From: etheridge-digest <owner-etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #151
Date: October 2, 1998 3:00 AM

etheridge-digest        Friday, October 2 1998        Volume 02 : Number 151

  *etheridge* desert island     ["Thamus Morgan" <TMorgan@infonet.tufts.edu>]
  *etheridge* Quicky...               ["julie l." <primitivejulie@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* para nat                              [garbarin@infovia.com.ar]
  *etheridge* next tour, "You Shook Me All Night Long"  [Rhondda Ashby <rhon]
  *etheridge* Re: Next Tour                                   [K2293@aol.com]
  *etheridge* http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Inlet/6666  [heidimac <hei]
  *etheridge* album    ["Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>]
  *etheridge* tour dates in Europe: Austria?  [gernot.bergthaler@sbg.ac.at (]

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:54:30 EDT
From: "Thamus Morgan" <TMorgan@infonet.tufts.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* desert island

ok....

my favorite five cd's:
1) brave and crazy- mle
2) led zeppelin II- led zeppelin
3) anything mozart
4) enchanted- stevie nicks (cheating 'cause it is a 3 disc set!)
5) heart alive- heart

book:
sparrowhawk trilogy- ursula leguin

favorite luxury item
choice a) love of my life
choice b) a box of small pleasurable items.

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: "julie l." <primitivejulie@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Quicky...

I just have a quick question- Does anyone know who plays the great
guitar solo on MLE's cover of AC/DCs' "You Shook Me All Night Long"? 
The cover of the song is from MLEs' concert in Biloxi, Ms. (7/7/95).
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:12:36 -0300
From: garbarin@infovia.com.ar
Subject: *etheridge* para nat

Nat:

Perdí tu dirección y hace mucho que no apareces por la lista. Escribime
garbarin@infovia.com.ar es mi dirección

Besos Mica

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* next tour, "You Shook Me All Night Long"

AZGDixson@aol.com wrote:

> Im new to this list and I'm hoping this even gets out there 
> ( not really sure). Does anyone have any info on any prospective 
> concert dates or tours for Melissa? 

all we know is that her tour will start next year, presumably 
after "Beloved" (drat, no acronym for this album! <g>) is released.  
in her last MEIN chat, MLE indicated that she'd tour a little 
next spring, including perhaps a promo tour (can i at least hope
that one of these dates will be in san francisco?!), but that 
she'd definitely hit the boards by the end of the summer.

"julie l." <primitivejulie@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I just have a quick question- Does anyone know who plays the great
> guitar solo on MLE's cover of AC/DCs' "You Shook Me All Night Long"? 
> The cover of the song is from MLEs' concert in Biloxi, Ms. (7/7/95).

unless MLE had a guest guitarist during the biloxi concert, that
guitar solo was performed by john shanks.  the "import" (aka 
bootleg <g>), "Woman in Love", contains a portion of this show, 
btw.

*rhondda*

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:04:39 EDT
From: K2293@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Re: Next Tour

Heard a rumor from a reliable source...
that the new CD will be released in Feb 1999 and the tour should start in
March 1999... 
Also heard the tour will start off in Europe...

Lisa 
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:05:12 +1000
From: heidimac <heidimac@zip.com.au>
Subject: *etheridge* http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Inlet/6666

Hi Everyone!

Just wanted to tell you all about our new page.

It is called: 

The Ellen, Anne and Melissa Chat Room and Message Board Home Page

It is found at:

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Inlet/6666

We have also started a webring for anyone who has pages about Ellen, Anne
or Melissa!

Come and visit us soon and don't forget to sign our guestbook (we'll send
you something nice if you do!) so that we know you dropped by!

Take care,

Sioux and Heidi

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:55:37 -0600
From: "Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* album

does anyone know when melissa's new album will be realeased?
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:40:08 +0200
From: gernot.bergthaler@sbg.ac.at (Gernot Bergthaler)
Subject: *etheridge* tour dates in Europe: Austria?

Can anybody tell me if she'll come to Austria? She had a small (about 2500
visitors) but gorgious concert in Vienna in February 1996 and I can't stand
it anymore haven't been able to hear her live in concert since then!

All the best from Salzburg,
GJ!

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #152
Date: October 3, 1998 2:56 AM

etheridge-digest       Saturday, October 3 1998       Volume 02 : Number 152

  *etheridge* new album release?; tour dates?  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocke]
  *etheridge* (SMLEC) PlanetOut:  The DeGeneres crew does Hawai'i   [Rhondda]
  *etheridge* Melissa / Europe             [Satsanga <claudia.mulder@tip.nl>]

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* new album release?; tour dates?

"Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu> wrote:

> does anyone know when melissa's new album will be realeased?

the last thing we've heard was that "Beloved" (MLE's tentative
title mentioned in a previous MEIN chat) would be released in 
january 1999, according to the island records press release 
i posted on 4/29/98 (the one announcing their pending birth).  

Gernot Bergthaler <gernot.bergthaler@sbg.ac.at> wrote:

> Can anybody tell me if she'll come to Austria? She had a small 
> (about 2500 visitors) but gorgious concert in Vienna in February 
> 1996 and I can't stand it anymore haven't been able to hear her 
> live in concert since then!

there hasn't been any definitive news about when or where MLE 
will be visiting on her next tour.  i would assume that if she'd 
been to your city during her YLS tour, she'll swing by there 
again.  

MLE will be doing another MEIN chat on october 14th.  perhaps 
one of the lucky winners (aren't they supposed to be picked today?) 
can ask her when her tour will start?

*rhondda*
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:56:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* (SMLEC) PlanetOut:  The DeGeneres crew does Hawai'i 

http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?1998/10/01/5
 
Community News Variety Pack 
NewsPlanet Staff 
Thursday, October 1, 1998 / 05:35 PM 

SUMMARY: The DeGeneres crew does Hawai'i ... politics in 
concert as Spitfire lites South Carolina ... Denver 
highschoolers' get support to give support ... "Out Now" back 
in gear ... Leonardo visits Victoria ....
 
DeGeneres Benefits HI Campaign 
 
Events in connection with a San Francisco screening of the 
documentary "The Real Ellen Story" raised well over $100,000 on 
September 28 for Protect Our Constitution/HRC, opponents of 
Hawaii's referendum on a proposed state constitutional amendment 
to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples only.  (For newly 
updated information on the campaign, see
http://www.hrc.org/feature1/hiads.html.)  Ellen DeGeneres herself 
was present with her partner, Anne Heche, and her mother, 
Betty DeGeneres, and Melissa Etheridge and partner Julie Cypher 
were also there.  The documentary, which was then broadcast on 
BRAVO with the sponsorship of gay-owned RSVP Travel, examines 
the year's effort that culminated in the April 30, 1997 coming out 
"Puppy Episode." 
 
DeGeneres said she had no resentments against ABC, who "allowed me 
to do it.  [But] I was a bad litmus test.  People stopped watching 
the show.  I lost my job.  I've been through a dark, dark time.  
I won't lie and say I haven't been very depressed.... I'll come 
back and prove they can't get rid of me."  Now working on an HBO 
special and two movies, DeGeneres is also developing a new 
stand-up routine, of which she said, "I haven't been on stage in 
six years.  I'll probably start out spewing anger for an hour 
and a half, but basically I want to get back to being funny, which 
is all I've ever wanted to be." 

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:39:24 +0100
From: Satsanga <claudia.mulder@tip.nl>
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa / Europe

>>Also heard the tour will start off in Europe...

Alright! Well, i just hope she will pick Holland as starting point of
the tour! <g>  Can't wait to see her again......

Satsanga

(hey Yasir, did you get that poster yet?!)

