List Members...
Just want to let you in on "Our Little Secret"
Joyce Luck was kind enough to autograph a limited number of copies of her
book!
We are selling "Our Little Secret" for $22.00 ( this includes tx, our S&H,
cost of mailing books back & forth to Joyce, etc). So if you would like a
copy for your Melissa collection just email us, give us a call 1-888-846-3773
- -use Visa/Mastercard,
or snail mail your check or money order to: Thunder Road Books, PO Box 1203,
Secaucus, NJ 07096-1203. Check out our web pg while your surfin' around! http://members.aol.com/ThundrRdBk
Chris
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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:56:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: hope for melissa (fwd) -Reply
Hi Rhondda,
I'm sorry I got carried away sometime. True i'm a real fan, and yes I have
watch it sometimes; cause I do tend to take things kind of personal. I'll
that kind of behavior in the future.
Play sfe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:48:49 -0500
From: "Patty Kolakowski"
Subject: *etheridge* ME Bootleg from '92
Hi,
I have an opportunity to buy a double disc bootleg call Live USA Vol1 and
Vol2 from 1992. Has anybody ever seen these discs? I'm trying to find out
the date of the show or at least a venue. The dealer is no help. I have 3
other double disc shows from '92 and kind of hate to take a chance in case
this one is just a copy of another boot. It's been know to happen :(.
Please help me out. I will probably get them, if I don't hear anything,
just to see what it is.
In an Frenzy,
pk
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*etheridge* NMEC (fwd)
*etheridge* fashion
*etheridge* NMEC: The Hail Marys
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:26:01 -0400
From: David Johnson
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC (fwd)
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:54:09 +0300
From: Sussi&Pat
Subject: NMEC
I hate to waste time with this but I had been talking with someone on
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:14:30 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* fashion
Well, I've never been one much for tradition for tradition's sake. ;-7
Frankly, I like pink and purple together (and they are my niece's
favorite colors). And I like the way Melissa dresses...seems real, and
helps me feel normal. I find it endearing. She is a rock-n-roll artist,
after all. And no one ever complains about (or even comments on) what
Bruce Springsteen wears.
It's sunny, it's warm, it's the weekend. YAY! -marcy
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:10:19 -0400
From: "Bruce E. Smith"
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: The Hail Marys
I'm sorry to post this here. But I saw Bound and I'm totally obsessed with
one of the songs from the movie. I can't find the Cd at any music store.
Nobody can order it for me. If someone out there has the album Sex Child by
The Hail Marys and wants to sell it or make me a copy I would really
appreciate it. Thanx.
Brandy Smith
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etheridge-digest Monday, May 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 068
*etheridge* Thanks Mom
*etheridge* "Ooga chaka ooga ooga
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #67
*etheridge* Kenny Aronoff interview, part 1 (long)
*etheridge* Kenny Aronoff interview, part 2 (long)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:25:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: glenn damon m
Subject: *etheridge* Thanks Mom
Hi fellow listers,
Today's the day we pay our respects to the one person who had to put with
all our junk over the years. And so here's to all the moms out there in
MLE land(of course that means Mel & Jullie as well). Cause without you we
wouldn't be here today or any other day. So to everybody out call mom, and
just hi i love you, and you'll be glad you did.
Play safe & Rock hard
Damon
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:30:03 -0700
From: "Jen Miller"
Subject: *etheridge* "Ooga chaka ooga ooga
ooga chaka ooga ooga I can't stop this feeling deep inside of me..."
ahhhh but that song phrases how i feel oh so well!
and happy mother's day to mums! (my mum's in south africa right now...hard
to take her out for breakfast..and i can't reach her until the 23rd)
anyways, i'm off to travel next week...the 20th is my departure to new york
city. from there i will be going to new haven to boston (ebyn?) to
portland (maine...Mah Hampshirite? you out that way?) to yarmouth (nova
scotia) to halifax (alma?) to springhill (mico?) to glace bay to halifax to
new york and departing on the 12th of june (this is what i hope i will be
happening). so i'm just here to say to those who know me: "email me with
your addies and #'s before the 20th!" i'll be off the list for about a
month or so....but rejoining later in june. may melissa rock on here!
observing the sunny skies and her brown arms,
jen
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From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #67
In a message dated 97-05-11 12:36:06 EDT, you write:
<< Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:14:30 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* fashion
Well, I've never been one much for tradition for tradition's sake. ;-7
Frankly, I like pink and purple together (and they are my niece's
favorite colors). And I like the way Melissa dresses...seems real, and
helps me feel normal. I find it endearing. She is a rock-n-roll artist,
after all. And no one ever complains about (or even comments on) what
Bruce Springsteen wears.