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #153
Date: October 5, 1998 3:02 AM

etheridge-digest        Monday, October 5 1998        Volume 02 : Number 153

  *etheridge* Rock and The Environment (MEC)     ["Tricia" <tbird@netinc.ca>]
  *etheridge* ON THE DUTY OF RECOGNIZING "GRAMATICAL SEXISM"  [Noexit00@aol.]
  *etheridge* NMEC: Xena on SNL next week?  [Vivian Choh <bi189@freenet.toro]
  *etheridge* EBAY                            [Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>]

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:26:29 +0000
From: "Tricia" <tbird@netinc.ca>
Subject: *etheridge* Rock and The Environment (MEC)

I was wondering around and came across this posting 

http://www3.rocktropolis.com/main/events/rockenviron/


                Rocktropolis is proud to introduce the Rock and
                the Environment Series. Each month we'll
                present a show from the Rock and the Environment
                archives - and a few exclusive never-heard-before
                shows - by making available a new portion of the show
                each week. All the shows will be archived as we go so
                you won't miss a thing. 

                Rock and the Environment is a provocative
                interview show in which major rock artists
                discuss environmental issues and their ideas on
                how to help save the earth. You've probably heard one
                of the 2-3 shows that are broadcast each year on your
                local rock radio station. Now you can hear them all. 

                This month's show is hosted by Bruce Hornsby.
                The featured artists are John Densmore of the
                Doors, Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead, REM,
                Steve Miller, Jackson Browne, Sting, Peter
                Gabriel, Melissa Etheridge, and Don Henley.

Although I couldn't find a date on the site I did find this posting 

Rock and The Environment
 http://www.rocktropolis.com/main/events/rockenviron/
 via Real Audio on demand

 Rock and the Environment is a provocative interview show in which
major
 rock artists discuss environmental issues and their ideas on how to
 help save the earth. All shows will be archived. October's show is
 hosted by Bruce Hornsby and features:

 Up Now: John Densmore of The Doors,Bob Weir of The Grateful Dead

10/13 Jackson Browne, Steve Miller
*******10/20 REM, Sting, Peter Gabriel***********
10/27 Melissa Etheridge, Don Henley

I'm not familiar with this site, perhaps there is another lister (Dr. 
Chuck?) who could offer us a little info on how to use the site.


Tricia
tbird@wowdx.net
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:03:01 EDT
From: Noexit00@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* ON THE DUTY OF RECOGNIZING "GRAMATICAL SEXISM"

hey all, 
     I am working on an essay at my high school on words that are used in
changed context for men vs women/boys vs girls, such as "master" and
"mistress" or "poet" and "poetess". Included in a different category are words
that refer to women as food, animals, such as "chick" or "honey" or other
derogatory words. I would like your opinions and suggestions. Please email me
privately with suggestions of specific words, and i would appreciate
explanations of the social implications juxtapose to the factual definitions,
but only if you want. most helpful would be the actual words themselves.
thanks in advance, janet. noexit00@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:45:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: Vivian Choh <bi189@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: Xena on SNL next week?

Hi folks,

am slowly ploughing through this extremely slow email composer (Grrrrrr!!)
to let those xena fans out there know that lucy lawless will be hosting
snl next week (i think -- the tv is fuzzy so i couldn't decipher the time
that she's scheduled for).  if not next week, then the week after. 

standard disclaimer: check your local listings!

regards,

viv

Vivian Choh 'Is it better to have words left unsaid
bi189@torfree.net than to have words misunderstood?'
vchoh@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca      -- from "Pale Sun", Cowboy Junkies
http://quark.uwaterloo.ca/~vchoh/

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:35:45 +0000
From: Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>
Subject: *etheridge* EBAY

Just wanted to let you all know I have a new mini page...on ebay...it
also lets you know what I have on auction at ebay....it includes
HARDROCK PINS, MELISSA ETHERIDGE STUFF, and PATRICIA CORNWELL.
Take a look at all I have on auction at:

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rnbwflg/

and again if anyone wants to meet in Nashville or Gatlinburg around
between the 15th and the 21st lmk
thanks
a and m

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #154
Date: October 6, 1998 2:59 AM

etheridge-digest       Tuesday, October 6 1998       Volume 02 : Number 154

  *etheridge* rock and the environment; MLE commercials  [Rhondda Ashby <rho]
  *etheridge* Melissa Etheridge in Star(?)                [IndigoKat@aol.com]
  *etheridge* Triangle Broadcasting NMEC  ["Vicky Adair" <vickya@hotmail.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC - Xena on SNL  ["Lisa Borthwick"<Lisa.Borthwick@nre.vic.g]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  MEIN news postings       [Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>]

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* rock and the environment; MLE commercials

Tricia <tbird@netinc.ca> wrote re the Rock and the Environment 
series on Rocktropolis:

> 10/27 Melissa Etheridge, Don Henley
> 
> I'm not familiar with this site, perhaps there is another lister (Dr. 
> Chuck?) who could offer us a little info on how to use the site.

i think it's a pretty straightforward site.  you have to download
the Windows Media Player in order to listen to the show.

if i recall, the Rock and the Environment series is available
on CD from some vendor - i've forgotten who, unfortunately.  it's
something i've seen listed in Goldmine, i believe.  IOW, it's not
a recent show.  

i think MLE interviews don henley during the show, but i could be
mistaken.

=====

on another note, i saw 2 MLE-related commercials this weekend:

during VH1's "Pop-up Video" show on saturday morning, i saw a 
commercial for "Tammy Wynette...Remembered".  it included the
pictures from the booklet and played snippets of some of the 
artists' covers, including MLE's.  they flashed a URL for the 
tribute, http://www.tammytribute.com, during the commercial, but 
all this site does is flash the artists' names and then shows a 
picture of the album cover.  i got an error message when i 
clicked on the album cover.  i think the commercial suggested 
that you could order the album through the web site, but i 
haven't discovered how to do that yet.

finally!  i saw most of MLE's LifeBeat commercial while i was 
flipping around during the commercials on saturday evening - the 
one that shows several shots of her playing her guitar and then 
she says [paraphrased], "When you're having sex, be sure to use a 
latex condom or a dental dam or whatever!"  [her "whatever" cracked 
me up!  <g>]  the spot was broadcast during CNBC's "Hardball with 
Chris Matthews" show at approximately 8:50 pm PT. 

what a way to spend your saturday night!  <g>

*rhondda*

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:59:28 EDT
From: IndigoKat@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa Etheridge in Star(?)

Just FYI    I was standing in line at the grocery store and one of the rags
has an article on Hollywoods Leading Ladies, Who's gay and who
isnt........boring article with nothing but a list of names of folks who have
been "out" for ages(like Amanda Bearse, Ellen, Anne Heche etc) and of course
Melissa and Julie.  There is however a small picture of Julie and Melissa.

Indi
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:31:04 PDT
From: "Vicky Adair" <vickya@hotmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Triangle Broadcasting NMEC

I get best picks for stock in my email box when they feel it is a hot 
stock. Today this showed up and I thought it was pretty cool. I thought 
I'd post it here just in case anybody is interested in supporting a gay 
stock. I purchased 20,000 shares this afternoon:

Financial Highlights: Triangle Broadcasting, Inc. (OTC BB : GAAY)

Shares Outstanding (Aug 31, 1998) : 19.4 Million Shares
Current Market Capitalization (Current Stock Price of $0.05) - $970,000
Stockholders’ Equity (June 30, 1998) - $2,233,470 - Equity per Share : 
$0.115

At current stock price of $0.05 we feel this stock to be tremendous BUY 
at these levels.  Currently there are 19.4 million shares outstanding, 
this gives a market capitalization of only $970,000 - a modest 
investment could yield enormous rewards for the investors who entered on 
the ground floor.  At current price levels $1000 would purchase 20,000 
shares.