It's sunny, it's warm, it's the weekend. YAY! -marcy
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Rock on Marcy.....I agree, to me the way Melissa dresses is just Melissa
being herself and it certainly speaks rock'n'roll which, after all, is what
she is about. I realize this has been much in debate on this list but I
don't think those of us who like MLE just the way she is should apologize for
that any more than those who don't like the way she dresses or who don't like
the electric sound of the YLS album should apologize. We certainly are not
saying we are the better fans or the *real fans* for not being critical of
her, we just like the way she does it!!! Personally, I just wish she would
surface somewhere and I wouldn't care what she had on :-)
AND, Happy Mother's Day to Missy and Julie (its hard to believe little Bailey
Jean is 3-months old) and to everyone else, including my own...Happy Mother's
Day MOM!!!
Patty
One little piece of my soul, one little piece of my whole
life
I give to you, take it now ~~~Melissa~~~
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:16:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Anne Haines
Subject: *etheridge* Kenny Aronoff interview, part 1 (long)
Found this in the _Indiana Alumni_ magazine published by Indiana
University's Alumni Association. The May/June issue has a special focus on
the IU School of Music, which was recently ranked #1 in the country by the
Chronical of Higher Education and Change Magazine, and #2 by U.S. News &
World Report (one-tenth of a percentage point behind Eastman).
Only minor actual MEC, but I thought it was an interesting article. I'll
break this up into two messages, since it's long. Enjoy!
- -Anne
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BEAT OF A DIFFERENT DRUMMER
by Marc D. Allan
(from _Indiana Alumni_ magazine, May/June 1997, reprinted without permission)
You could put on a rock concert in the School of Music annex and not
disturb a soul. It's Dec. 30, and the building is virtually deserted-- as
it should be during IU Bloomington's winter break.
But in Room 355, Kenny Aronoff, BM'76, is teaching drums. Sophomore Ryan
Fitch, getting his first lesson, sits on a stool and listens.
"There's a 100 percent chance I won't be here every week," Aronoff tells
him. "If you want a great player, that guy's not around. He's out there,
in the scene."
In those three sentences, Aronoff has laid out the rules. He's so busy
with recording sessions and concert tours that students can't expect
regular lessons. But they will get their instruction, and they'll get it
from probably the most in-demand drummer in rock'n'roll, a 16-year veteran
of John Mellencamp's band who did two major concert tours (Melissa
Etheridge, Bob Seger) and 20 album projects in 1996.
The trade-off is worth it. Any of Aronoff's students will tell you that.
They describe the relentlessly energetic powerhouse drummer as "friendly"
and "down to earth," the rare kind of instructor who hangs out with his
students after lessons. The even rarer kind of teacher whose autograph
you'd want.
"I've never met any other teacher who has such devotion to his students,"
says senior Mike Dupke, who, thanks to Aronoff, spent four months playing
in Mellencamp's band in 1993. "One time I had an extra lesson to make up.
Kenny was getting in really late from L.A. I knew he was exhausted. But we
still had the lesson anyway-- at his house, at 1 in the morning."
Realistically, Aronoff doesn't have time to teach. But for more than three
years now, he's made the time. Every few weeks, he clears his schedule to
fulfill his promise-- to give 15 one-hour lessons per semester to seven or
eight students.
"When I first did it, I had only three students, I think," Aronoff says.
"Maybe it was more. But this is a big, powerful, exciting,
world-recognized institution, and to be asked to be part of its faculty
was exciting. I thought I'd do it for a semester and see if it felt good.
What happened was that I got attached to these kids. When I'm the most
tired and a kid comes to me and says, 'I'm gonna quit school if I don't
get to study with you'-- I'm such a sucker for that."
Maybe it's because Aronoff knows exactly how these kids feel. They might
be a few months or a few years from graduation, and they want to learn as
much as they can.
Aronoff was like that. "He was a very energetic, committed, enthusiastic
student," remembers Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Music George
Gaber. "Whatever he did-- whether a workshop or lessons or preparation for
a recital-- Kenny would pursue excellence and always would reflect joy in
his work."
When he graduated from the School of Music in 1976-- he studied timpani
and classical music-- Aronoff had no idea what the future would hold. He
had invitations to play in symphony orchestras in Jerusalem and Quito, but
he turned them down.
At heart, he knew he was meant to play rock'n'roll. "When we were kids,
rock'n'roll was this fantasy," he says. "You didn't know how you could do
it, but you just believed it could happen. Now, everybody is so educated
about how difficult the music business is. I naively thought I'd get in a
band and if I was good enough, I'd make it. Ironically, I did. But that
was so naive."
During school and immediately after, Aronoff played in Bloomington bands
like the jazz-fusion outfit Streamwinner. And when he wasn't rehearsing
with bands, he was practicing. But nearly four years after graduation, he
still hadn't found regular work. So Aronoff packed up and prepared to head
back to his hometown of Stockbridge, Mass.
Just before he left, he got two auditions. He didn't get the gig with
rhythm-and-blues singer Lou Rawls. But on March 27, 1980, he was the first
of 50 drummers to try out with Mellencamp.
"I broke two cymbals, sticks were flying, and I'll never forget the look
in their eyes. It was so loud it was making them blink. It was LOUD." He
was in, earning $150 a week.
The Mellencamp band became his musical family for the next 16 years. But
even with a regular gig, Aronoff continued to work at other projects. In
off-hours, he played with local groups like the Ragin' Texans and in the
house band at the Little Nashville (Ind.) Opry. ("They kept telling me to
play softer.")
(Continued in next message)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:17:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Anne Haines
Subject: *etheridge* Kenny Aronoff interview, part 2 (long)
(Continued from previous message)
In 1988, when Mellencamp decided to take three years off, Aronoff needed
to find steady work. He started pursuing a second career as a studio
drummer, a have-sticks-will-travel approach to rock'n'roll.
Producers loved him, his energy, and his forceful approach to drumming.
Don Was, who has recorded the Rolling Stones and Bonnie Raitt, tells of
Aronoff single-handedly saving a lackluster Iggy Pop recording session
with his enthusiasm. Mellencamp said admiringly at the time that Aronoff
"went out and made himself a better drummer."
"It takes a long time to develop your own groove and your own recognizable
style," Aronoff says. "It's part of growing up as a human being as much as
it is getting it together on the drum set. You have to have lived and
experienced some things in life and have those emotions transferred into
your music."
Meanwhile, his stock skyrocketed. Not only did Mellencamp want him, but so
did producers in Nashville and Los Angeles and touring artists such as
Elton John and Mary Chapin Carpenter. Finally, last year, he had to
choose. With Mellencamp working intermittently, Aronoff decided to leave
the band.
"John wasn't making it possible for me to pay my bills," he says. "I had
to seek work. It wasn't a matter that I'd rather do sessions than be in
the band; I obviously showed that by being in two bands. I love being in a
band."
And bands love having him. Etheridge raves. "We pretty much spin each
other out into the universe by the end of each show." Dane Clark, who
replaced Aronoff in Mellencamp's band, says he's always marveled at
Aronoff's musical presence: "It's an honor to take Kenny's place in the
band and kind of do my own thing. I think he redefined rock drumming for
the '80s. He's always been a big influence."
That's why students are so eager to study with Aronoff. They want to know
how he got where he is-- and how they can get there too.
Talent is key, obviously, and Aronoff has that in abundance. He provides a
kind of musical thrust that practically lifts songs off the ground.
But as crucial as that is, so is the willingness to work hard. Consider
that Aronoff started 1997 with 21 consecutive days of work. On Jan. 2, he
flew to Nashville to record in the afternoon with Bruce Hornsby, then
boarded a Los Angeles-bound plane that night. For the next seven days, he
worked on Bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora's solo album. From there, he
spent four days recording with Jon Bon Jovi before leaving to work with
singer-songwriter Jann Arden.
Aronoff keeps a similarly crazy schedule even when he's touring. Last
spring, during Seger's tour, he spent off-days in Nashville recording with
country singer Travis Tritt. During a five-day hiatus, he flew to Hong
Kong to play with Mellencamp, returning on a Hong Kong-to=Japan-to-Detroit
flight just in time to play a show with Seger.
Why? "My answer is because I can," he says. "I can. It's phenomenal."
Which brings us back to teaching. Aronoff's actions fit with the theory he
imparts to students, that ages 40 to 50 should be the bread-winning,
reputation-building years. While he tries to work on the basics of
drumming-- beat, time, groove-- he also wants students to learn the
business. How and when to inject their personality into the music. How
difficult it can be to play simple beats. How they must never stop
striving to be better.
It keeps students coming back.
Fitch, who got his first lesson on that day in late December, says Aronoff
has lived up to his "excellent reputation."
"Sure, his being out of town is inconvenient, but everybody really looks
up to him," Fitch says. "All the students do."