"Mark Twain said: "The secret to success is - find out where the people 
are going and get there first".  We feel that Triangle Broadcasting, 
Inc. (OTC BB : GAAY) has followed that adage to a T.  

Triangle Broadcasting Company, Inc. (OTC BB : GAAY) is launching itself 
to a right future.  They are the first mass media company  to target 
gays and lesbians on a national level.   Successful companies always 
take one step at a time so that they never skip over something important 
that will haunt them in the future.  First, Triangle Broadcasting 
Company, Inc. did extensive surveys.  They found out what were the 
people's preferences.  
They also figured out what would be the most strategic way to market 
their product and what programs would be received well by both the gay 
and lesbian communities and the mass market.  They set up their 
programming and found what cities they should target first.  Triangle 
Broadcasting Company, Inc. is going to start in 15 cities.  They have 
chosen 15 cities with large gay and lesbian populations.  After they 
have gained acceptance in these markets, they will expand to a national 
level.  They can already be received by over 10,000 stations in the 
United States and Canada. Triangle Broadcasting Company, Inc. will not 
expand until they have made a presence in the markets that they are 
focusing on. 

Triangle Broadcast Company, Inc. hand-picked it's management 
infrastructure.  They took broadcast executives who had extensive 
knowledge about the industry.  Gay and lesbian nightclub owners were 
brought in to help formulate the programming.  Business advisors help 
with the complexities of running a business.  And last but not least 
real estate people help with the planning of which communities would be 
their first targets.

After all this was set up they contacted advertising executives of major 
companies throughout the United States and Canada.   The response was 
overwhelming.  With all the above factors, and the fact that advertisers 
are already lining up, success is almost inevitable. This is truly an 
amazing company with nothing but positive opportunities in front of it.

http://www.stock-pick.net/gaay/index.html

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:21:10 +1000
From: "Lisa Borthwick"<Lisa.Borthwick@nre.vic.gov.au>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Xena on SNL

Vivian & Xena fans,

Hi there.....still lurking around Down Under :-)

Anyways, I am on several Xena lists and the word is that Lucy Lawless will
be *hosting*  SNL on 17 October.

I have no idea what SNL is, except for what I've read, cause Margo and I
don't subscribe to Foxtel or any other cable...but it sounds like it's an
interesting show and a chance for artists to highlight their comedic
talents.

There's also been some speculation that Lucy might *sing* on SNL - she
certainly has a  C&W twang (which is certainly obvious on the show's Bitter
Suite cd  !!!  Should she have appeared on the Tammy Wynette tribute album
??? ;-)

Those Kiwis are an interesting bunch.........show  'em a sheep and they'll
break out in a love song :-)

Hope this helps you catch the show.

Cheers from Down Under :-)

Lisa-Lou

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:17:11
From: Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  MEIN news postings

Hey there, MElisters,

I just want to share an interesting little encounter with MEIN during the
last few weeks.

A couple of weeks ago I transcribed MLE & JC's GMA appearance of 9/17/98
and posted it to the list.  Unbeknownst to me until noted by the
ever-vigilant Ms. Ashby, MEIN posted it on their website a day or two later
and Rhondda gave me a heads-up about it...and that it was being touted as
"A Fan's Transcript."  I cruised by for a look, and sure enough, there it
was...word for word, comma for comma (but I take NO credit for misspelling
Julie's name in their headline <bfg>).  At first it didn't bother me, as I
would've given them my permission anyway, and especially knowing that there
are plenty of folks out there who didn't have access to the broadcast who
might enjoy reading a transcript.  But Rhondda had a point -- and a strong
point -- about the principle of the matter, reminding me of how many times
MEIN has taken obvious advantage of MElister generosity in postings with
nary a word of appropriate credit -- and that in my case, it was so
inCREDibly overt and blatant -- there *was* no other place it could've come
from.  And I rethunk it all...and I do care.  This practice has been going
on unchanged for many years.

So I wrote to the webmaster at MEIN, expressing my disappointment to learn
that my hard work had been posted on their main page as their prominent
headline without even contacting me about it before or after, which to me
just wasn't very professional or ethical, or even honorable to Melissa's
philosophy (and they exist to speak for Melissa) of "Speak True."  To my
surprise, the webmaster wrote to me several days later, expressing what I
felt was an exceedingly sincere apology and a hope that we can "start
fresh"....she explained that an "inexperienced" person gave her the text as
a news item, and it was her desire to correct the situation immediately,
stating that she'd posted a credit to me upon writing me back, and she
wanted to know if I wanted to add anything else to the credit (which I
didn't).  I really wasn't expecting to hear anything back from her or
anyone at MEIN, so the fact that she took time to take the action that she
did and then to let me know about it as she did is something I respect.

I wrote her back and thanked her for her apology and for the change she had
made on the website to reflect it.  In my email back to her, I took a
moment to express to her -- with the care to state my opinions as my *own*
perceptions and not as any sort of spokeperson for *anyone* on this list,
I'd never dream of trying to "speak" for such a diverse group <g> -- as a
sort of heads-up....that past experience among some and many MElisters
supports a perception that MEIN does not have a clear pro-active policy to
verify the true source of its information before posting it as their own
work on their website, and this simple management oversight has, for many,
negatively affected MEIN's credibility.  I expressed that, IMO, information
that is posted without any credit seems to imply that it is "official"
information from MLE or her suits, and a *lot* of very generous MElister
info has been posted as MEIN's without credit or even simple contact over
the years, such as mine.  I suggested that, as the person with the
high-profile responsibility for what is ultimately posted on the MEIN site,
she at least subscribe to this list and find out for herself what is
originally from here and what is not before posting it on the site as
MEIN's....after all, a practice of active indifference doesn't necessarily
mean a presence of ill-will, just an absence of caring.

I've not held any expectation that I would hear anything further from the
webmaster or anyone else at MEIN, and I haven't.  While Glenna pointed out
at the time that it was great to speak up, she too was a bit skeptical that
it would bring about any real change in MEIN's practices....a sentiment
Rhondda and I have shared as well.

However....we all know how consistently diligent and generous Rhondda is in
posting significant MEC with such dedicated regularity --
WELLLLLL....Rhondda discovered Friday evening that MEIN posted a news
article about Melissa & Julie's HRC Dinner appearance and...and...without
even so much as *asking* Rhondda....<gasp> *CREDITED* her with it!! <bfg>
(Yup, Rhondda, I heard the massive West Coast THUD of your fainting dead
away, but I just thought it was thunder <g>)

I think it's just so **utterly** fitting that MEIN's debut VOLUNTARY credit
should go to *rhondda*!!!!  <woooohoooooo>  I personally really don't think
that there is anyone on this list who deserves more of MEIN's respect than
our own Rhondda -- the woman sustains us in reliable *good* MEC (even when
there ain't much! <g>)!

My sincere thanks to Rhondda for her steady support, encouragement, and
nudging (ok, so she *was* a bit <ahem> pushy! ;)  <bfg>) to stand up and
NOT be complacent.  Thanks, Rhondda!!!! :)   <hi-5>

Patti, in Dallas where God seems to be bowling in a *major* tournament
again tonight


"Really creative thinking does not occur with regard to problems about
which the thinker is lukewarm."  - Mary Henle

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #155
Date: October 7, 1998 2:57 AM

etheridge-digest      Wednesday, October 7 1998      Volume 02 : Number 155

  *etheridge* Rock and the Environment  ["Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com]
  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #154       [Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" to air on October 13  [Rhondda Ashby <rhon]
  *etheridge* how to locate those hard-to-find MLE-related items  [Rhondda A]

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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:48:37 -0400
From: "Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Rock and the Environment

>Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
>Subject: *etheridge* rock and the environment; MLE commercials
>
>Tricia <tbird@netinc.ca> wrote re the Rock and the Environment 
>series on Rocktropolis:
>
>> 10/27 Melissa Etheridge, Don Henley
>> 
>> I'm not familiar with this site, perhaps there is another lister (Dr. 
>> Chuck?) who could offer us a little info on how to use the site.
>
>i think it's a pretty straightforward site.  you have to download
>the Windows Media Player in order to listen to the show.