Dupke seconds the sentiment. "We've had lessons where we've not played a
note," he says. "We just talked the whole time. It's so great to hear about
the music business from somebody who lives it 24 hours a day, seven days a
week."
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SIDEBAR:
KENNY ARONOFF FACTS
Birthdate: March 7, 1953, in Stockbridge, Mass.
At present: An ever-expanding list of recording and touring projects,
including various drum clinics and new records with Joe Cocker and Melissa
Etheridge.
Where you can hear his work: Where can you *not* hear his work? On every
John Mellencamp album since 1981. On tour with Melissa Etheridge. In the
Tom Hanks movie _That Thing You Do_. On the forthcoming solo albums by Jon
Bon Jovi, John Fogerty, and Richie Sambora.
Personal: Lives with his fiancee, Liz Linfante; his son, Nic, turns 13 on
May 10.
His artistic niche: "The only reason I've become so good at what I do is
because I've done it for a long time. I've just worked hard. I'm not a
genius. I wear my heart on my sleeve, so my emotions are very apparent.
And I've put in so much time that my groove has gotten really deep."
Why the IU School of Music: "I graduated from this school (BM'76); it's a
big honor to graduate from this school. It's one of the greatest music
schools in the world. To be asked to be a faculty member was really
exciting. Suddenly, I wasn't the student anymore; I was the teacher. And I
believe in this program."
Advice to new graduates: "You've got to give yourself 10 years. Go to a
place and in 10 years-- by the time you're 30-- you want to be getting to
the point where you're going to be the best guy there. You're a threat to
the best guy in that town, and you're about to break into the scene as one
of the cats. From 30 to 40, ideally, you want to be one of the cats, one
of the main guys. And you want to start making your money because now
you've committed yourself to this career. From 40 to 50, you want to kick
butt as hard as you can so that you have your money and you have made such
a reputation in your environment, your scene, that from 50 to 60 you can
live off of that by playing, teaching, giving lectures, whatever.
Reputation is everything."
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etheridge-digest Tuesday, May 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 069
*etheridge* NMEC - Profiler season finale
*etheridge* EUGENE/SEATTLE - CAROLINE AIKEN (NMEC)
*etheridge* IG review with MLE content
Re: *etheridge* fashion
*etheridge* ELLEN EP IN HOLLAND
*etheridge* Velvet Janes cd
*etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
*etheridge* NMEC: To All German ELLEN-Fans
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
*etheridge* MLE fashion revisited
*etheridge* dream about kenny and MLE
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Date: Mon, 12 May 97 07:25:05 CDT
From: [email protected] (Elizabeth Burns)
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Profiler season finale
Does anyone out there watch and tape the Profiler series? The 2 hour
season finale was on Saturday night and i screwed up my VCR and only
recorded the first hour of it. If you taped it but don't have the
capability to record to another tape, that's fine, i just want to be
able to watch it and will gladly return it.
Please email me privately if you can help me out. i'll gladly pay for
all the postage and return your tape to you ASAP.
liz
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:37:32 -0700
From: John Miller
Subject: *etheridge* EUGENE/SEATTLE - CAROLINE AIKEN (NMEC)
Just a quick word to those of you living near Eugene or Seattle.
A wonderful evening of live music is coming your way this week.
Caroline Aiken (with Wendy Bucklew opening) will be performing:
TUES MAY 13 - John Henry's, Eugene, Oregon
THUR MAY 15 - Tractor Tavern, Seattle, Washington
Several of us from this list saw them both perform last night in
Santa Cruz California... show was excellent, beyond expectations!
See them if you can... additional tour dates can be found on the web:
http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/
http://www.hidwater.com/wendy/
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:54:21 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: *etheridge* IG review with MLE content
>Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:23:37 -0400
>Reply-To: Karra Baron
>From: Karra Baron
>To: [email protected]
>
>This was in yesterday's Detroit Free Press as the "folk" selection. It
>received 3 out of 4 stars.
>
> "Shaming of the Sun", the Indigo Girls' sixth studio album, presents
>in 12 songs everything that is good about the folk duo and reveals some of
>its weaknessses, too. Songs like "Shame on You" and "Get Out the Map" are
>winning aggressive rockers from a duo usually better known for the quiet
>and reflective. But the Girls' tendency toward the overwrought (think
>Melissa Etheridge, but times two) dooms the piano ballad "Leeds", in which
>Emily Saliers pounds way too hard on her keyboard for such a simple tune.
>But overall, the Indigo Girls are on an upward trajectory in the studio,
>crafting albums that are beginning to approach their acclaimed live
>concerts.
>
>That's it, and I have to confess that the Melissa reference had me rolling
>:)
>
>
>Karra \ [email protected] \ University of Michigan Office of Major Events
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:55:17 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* fashion
At 10:14 AM 5/10/97 -0600, marcy wrote:
>And no one ever complains about (or even comments on) what
>Bruce Springsteen wears.
I've never seen him in gold lame, or leopardskin, or purple fringed
jackets, either...
Lighten up, y'all!
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:28:49 +0200
From: Satsanga
Subject: *etheridge* ELLEN EP IN HOLLAND
Attention Dutch MElisters:
I've sent a mail to Veronica to inform when the ELLEN 'coming out' ep will
appear on tv. Here's their response:
(with apologies to all the non-Dutch listers; this is in Dutch...)
>X-POP3-Rcpt: t956805@parijs
>Return-Path:
>Date: 12 May 1997 15:49:17 +0100
>From: "Valerie Zwikker"
>Subject: RE: Vraag over ELLEN
>To: "Satsanga"
>Organization: Veronica Broadcasting & Publishing Corporation
>
>Op dit moment loopt Nederland een seizoen achter op de reeks die nu in
>Amerika wordt uitgezonden. Veronica zal pas in het nieuwe seizoen, wat vanaf
>september 1997 gaat beginnen, deze aflevering gaan uitzenden. Helaas hebben
>wij op dit moment nog gegevens binnen over de tijd en datum van uitzending,
>dus wij adviseren u om ongeveer begin september nog een keer via de e-mail te
>informeren naar de exacte gegevens.
>
>We hopen u hiermee voldoende geinformeerd te hebben en wensen u nog veel
>kijk- en luisterplezier bij de programma's van Veronica op 6!
>
>Met vriendelijke groet,
>Holland Media Groep
>Veronica Publieksvoorlichting
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"I have been to the sword seen it come seen it die
As we enter the dark I beseech you to try
In prophecy all good things must end
So take care my love my friend
Keep it Precious"
- - Melissa Etheridge
"You don't want to make me mad, now do you?"
- - Xena: Warrior Princess
http://www1.tip.nl/users/t956805
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:43:16 -0800
From: Andrea Tan
Subject: *etheridge* Velvet Janes cd
Original BAB founder, Margo wrote:
>btw, the Velvet Janes cd is terrific .. congrats Mardi and Rose.
HEY, MARDI & ROSE!!! I've been trying to order 4 cds but I keep getting
warning msgs that your server's not responding. In the off chance that
*this'll* get to you, I want 4 for now! Lemme know where CA's hub is...I
also need to get some for the store so someone contact me at
[email protected]!
Thanks to BAB head cheerleader for informing the unaware (namely me) about
the Melissa Ferrick concert on Friday. It was GREAT!!! Nice seeing
Rhondda, Kim and, of course, John as well as meeting new people.
Later! =)
Andrea
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:53:34 -0500
From: Jenniffer Smith
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
So shoot me...I'm too lazy to sub-scribe to the kd list... ;-)
As I watched the opening credits on "The Last Don" last
night, I noticed that kd was listed as appearing in the show.
Does anyone know what part she plays?
thanks,
jen
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
In a message dated 97-05-12 18:04:34 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone know what part she plays? >>
She is playing an attorney, and will not be on Sun episode, but Tues and Wed.
kel
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:13:37 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: To All German ELLEN-Fans
Hi!
I wrote a similar mail as Satsanga did to the Dutch VERONICA to the
German ARD. I wanted to know, if ELLEN will be continued here in
Germany. Like Satsanga I do apologize for not translating
these mails. I got an answer that cries for many mails to follow (IMO)
and flood the tv-programm decision makers' mail-box. For that reason I
quote my own mail as well, feel free to copy it. I think ELLEN's worth a
mail, don't you??
BTW: the address I sent it to is: [email protected], the one I got the answer
from is: [email protected]
> > Guten Tag,
> >
> > koennten Sie mir bitte Auskunft darueber geben, ob und ggf. wann die
> > amerik. Comedy-Serie "Ellen" wieder gesendet wird?
> > Wir haben Geruechte gehoert, dass sie von RTL aufgekauft worden sei und
> > hoffen sehr, dass dies nicht stimmt, denn in dem Fall muessten wir auf
> > den so sehr geschaetzten 2-Kanal-Ton verzichten!
> > Falls noch ueberlegt wird, ob weitere Folgen von 'Ellen' eingekauft
> > werden sollen, bitten wir Sie, eine positive Entscheidung zu faellen und
> > sogar ueber eine bessere Sendezeit nachzudenken.