Is that what they are using now?  Not long ago, their shows required the
RealAudio player.  Hm :)  In any case, download the RealPlayer from
http://www.real.com.  You can get Windows Media Player from
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer

Chuck

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #154

<<<I think it's just so **utterly** fitting that
MEIN's debut VOLUNTARY credit
should go to *rhondda*!!!!  <woooohoooooo>  I
personally really don't think
that there is anyone on this list who deserves
more of MEIN's respect than
our own Rhondda -- the woman sustains us in
reliable *good* MEC (even when
there ain't much! <g>)!) >>>

I would like to ad my thanks to Rhondda who has brought  a wide range
of info to this site!
THANKS RHONDDA! 
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" to air on October 13

Lifetime (a U.S. cable station) will be broadcasting "Ellen's"
one hour coming-out episode, aka "The Puppy Episode", next 
tuesday, october 13th, from 6 pm - 7 pm PT.  please confirm the 
time in your area.  

MLE appears in the hilarious ending tag scene as the overzealous
lesbian recruiter.  notice how thoroughly she stamps ellen's 
papers...oh, and the clipboard, too.  <g>

*rhondda*

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* how to locate those hard-to-find MLE-related items

there have been recent discussions on the list about how to 
obtain some hard-to-find MLE-related items, specifically 
"Silencio = Muerte:  Red Hot + Latin" (contains MLE's spanish 
version of NTG, aka "Sin Tener A Donde Ir"), "Ain't Nuthin' 
But A She Thing" (contains MLE's cover of joan armatrading's 
"The Weakness in Me"), and "Tammy Wynette...Remembered" (contains 
MLE's cover of "Apartment #9").  

unfortunately, i haven't found any place that offers Bryan Adams' 
"Star" CD single (contains MLE's duet on "It's Only Love"), but 
based on tricia's previous post, it appears to be out of print 
anyway.

i poked around a bit and discovered that there are a few 
well-known vendors on the net that offer these items for sale.  
two out of three of these vendors also accept payment by check 
or money order (the third only accepts credit card payment).

i'm not endorsing these vendors one way or another, but just
providing the information.  those who are interested can check 
this out further.

the 3 vendors i researched are:  CD Now, Music Boulevard, and
Tower Records.

* Silencio = Muerte:  Red Hot + Latin:

$11.49 CD, $7.49 tape (same price at CD Now and Music Boulevard)
$11.99 CD (Tower Records; doesn't appear to offer this in tape
format)

* Ain't Nuthin' But A She Thing:

$14.99 CD, $9.99 tape (CD Now)
$10.49 tape (Music Boulevard; it doesn't appear to offer CD
format)$17.99 CD (Tower Records; will have to special order it; doesn't 
appear to offer tape format)

* Tammy Wynette...Remembered:

$11.88 CD, $7.69 tape (CD Now)
$11.69 CD / $9.44 tape (Music Boulevard)
$14.99 CD (Tower Records; doesn't appear to offer tape format)

there will be shipping and handling charges added to these prices, 
so please take that into account.  CD Now and Music Boulevard 
accept payment via credit card (Visa, Mastercard, American 
Express, JCB, Discover, Diner's Club, and debit cards with the 
VISA or Mastercard logo for CD Now; American Express, Discover, 
JCB, MasterCard, Visa for Music Boulevard) and check/money order 
(with some restrictions), while Tower Records only accepts payment 
via credit card (Visa, Mastercard, Discover or American Express).

here are the URLs for these vendors:  

CD Now - http://www.cdnow.com

Music Boulevard -
http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/793244907710559_0_main.txt

Tower Records - 
http://www.towerrecords.com/prd.i/pgen/tower/H69VLECW2GSH2JPQ00L1RH5G8J9PRWGJ/main.html

these releases are listed with MLE's catalog or you might have
to search for them by album or song title.  good luck!  :-)

*rhondda*

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #156
Date: October 8, 1998 2:57 AM

etheridge-digest       Thursday, October 8 1998       Volume 02 : Number 156

  *etheridge* #Etheridge Regulars page is acting funny  ["Charles A. Kunz" <]
  *etheridge* hi                             [Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* Re: how to locate those hard-to-find MLE-related items   [Sats]
  *etheridge* NMEC - Xena on SNL, MEIN chat  ["Martha Brandwene" <marthab@mo]
  Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  MEIN news postings  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketm]

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:13:09 -0400
From: "Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com>
Subject: *etheridge* #Etheridge Regulars page is acting funny

I know, you can't see the pictures :)  It's been like that all day, and
will be again all day today, until I can fix it.  SimpleNet upgraded their
scripting engine, so now the old scripts need to be modified.

Chuck

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:59:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* hi

dearmlesters,
gues what guess what.as most of u know i get mtv asia in pakistan here
and this month their artist of the month is fantastic females.they r
gonna show vh1 divas or something and they will also show melissas
unplugged.im sooo excited.i hope i get to record it.they even show a
glimpse of melissa at her unplugged.btw i will also be giving my SATs
on the 10th so pray for me guys.and oh u can even check out my pic at:
http://members.tripod.com/~dogsontheside/ysr.jpg
love u guys.yasir shah. p
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:00:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Satsanga <claudia.mulder@tip.nl>
Subject: *etheridge* Re: how to locate those hard-to-find MLE-related items 