> > Ueber das Internet konnten wir miterleben, welch positive Wirkung auf
> > Einzelne die neuesten Entwicklungen in dieser Serie hatten - die
> > Hauptfigur Ellen Morgan outete sich in einer einstuendigen Extra-Episode
> > als Lesbe. Daraufhin fanden eine ganze Reihe von Leuten, die sonst nur
> > im Internet out waren, den Mut, sich auch in ihrem direkten Umfeld zu
> > bekennen.
> > Es gibt zwar inzwischen viele Lesben und Schwule im Fernsehen, aber
> > keine Hauptfigur und noch dazu Sympathietraegerin wie Ellen deGeneres.
> > (Im Gegenteil, bei Betrachtung der letzten Entwicklungen in der
> > *Lindenstrasse*, aber das ist ein anderes Thema!)
> > Wir wuerden uns sehr freuen, wenn Sie unser Anliegen mit entsprechender
> > Aufmerksamkeit zur Kenntnis naehmen und uns ueber die weiteren Plaene
> > der ARD in bezug auf "Ellen" informierten.
> >
> > Vielen Dank im Voraus,
> >
> Liebe Frau Swolinski,
>
> vielen Dank fuer Ihr Interesse am Programm der ARD. Leider muss ich
> Ihnen aber mitteilen, dass die beliebte Serie weder wiederholt wird
> noch - aufgrund fehlender Rechte - eine Ausstrahlung der neuen
> Staffel vorgesehen ist.
>
> Ich hoffe, Ihnen mit der Antwort dennoch weitergeholfen zu haben.
>
> Viele Gruesse
> Susanne Klinar
> ARD-Online
Doesn't that sound like they are just having no interest in buying more
episodes?!?! :(
CU
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:25:03 -0500
From: "carole walker"
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
i thought she was playing a hollywood director?
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Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 7:30 PM
In a message dated 97-05-12 18:04:34 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone know what part she plays? >>
She is playing an attorney, and will not be on Sun episode, but Tues
and Wed.
kel
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:49:08 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* MLE fashion revisited
marcy said:
>Well, I've never been one much for tradition for tradition's sake.
>;-7
"tradition" was a poor word choice on my part. i never intended
to imply that we should discuss MLE's good/poor fashion sense
merely because it's a list custom. if that were true, then it would
be customary to have a flame war centered around , and that's one
"tradition" that i sincerely hope we don't continue. ;-)
==========================
Patty said:
>I realize this has been much in debate on this list but I don't
>think those of us who like MLE just the way she is should
>apologize for that any more than those who don't like the way
>she dresses or who don't like the electric sound of the YLS
>album should apologize.
i never said that *anyone* should apologize for their views on
MLE, especially for something as trivial as what MLE is wearing
on any given day. damon did that on his own. my particular beef
was with the phrase "people on this list *should* know better."
[emphasis added.] everyone is entitled to their opinion, but
when one starts to impinge on others' rights to their views by
stating what we should or should not think and thus stifling
dissent, then i have a problem.
>We certainly are not saying we are the better fans or the *real
>fans* for not being critical of her, we just like the way she does
>it!!!
the difference between what you've said and what *real fans*
say is that you've expressed your opinion without stating 1)
i can't bear to hear anything negative about MLE or 2) this is what
people *should* think about MLE.
my point (and i do have one ) is that everyone is entitled to
express their own opinion. this is a discussion list. to me, that
means that we are free to discuss MLE, positively or negatively,
as long as we do not prevent others from doing so or telling
them what they should or should not think.
*rhondda*
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:13:46 -0700
From: "Rhondda L. Ashby"
Subject: *etheridge* dream about kenny and MLE
yeah, i know, what a provocative subject line! i hate to disappoint
you, but it's not what you think. ;-)
first, thanks to anne for posting the 2 part article/interview about
kenny aronoff. i've been getting suitably psyched about seeing
next sunday's john fogerty concert with john "mack daddy" miller
, not only because it'll be great to
see fogerty doing CCR tunes in such a small venue (fillmore
auditorium, 1100 capacity), but also because kenny will be
drumming with him.
now, i don't know if reading that kenny article had anything to do
with it or not (probably!), but i had a dream about kenny and MLE
this morning. i don't always remember my dreams, but for some
reason, this one stuck.
it's not much, and frankly for those freudian dream interpreters
out there, it certainly ain't much to go on, but i'd be interested in
hearing what the hell you think it means (if it means anything at
all ). btw, i think i can pretty much guess what freud would
say about kenny's drum sticks. ;-)
the dream occurred during one of those fleeting 9-minute
intervals between hitting the snooze bar. i was at the fillmore
auditorium for the fogerty show. for some inexplicable reason,
MLE was opening for him (unlikely, i know, but bear with me).
just like the US YLS tour, kenny was drumming for her.
everything seemed normal...
except that kenny had a full dark, "grizzly adams"-like beard! (he
was still bald, though.)
unfortunately, these are about all the details i can recall from my
dream. after this particular sequence, i do remember woozily
hitting the snooze bar again, so that i could go back to the MLE
concert, but reality beckoned, and i woke up.
discounting the weird beard thing, what i'd *like* to think it
means is that MLE will be playing small venues again soon. :-)
oh, and if she's indeed playing the fillmore soon, that show
would be after the private concert she promised to do in my living
room after sending me the autographed CDs...;-)
*rhondda*
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etheridge-digest Wednesday, May 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 070
*etheridge* ELLEN on German tv
*etheridge* Christmas in May w/ Melissa
*etheridge* Oops
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
*etheridge* Wallet photos
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #69
Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
*etheridge* gold lame'
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:58:06 +0200
From: Satsanga
Subject: *etheridge* ELLEN on German tv
wrote:
>Germany. Like Satsanga I do apologize for not translating
>these mails. I got an answer that cries for many mails to follow (IMO)
>and flood the tv-programm decision makers' mail-box. For that reason I
>quote my own mail as well, feel free to copy it. I think ELLEN's worth a
>mail, don't you??
Sue, that wasn't good news huh? Anyway, i thought (since
in Holland we watch German tv as well) it would be a nice idea for the
Dutch fans to send a mail to the ARD. Because after reading their reply, i
think you're right and have they no interest in buying more episodes. So
maybe if we bundle our strength, they will get the picture! ;)
Anyway, in Holland they start in September with the 'new' season and the
'coming out ep' will be aired about that time. They told me to inform again
in September for the exact data.
Satsanga
- --------------------------------------------------
"I have been to the sword seen it come seen it die
As we enter the dark I beseech you to try
In prophecy all good things must end
So take care my love my friend
Keep it Precious"
- - Melissa Etheridge
"You don't want to make me mad, now do you?"
- - Xena: Warrior Princess
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: roger zender
Subject: *etheridge* Christmas in May w/ Melissa
Just a quick weird thought. I'm sitting here at work listening to ME's
B+C. Well, "the Angels" came on and the beginning of that song made me
really wish ME would put out a Christmas CD. Dunno why that song in
particular, but oh well.
I'll have to go home and listen to Merry x-mas/War is over now. :)
Roger
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Quote from my sister getting e-mail for the first time.
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- Dean Martin
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: roger zender
Subject: *etheridge* Oops
Sorry, it was the beginning of "You Used to Love to Dance."
(like anyone is extremely interested) :)
Roger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote from my sister getting e-mail for the first time.
"Is my internet address kzender.com?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Roger Zender e-mail: [email protected]
Bowling Green State Univ. [email protected]
Telecommunications Major phone: (419) 457-7565
Computer Science Minor http://www.wcnet.org/~rzender
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without hanging on."
- Dean Martin
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:22:45 -0400
From: Deb
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
At 04:53 PM 5/12/97 -0500, Jenniffer Smith wrote:
>So shoot me...I'm too lazy to sub-scribe to the kd list... ;-)
>
>As I watched the opening credits on "The Last Don" last
>night, I noticed that kd was listed as appearing in the show.
>
>Does anyone know what part she plays?
Dita Tommey (see http://www.cbs.com/may/last_don.html).
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Deb \\ [email protected] \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:39:22 -0700
From: Brian Paul Osan
Subject: *etheridge* Wallet photos
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here has (or has heard of) a wallet
sized photo of MLE. I am trying to see if there were an opportunity
to purchase a wallet of MLE, how many people would be interested.
Please e-mail me personally if you would be interested.
Stay true
Jean
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #69
In a message dated 97-05-13 06:27:19 EDT, you write:
<< that show would be after the private concert she promised to do in my
living
room after sending me the autographed CDs...;-)
*rhondda >>
hey Rhondda.... I'm thinking when MLE is rock'n out in your living room she's
gonna be looking mighty fine in her purple-fringed jacket while playing that
paisley pink fender I wanna come over, its not that far from west texas
to california!!!!!
Patty
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
In a message dated 97-05-13 00:54:26 EDT, [email protected] (carole walker)
writes:
<< i thought she was playing a hollywood director?