>Hi all,
>
>You can also check out the catalog of Ladyslipper Music at:
>http://www.ladyslipper.org/
>
>They also have 2 of the CD's listed Rhondda found at CD Now, Tower
>Records and Music Boulevard (although more expensive).
>
>> * Silencio = Muerte:  Red Hot + Latin:
>>
>Cassette: 11.98...CD: 17.98
>
>> * Ain't Nuthin' But A She Thing:
>>
>Cassette: 10.98...CD: 16.98
>
>Other CD's with Melissa's songs:
>
>Various Artists - GLAMA: One
>GLAMA is the first and only national music awards program to honor the
>work of out lesbian and gay recording artists, and this 1998
>"star-studded" compilation features winners and
>nominees from the 1st Annual Gay/Lesbian American Music Awards held in
>1996. Treat yourself to select tracks by k.d. lang, Melissa Etheridge,
>Margie Adam and Ferron... gay icons
>Michael Callen and Tom Robinson... important new voices Catie Curtis and
>David Clement... music to make your heart swell from Women's Chorus of
>Dallas and Turtle Creek Chorale...
>plus the Klezmatics, Extra Fancy, Pussy Tourette, Jeff Krassner, and a
>never-before-heard version of Gregory Gray's Three Minute Requiem
>recorded live at the Awards ceremony.
>CD:  14.98
>
>Various Artists - Amazing Grace
>Artists from around the world have donated songs (some rare and
>never-before-released) of hope and spiritual strength, to this 1997
>fundraising project for cancer research and treatment.
>Includes Ani DiFranco on title track, Melissa Etheridge's I Will Never
>Be the Same, Jane Sibery's Calling All Angels, Angelique Kidjo's
>Summertime, plus more by Cranberries, Bob
>Marley, and others.
>Cassette: 10.98...CD: 16.98
>
>Various Artists - Rolling Stone Women in Rock (3-Set)
>This 1998 3-volume set is an expansive collection of women in popular
>music over more than 4 decades, from Big Mama Thornton's Hound Dog and
>Patsy Cline's Crazy to the present!
>Among the artists represented on these 47 tracks are: Melissa Etheridge,
>Janis Ian, Sarah McLachlan, Dusty Springfield, Janis Joplin, Queen
>Latifah and Monie Love (Ladies First),
>Shawn Colvin, Shangri-Las, Joan Baez, Laura Nyro, Velvet Underground &
>Nico, Tori Amos, and on and on. Booklet about the artists is included!
>Cassette: 28.98...CD: 39.98
>
>Various Artists - VH-1 Crossroads
>This '96 compilation of acoustic-ish live performances includes Melissa
>Etheridge and Joan Osborne's raspy duet on Bring Me Some Water, k.d.'s
>If I Were You, Tori Amos' version of
>Bruce Springsteen's simmering I'm On Fire (and the CD includes a Tori
>video!), Jewel's Foolish Games, and some heavy-rotation boy bands.
>Cassette: 10.98...CD: 16.98
>
>Various Artists - Women for Women
>This 1995 compilation includes tracks by some of the best loved and most
>popular contemporary female artists who have donated their hits to
>promote breast health and breast cancer
>awareness: Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow, Kathy Mattea, Aretha
>Franklin, Oleta Adams, Annie Lennox, Tina Turner, Julia Fordham, and
>others. Some proceeds will go to NABCO -- The
>National Alliance of Breast Cancer Organizations, a non-profit network
>of 300 organizations -- to provide information, assistance, and
>referrals. We think it's wonderful, and about time
>that this grave threat to women's health receive as much attention and
>support as the AIDS crisis has been generating. Women for women!!
>Cassette: 10.98...CD: 16.98
>
>Plus songbooks (Melissa Etheridge Anthology), videos (Teresa's Tattoo)
>etc.
>They accept Visa and Mastercard.
>
>
>Satsanga
>
>--
>Don't keep a negative attitude, such as
>"I will not succeed, I will not succeed".
>Instead, keep a positive attitude, such as
>"I WILL fail.  I WILL fail".
>
>-
>ICQ: 5793629
>AOL IM: Satsis12
>-
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:50:22 -0400
From: "Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Xena on SNL, MEIN chat

Lisa wrote:


  the word is that Lucy Lawless will be *hosting*  SNL on 17 October.

  There's also been some speculation that Lucy might *sing* on SNL - she
 certainly has a  C&W twang (which is certainly obvious on the show's
Bitter Suite cd  !!!  Should she have appeared on the Tammy Wynette tribute
album ??? ;-)
- ----------------------------------

    How about a Melissa & Lucy duet?  They could sing The Angels - after
all, Cupid is mentioned and he's actually *appeared* on Xena (more than
once)!

And on a completely different subject, is anyone going to be in MLE's chat
next week?  I guess I'm not <pout> since I never heard anything from MEIN.
I'd love to know what she and Julie did for fun when they were here on the
East coast last month.  That's if you want to ask a nosy question.  Or you
could just ask about the new cd <g>.

         Martha

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  MEIN news postings

i've been writing my response to patti's "MEIN news" post 
off-and-on since yesterday, but rocketmail went through yet 
another flakey period this afternoon right during my late-ish 
lunch hour (natch), not to mention the pesky intervention of 
WORK <g>, so here i am late at night trying to finish it up before 
it decides to get temperamental again.

Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net> wrote:  

> At first it didn't bother me, as I would've given them my 
> permission anyway, and especially knowing that there are plenty 
> of folks out there who didn't have access to the broadcast who
> might enjoy reading a transcript.  But Rhondda had a point -- 
> and a strong point -- about the principle of the matter, reminding 
> me of how many times MEIN has taken obvious advantage of MElister 
> generosity in postings with nary a word of appropriate credit -- 
> and that in my case, it was so inCREDibly overt and blatant -- 
> there *was* no other place it could've come from.  

truly!  i've been checking the GMA transcript site quite regularly
ever since MLE's and JC's appearance, and it's been down for weeks
now (and it still is).  so, it wasn't like MEIN could have grabbed 
the transcript from there.  

in my past life as a secretary, i used to transcribe tapes for 
former employers so i know how time-consuming it is.  last year, i 
transcribed a small portion of MLE's interview disk to post to 
the list, and it took absolutely forever.  of course, part of that 
was probably due to the fact that i was using my work boombox to 
do the transcribing and not an official transcribing machine, but 
i digress.  <g>

it's one thing to post ready-made news items to the list - that's
amazingly easy! - but quite another indeed to transcribe a 
10-minute interview from video tape.  one that you should be 
commended for, patti!

i think it's easier for me personally to deal with an entity 
snagging my news items without my permission or proper attribution 
(maybe because i'm getting desensitized to it by now, i don't know) 
than it is to see them do it to someone else who put in significant 
amounts of time and effort.  it's sort of along the lines of "do 
whatever you want to me, but don't f*ck with my friends."  <g>

> I suggested that, as the person with the high-profile 
> responsibility for what is ultimately posted on the MEIN site,
> she at least subscribe to this list and find out for herself what 
> is originally from here and what is not before posting it on the site 
> as MEIN's....after all, a practice of active indifference 
> doesn't necessarily mean a presence of ill-will, just an absence of 
> caring.

as we discussed also, i hope that the powers that be at MEIN 
have now had a long talk about proper attribution and copyright 
infringement.  a talk that seems long overdue, IMO.  believe it or 
not, MEIN actually does come up with news items, such as the 
aforementioned GMA appearance, before i do <g>, so i make it a 
point not only to attribute them with the information (including 
an URL where listers can go to check out the item for themselves), 
but to paraphrase it in my own words.

to me, this whole incident with MEIN snagging patti's GMA 
transcript without her permission or providing attribution seemed 
to be a glaring example of how the right hand didn't know what 
the left hand was doing.  with a clear and consistent policy 
about posting and attributing news items, these sorts of 
miscommunications (or non-communications, as the case may be) 
should surely diminish.

> WELLLLLL....Rhondda discovered Friday evening that MEIN posted 
> a news article about Melissa & Julie's HRC Dinner appearance 
> and...and...without even so much as *asking* Rhondda....<gasp> 
> *CREDITED* her with it!! <bfg>  (Yup, Rhondda, I heard the massive 
> West Coast THUD of your fainting dead away, but I just thought 
> it was thunder <g>)

"i've fallen, and i can't get up!"  ;-)

> I think it's just so **utterly** fitting that MEIN's debut 
> VOLUNTARY credit should go to *rhondda*!!!!  <woooohoooooo>  I 
> personally really don't think that there is anyone on this list 
> who deserves more of MEIN's respect than our own Rhondda -- the 
> woman sustains us in reliable *good* MEC (even when there ain't 
> much! <g>)!

<embarrassed look>  well, wrt the vast majority of the news items i
find, *anyone* with an internet connection can find also.  because
of my job, i might have some research strategies or tools that
others without the same training might not be aware of, but for the 
most part, it's all widely available.

i don't think i deserve MEIN's respect necessarily (i wouldn't
turn down back stage passes!  ;-) ), but a firm policy on posting 
news items would be a nice conclusion to their years of 
inconsistent and sloppy reporting.  i do truly and sincerely 
appreciate their crediting my news item re the HRC dinner, though.  
hey, they even spelled my name right!  :-)

> My sincere thanks to Rhondda for her steady support, encouragement, 
> and nudging (ok, so she *was* a bit <ahem> pushy! ;)  <bfg>) to 
> stand up and NOT be complacent.  Thanks, Rhondda!!!! :)   <hi-5>

i'm so glad it's been resolved.  i'd like to believe that this is a 
sign of true change!  

*rhondda*

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #157
Date: October 9, 1998 2:57 AM

etheridge-digest        Friday, October 9 1998        Volume 02 : Number 157

  *etheridge* Hard to find cd's           [cjperrine <seatak@concentric.net>]
  *etheridge* Pleasant Find - MLE Pin  [roger zender <rzender@BGNet.bgsu.edu]
  *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS                         [KUKULSKI@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.c]
  Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS                      [JLUCKY7@aol.com]
  *etheridge* 10/08/98 MEIN update:  fundraising event  [Rhondda Ashby <rhon]
  *etheridge* GMA, fashion, motherhood, etc  [Marcy <betasurely@lesbois.com>]

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:33:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: cjperrine <seatak@concentric.net>
Subject: *etheridge* Hard to find cd's

>Rhondda wrote:
>
>unfortunately, i haven't found any place that offers Bryan Adams' 
>"Star" CD single (contains MLE's duet on "It's Only Love"), but 
>based on tricia's previous post, it appears to be out of print 
>anyway.
>CD Now - http://www.cdnow.com
>==============
>
>I had to throw in my experience.  True, this CD has been out of print
>for some time, but I kept checking and CDNow eventually carried it.  So
>keep looking.  I have also had some luck with hard to find cd's from 
>www.ab-cd.com
>Also, sometimes if you ask these places directly, they can help you out.
>
>Cindy

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:41:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: roger zender <rzender@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* Pleasant Find - MLE Pin

Hey everyone,

   It's been a long time since i've posted to the list, but I ran across a
little jem the other day.  For those who don't know me, I work at a little
Indie record store and the otherday I was looking through one of our desks
and found a copper pin from Melissa's Brave & Crazy days. :)  I was quite
happy.  Just a little FYI for y'all.

Roger

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:00:51 EDT
From: KUKULSKI@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS

Yesterday was the very first time that we had caught the Pop Up for YLS ...
can anyone explain the info bubble regarding Monica Lewensky towards the end
of the video?  Was this something in latin?

Ummm, just very curious is all!

Kay n' Les
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Les's Trading Page</A>  *UPDATED 10/8 
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS

KUKULSKI@aol.com wrote:

> Yesterday was the very first time that we had caught the Pop Up 
> for YLS ...can anyone explain the info bubble regarding Monica 
> Lewensky towards the end of the video?  Was this something in latin?

i think this might be a new pop-up video!  i certainly haven't seen
it (which means absolutely squat <g>).  the only MLE videos that have 
"popped" that i'm aware of are CTMW, NTG, and "Happy X-mas/War 
Is Over".

do you recall what the pop-up bubble said?  we might be able to 
decipher it better.  :-)

*rhondda*

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:20:50 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS

In a message dated 98-10-08 18:14:34 EDT, Rhondda asks:

> do you recall what the pop-up bubble said?  we might be able to 
>  decipher it better.  :-)

LOL, well let's see.....pair Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinsky with the song
title, "Your Little Secret," and would the Latin *mea culpa* perhaps be the
term in the bubble?  (I haven't seen it either, but that's my guess.) ROFL

Joyce, disgusted over this impeachment nonsense
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* 10/08/98 MEIN update:  fundraising event

MEIN updated their news page today with some information about
the 2nd Annual Melissa Etheridge Fan Club Fundraising Event on
october 16-17 in kansas city, MO, which will benefit the Capper 
Organization.  the proceeds from the 2 days of entertainment
will be donated to The Capper Foundation's Kansas City Satellite 
Center, which will have a specific focus on assistive technology 
for children with special needs.  there will be MLE-related goodies 
available as door and raffle prizes.

to see more on the fundraising event, check out
http://fanasylum.com/melissa/1098capper.html.

to read more about the Capper Foundation, check out 
http://www.capper.org/.

*rhondda*

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:17:25 -0600
From: Marcy <betasurely@lesbois.com>
Subject: *etheridge* GMA, fashion, motherhood, etc

Well, as usual I am posting on a subject long after the thread has
vanished. However. IMNSHO: in the GMA interview I thought Melissa was
dressed to present an image of a parent, like on purpose, rather than a
R&R star image. I thought the shirt was cool, bright colors, looked like
it was made just for her. She looked happy, relaxed. Did you notice when
she said "wow" and the hand gestures when talking of when Julie
delivered Bailey? Melissa is so cute. I am probably projecting, but I
think Melissa is afraid of having a baby out of her body after watching
a birth in living color. I also thought it was cool when Melissa says 19
months when Kevin said something about "your baby is about 2 yrs old
now" and Julie says " about 2."   But Melissa knows exactly and says so.

okay, bub-bye      -marcy
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"Life is full of wonder, love is never wrong."   -M.L.Etheridge

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #158

etheridge-digest      Saturday, October 10 1998      Volume 02 : Number 158

  *etheridge* "me culpa"                  [Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>]
  *etheridge* NMEC: CDNow, Music Blvd affiliate programs  ["Charles A. Kunz"]
  *etheridge* Wall of Sound:  MLE-related tidbit in article about Grace Slick  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.]
  *etheridge* MLE, sandra bullock, and "Practical Magic"  [Rhondda Ashby <rh]
  *etheridge* YLS - Pop Up Video                             [Stv1ky@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Wall of Sound:  MLE-related tidbit in article about Grace Slick  [TahmeHawk]
  *etheridge* my take on the joplin movie  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmai]

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:19:52 -0400
From: Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* "me culpa"

Me Culpa means my fault...Haven't seen the video either...I think that
the meaning of me culpa means my fault.

Take care,
Monicca!
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:47:37 -0400
From: "Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: CDNow, Music Blvd affiliate programs

I was just wondering if anyone has had any past experience with the
affiliate programs at CDNow or Music Boulevard, where you get cash/store
credit when visitors go from your site to theirs.  I'm considering signing
up for one of them.

Please email me with any advice/pearls of wisdom :)

Chuck

drchuck@nais.com ----> ICQ:692904 ----> http://drchuck.simplenet.com
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::: Rockline Home Page ---------------------- Long Island Radio Dial
::: Dr. Demento Campaign for the New York/Philadelphia Region --- :)

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Wall of Sound:  MLE-related tidbit in article about Grace Slick

http://www.wallofsound.com/news/stories/3619index.html

October 8, 1998 
Grace Slick Talks Biopic

Former Jefferson Airplane-Starship singer Grace Slick's new 
autobiography, Somebody To Love? A Rock-and-Roll Memoir (Warner 
Books), is playing to mixed reviews, but that's never stopped 
anyone from turning a mediocre book into a movie-just look at 
Stephen King and John Grisham. So how about a Slick flick? 

"Maybe so," Slick tells Wall of Sound. 

- - snip -

Slick also wonders how in-demand her story will be in Hollywood 
since a biopic on her friend and peer Janis Joplin is also in the 
works, though Melissa Etheridge recently abandoned the lead.  "My 
book, obviously, would be second, so it's kind of like copycat, 
in a way," Slick notes.  "I don't know if somebody would be 
interested in doing that or not." - Gary Graff 

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* MLE, sandra bullock, and "Practical Magic"

the movie, "Practical Magic", will be having its official premiere
next tuesday, october 13th, in LA.  

if you've seen the previews of the movie, then you realize that
this movie stars sandra bullock and nicole kidman.

need i remind anyone about MLE's propensity to show up at sandra 
bullock movie premieres?  they are tequila drinking pals, after
all.  <g>

[fyi...she showed up at "sandy's" last 2 premieres..."Hope Floats" 
and "Speed 2".]

now, while the press release for the premiere doesn't mention
her attendance (check out 
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/981009/practical__1.html for the press
release), i thought i would at least provide a heads-up for those
in the LA area who might want to scope out the scene for 
themselves.  it might also be a good idea to watch the usual
entertainment shows (Entertainment Tonight, Access Hollywood, 
E! News Daily, CNN Showbiz Today, etc.) the day after the premiere.

good buddies, ellen and anne, will be there, as well.  

of course, if the press release is subsequently revised to include
her name, i'll post it.  :-)

*rhondda*

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:52:34 EDT
From: Stv1ky@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* YLS - Pop Up Video

I saw the YLS pop up video too and thought it was pretty good.  You can tell
it is a new one because of some of the bubble comments.  In one of them, it
stated something about Julie and her wanting to have "4" children.  Is this
something that has been said before??  
                   