>>
you know tabloids. I might of got my info wrong......we will see tonight
k
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:06:22 -0600
From: marcy
Subject: *etheridge* gold lame'
You can call me tacky, you can call me sleazy (you can even call me
surely), but I would give just about anything to see Melissa IRL in gold
lame'. Mmmm, imagining that slippery fabric between her skin and mine...
- -marcy
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etheridge-digest Thursday, May 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 071
*etheridge* ANY SUGGETIONS ANYONE?!
*etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #70
*etheridge* nmec
Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #70
*etheridge* LP For Sale
*etheridge* ME`s purple-fringed jacket
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:07:00 +0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: *etheridge* ANY SUGGETIONS ANYONE?!
Hi there,
I've been on the MLE mailing list for the past 6 months and its been
great! I'll be visiting San Fransisco next week and I would just like
to know if anyone can suggest to me places to buy MLE single CD's
(aside from Tower), posters and the like...Would anyone like to suggest
great lesbian bars to check out?...Or cool restaurants, hang-outs,
stores, theaters, concerts, bookstores...anything!...I would greatly
appreciate it if you can help me out...Last time I was in SF was
1993...Any suggestions anyone??? Please email me privately....Thanks
again!!!!! Hope to hear from anyone!
Carla
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:56:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Kelley Rae Brock
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #70
IS anyone else out there? This is all that I have been getting lately and
don't know what has happened if anyone reads this help me out if you can!
Thanks Kelley
On Wed, 14 May 1997, etheridge-digest wrote:
>
> etheridge-digest Wednesday, May 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 070
>
>
>
> *etheridge* ELLEN on German tv
> *etheridge* Christmas in May w/ Melissa
> *etheridge* Oops
> Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
> *etheridge* Wallet photos
> *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V1 #69
> Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
> *etheridge* gold lame'
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:58:06 +0200
> From: Satsanga
> Subject: *etheridge* ELLEN on German tv
>
> wrote:
>
> >Germany. Like Satsanga I do apologize for not translating
> >these mails. I got an answer that cries for many mails to follow (IMO)
> >and flood the tv-programm decision makers' mail-box. For that reason I
> >quote my own mail as well, feel free to copy it. I think ELLEN's worth a
> >mail, don't you??
>
> Sue, that wasn't good news huh? Anyway, i thought (since
> in Holland we watch German tv as well) it would be a nice idea for the
> Dutch fans to send a mail to the ARD. Because after reading their reply, i
> think you're right and have they no interest in buying more episodes. So
> maybe if we bundle our strength, they will get the picture! ;)
> Anyway, in Holland they start in September with the 'new' season and the
> 'coming out ep' will be aired about that time. They told me to inform again
> in September for the exact data.
>
>
> Satsanga
> - --------------------------------------------------
> "I have been to the sword seen it come seen it die
> As we enter the dark I beseech you to try
> In prophecy all good things must end
> So take care my love my friend
> Keep it Precious"
> - - Melissa Etheridge
>
> "You don't want to make me mad, now do you?"
> - - Xena: Warrior Princess
>
> http://www1.tip.nl/users/t956805
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
> From: roger zender
> Subject: *etheridge* Christmas in May w/ Melissa
>
> Just a quick weird thought. I'm sitting here at work listening to ME's
> B+C. Well, "the Angels" came on and the beginning of that song made me
> really wish ME would put out a Christmas CD. Dunno why that song in
> particular, but oh well.
>
> I'll have to go home and listen to Merry x-mas/War is over now. :)
>
> Roger
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Quote from my sister getting e-mail for the first time.
>
> "Is my internet address kzender.com?"
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Roger Zender e-mail: [email protected]
> Bowling Green State Univ. [email protected]
> Telecommunications Major phone: (419) 457-7565
> Computer Science Minor http://www.wcnet.org/~rzender
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without hanging on."
> - Dean Martin
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT)
> From: roger zender
> Subject: *etheridge* Oops
>
> Sorry, it was the beginning of "You Used to Love to Dance."
> (like anyone is extremely interested) :)
>
> Roger
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Quote from my sister getting e-mail for the first time.
>
> "Is my internet address kzender.com?"
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Roger Zender e-mail: [email protected]
> Bowling Green State Univ. [email protected]
> Telecommunications Major phone: (419) 457-7565
> Computer Science Minor http://www.wcnet.org/~rzender
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without hanging on."
> - Dean Martin
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:22:45 -0400
> From: Deb
> Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC: kd lang in "The Last Don"
>
> At 04:53 PM 5/12/97 -0500, Jenniffer Smith