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:25:12 EDT
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Wall of Sound:  MLE-related tidbit in article about Grace Slick

Just read that article.  It states that Melissa "Abandoned" the lead in the
Joplin movie.   Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the new director that
decided not to cast her?

Lynn   :-)    <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TahmeHawk/Home.html">TahmeHawk's
Place</A> 
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:15:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* my take on the joplin movie

TahmeHawk@aol.com wrote:
 
> Just read that article.  It states that Melissa "Abandoned" the 
> lead in the Joplin movie.   Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 
> it the new director that decided not to cast her?

actually, with the exception of this Wall of Sound tidbit, *none* 
of the recent articles have stated exactly why MLE is no longer 
playing janis.

on 08/27/98, i posted the reuters article announcing the new 
director, which stated:

> So far, however, no one has been cast to play Joplin, the 
> raspy-voiced blues singer who died at the age of 27 in 1970. 
> Rocker Melissa Etheridge was previously set to make her screen 
> debut in the picture, singing Joplin's songs herself. 
>
> With the competing project now dormant, however, the producers may 
> be in a better position to obtain rights to Joplin's original 
> recordings, which would allow them to use a proven actress in the 
> lead role. 

the last sentence in this excerpt led me to believe that the 
producers (one of whom is JC, btw) might be in a better position
to recast the movie because the savoca-directed version is in 
turnaround.  it appeared that the article's writer was implying 
that MLE *may* have been dropped from the project by the producers 
because she's not "a proven actress", but that's just my own 
inference; the article didn't state a reason definitively one way 
or another why she's no longer playing the role.

on 08/28/98, patti posted an article from MTV online, which stated:

> Etheridge's agent at CAA says that even though there have been 
> new developments in the project, the singer is not currently 
> attached to it. 
>
> Etheridge had been previously cast as the legendary blues singer 
> who died at the age of 27 from a heroin overdose.
>
> Her life partner, Julie Cypher, is still on board as the movie's
> producer, in conjunction with Lakeshore Entertainment's Tom 
> Rosenberg.
>
> The musician was previously thought to be a lock for the pic, in 
> light of her confessed love of Joplin's music, as well as Cypher's 
> involvement in the "Piece of My Heart" script, which she helped 
> co-write.

even though this MTV online article was entitled, "Melissa 
Etheridge Passes On Joplin Film", it never stated *if* she truly 
did leave of her own accord.  in fact, it never stated a reason
at all, but left it open for interpretation and speculation.

initially, MLE "was previously thought to be a lock" for the role,
but presently she's "not currently attached" to the project.  
obviously, *something* happened to change her status from a sure 
thing to now no longer being involved.  what that something is, 
though, is still a mystery, since this article didn't state a 
definitive reason why she's no longer attached to the project 
either.  

to muddy the waters further, MLE mentioned the joplin movie 
briefly in her two recent MEIN chats (08/04/98 and 09/09/98).

from the 08/04/98 chat:

> Snuffy  <<any chance of MEIN members having an opportunity to 
> preview the Janis film....Is that still on?

- - snip -

> *V*Melissa <<Janis film has not been made.....arrrgg

and from the 09/09/98 chat:

> wings2fly  hey...what happened to the janis flick?
> *V* Melissa  Ah jeez...hollywood...it makes me crazy..I don't know!
> *V* Melissa  I really don't
> wings2fly  can't wait till it gets straightened out (no pun)
> *D* et=  One minute left...
> *V* Melissa  Me too...I would just like to either do it or go on!

in the first chat (before the reuters and MTV online articles
were published), MLE seemed frustrated with the movie not being
made yet, while in the second chat (after the articles' 
publication), it appeared that she's still attached to the project, 
but that the movie was taking longer than expected for some 
mysterious reason.  

so, IMO, the public story is that MLE's no longer playing janis, 
while in the relative privacy of the chats, she's in limbo, 
waiting (im)patiently for something to happen.

*rhondda*

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #159

etheridge-digest       Sunday, October 11 1998       Volume 02 : Number 159

  Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS                     [KUKULSKI@aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:29:10 EDT
From: KUKULSKI@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Pop Up Video for YLS

In a message dated 10/8/98 3:25:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JLUCKY7@aol.com
writes:

<< do you recall what the pop-up bubble said?  we might be able to 
decipher it better.  :-) >>

Hiya people.  We watched the pop-up for YSL again, paid a'little more
attention to the bubble for Lewinsky.  Silly us ... it was a scrambled
sentence that reads "she has a big mouth"; a fact about Lewinsky which was
derived from one of the bubbles depicting the secrets of other celebs.   Well
hum, there ya' go ... depending on ones frame of mind, this bit can be taken
one of two ways!!!

There was also a bubble stating that Melissa didn't like how she looked in
this video!  
So self critical of ourselves aren't we!!!  Wow, to me personally, I always
see her as 'Cosmo Material'.  Lol

Kay
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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #160
Date: October 12, 1998 2:58 AM

etheridge-digest       Monday, October 12 1998       Volume 02 : Number 160

  *etheridge* Curiousity's Killing Me!                     [KUKULSKI@aol.com]

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:42:28 EDT
From: KUKULSKI@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Curiousity's Killing Me!

I've been wondering about this long enuff!  Now that I'm finally thinking
about this, I have to inquier .......

Does anyone know where Melissa barrowed the song called 'Out of My Mind' that
appears on the Private Demos boot?  Would this happen to be a cover from Three
Dog Night???

Speaking of covers ... I'd love to hear her do 'Falling', by Le Blane & Carr!
Very romantic song!  

Hint, hint {{{I know you read this board Melissa}}}


Have a great nite all!
Kay
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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #161
Date: October 13, 1998 3:01 AM

etheridge-digest       Tuesday, October 13 1998       Volume 02 : Number 161

  *etheridge* WAIT TILL U GUYZ HEAR ABOUT THIS..........  [Yasir Shah <p_yas]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard          [Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>]

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:32:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* WAIT TILL U GUYZ HEAR ABOUT THIS..........

dearmlesters,
just dropped in to say:
I RULE.....I ROCK....I HOLD THE KEY TO MLESNESS!!!
how was coming out day for u guys.i sure hope it was nice cuz i had a
blast....and who said u cant celbrate coming out day in pakistan.God
had a litle gift of his own to give me on coming out day.guess which
unplugged they showed on mtv last night.
taa daaaaaaaa
melissa etheridge!!!!
i was soooooo happyyyy and i even rcorded it from her first song come
to my window to her last song like the way i do.she sang bring me some
water soo cooool and she did a song i never haedr before called maggie
may which was amazing and then bruce springsteen joined her on stage
and her lifelong dream come true.and I yes ME myself and i watched
it...better yet i tapped it.so i have melissa's dream come true on
video tape.i have it all.i have the epitamy of melissaness.i was soooo
happy i started crying in the beggining.it came on 11 at night to
12.and after it ended i rewinded it to watch it again and then
again.so i watched it thrice and went to bed at 2..and i had an 8
oclock class the next day which i obviously missed.but im sooo
happy,cuz im sooo coool.should i watch it again......WHY NOT!!!ok so
have i made u al envious yet???love u guys.yasir shah. p
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:48:06
From: Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard

Hey there, MElisters,

It is a sad and difficult time to consider what happened to Matthew
Shepard, at a time when many of us set aside a special day to celebrate and
encourage human beings everywhere to come out and be who we really are
without fear -- and in spite of the fear.  I realize how lucky I am to have
the kind of genuine support in my life that I have in being who I really
am, knowing that I am truly loved and supported every day, even if being
who I am is not viewed as "acceptable" to some, or even many....and how
important it is -- especially with the dialogue this hate crime has opened
in the workplace, among friends, and elsewhere -- to speak up and to take a
stand for what is right with conviction toward real change and with
compassion for Matthew's family.  There is nothing more real than what
happened to Matthew.....ICHBY.

I haven't included the whole article here, but this one from Planet Out
does include info on a way to go beyond feeling the outrage, shaking our
heads, and saying the words to ourselves and to each other of our disgust
and sadness....we can give those words action and a meaningful voice, even
if only small.

In following the news and reading the many reports, I find it just aMAZing
that *anyone* could act in such a savage and brutal way toward another
human being -- seemingly out of fear and insecurity and "embarrassment."
And by so many individuals together.  No "self-defense" here....just the
need for control.  It's mind-boggling to me that there are people out there
who think this way -- that "it wasn't meant to be a hate crime....it just
got out of hand."  How the hell does beating a human being into
unconsciousness, bashing a 21-year-old man's skull in -- so much so that
surgery was not even an option -- with the butt of a gun and leaving him
lashed to a fence "like a scarecrow" for 18 hours in near-freezing
temperatures -- oh, btw, taking his shoes *so he couldn't walk home* (??!?)
- -- become something so dismissively inhuman as to describe it as "it just
got out of hand"??!??  We're talkin' two adult men, their adult
girlfriends, AND one of the men's (yes, an adult) fathers endorsing it to
the end!  Not a one said *anything* to stop it or to disown it immediately
and go to the authorities -- indeed, they did everything to cover it up and
now even try to defend it as something very different than the
obvious....something understandable in people like that as a *normal*
reaction to another (muchless gay) human being.  Absolutely no conscience
about it.  Even *after* getting caught.  It is an old and practiced defense
- -- for millenia now -- to duck personal responsibility by claiming that the
victim "deserved" it somehow....this "homosexual panic" defense.  What kind
of fundamental insecurity would drive many individuals to exert such
barbarian behavior together on another human being?  Gayness?!??
Mind-boggling, the callous coldness and lack of conscience in taking the
life of an innocent young man, one who clearly touched many lives around
him and his family with warmth, tolerance, and respect.  

Instead of a movie or a dinner out or other pleasures of life that I might
enjoy this week, I'm sending what I might spend on myself to help Matthew's
family defray the no-doubt enormous medical bills and expenses associated
with Matthew's care during the last many days and to speak my support for
Matthew's family in knowing that people really do care.  Matthew can't ever
go out or come out again.

Shocked and saddened,
Patti

"If you ever see my being beaten senseless by a bunch of cops, please put
the camera down and help my ass out!"  -  Bobcat Goldthwait

- ------------------
http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?1998/10/12/1

  Bashed WY Student Dies 
        Monday, October 12, 1998 / 04:13 PM 

Openly gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard died shortly
  before 1am on October 12 of the injuries he received in a widely-publicized
  assault October 7. Two men had already been charged with attempted
  murder, kidnapping and robbery, and each is held on a $100,000 bond; their
  girlfriends, charged as accessories after the fact, are under $30,000 bonds,
  one is at large and the other in jail. Police have indicated that the
charges will
  now be upgraded from attempted murder to first-degree murder, which in
  Wyoming could mean the death penalty. Shepard, only 5'2", was severely
  beaten, including having his skull smashed probably by the butt of a gun,
  leading to brain injuries and a coma from which he never emerged; he was
  then tied to a fence and left for hours on a night of near-freezing
temperatures
  before being discovered, ending any hope which early treatment might have
  offered for his recovery. Previous reports that he was also burned were not
  confirmed by physicians treating him. 

Shepard's parents issued a statement October 10 saying, "Matthew is a very
  special person, and everyone can learn important lessons from his life.
All of
  us who know Matthew see him as he is, a very kind and gentle soul. He is a
  strong believer in humanity and human rights. He is a trusting person who
  takes everybody at face value and he does not see the bad side of anyone.
His
  one intolerance is when people don't accept others as they are. He has
always
  strongly felt that all people are the same-regardless of their sexual
preference,
  race or religion.... We know he believes that all of us are part of the same
  family called Humanity, and each and everyone of us should treat all people
  with respect and dignity, and that each of us has the right to live a
full and
  rewarding life. That is one lesson which we are very certain he would share
  with you, if he could." Shepard, a political science major who spoke three
  languages, had been looking forward to a career in diplomacy to further his
  goal of advancing human rights. Donations in his memory and to defray his
  medical expenses can be sent to: Fund for the Benefit of Matthew Shepard,
  c/o First National Bank, P.O. Box 578, Fort Collins, CO 80522, account
  number 1926083. 

  The father and girlfriend of suspect Aaron McKinney appear to be paving the
  way for a homosexual panic defense for him. Kristen Price told reporters
that
  Shepard had humiliated McKinney by flirting with him at the Fireside
  Lounge -- the same bar from which police say the suspects enticed Shepard
  into their truck on the night of the beating by telling him they were gay
- -- and
  that McKinney and suspect Russell Henderson had only intended to get back
  at Shepard for that by robbing him. "It wasn't meant to be a hate crime,"
she
  insisted. "They just wanted to rob him." The men did take Shepard's wallet,
  credit cards and shoes (so he couldn't walk home), and had apparently tied
  him up so they could return to his home and burglarize it. She said that,
"It just
  got out of hand." Price and Henderson's girlfriend, Chastity Palsey,
admitted
  to having initially lied to police, trying to provide an alibi for their
boyfriends,
  and had also helped dispose of the men's bloodied clothing. Price denies
that
  any of the four, who are all close friends, hate gays. 

  McKinney's father, while admitting there was no excuse for the violence that
  had taken place, said that Shepard had "pushed himself onto him and that he
  had embarrassed him and Russ in front of all their friends and everybody
at the
  Fireside." He also said, "Had this been a heterosexual these two boys
decided
  to take out and rob, this never would have made the national news. Now my
  son is guilty before he's even had a trial." At the request of prosecutors,
  records in the case have been sealed and a gag order placed on the parties
  involved. 

[...snip...]

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #162
Date: October 14, 1998 3:00 AM

etheridge-digest      Wednesday, October 14 1998      Volume 02 : Number 162

  Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard                 [CalifiaFn2@aol.com]
  *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rock]
  Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?  [briefqueen@juno.com (M ]
  Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard  ["Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmo]
  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #161       [Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>]
  Re: *etheridge*NIGC Matt Shepard                          [MickMcC@aol.com]
  *etheridge* YLS pop-up               ["Patty Kolakowski" <pattyk@nwfl.net>]
  Re: *etheridge* YLS pop-up                               [KUKULSKI@aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:05:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: CalifiaFn2@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard

In a message dated 10/12/98 9:47:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
pattif@iadfw.net writes:

<< Not a one said *anything* to stop it or to disown it immediately
 and go to the authorities >>

Just to follow up on this thought:

as a bit of "opposition research" if you will, I subscribe to various
Christian Right newsletters -- Family Research Council and Focus on the
Family, to name a couple.

*Not one word* from either of these two groups denouncing this attack.
Stupid, sad, sick, and in control if we stay apathetic in November.

Marnie

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?

last week, i mentioned that "The Puppy Episode" ("Ellen's" coming
out episode) would air tonight on U.S. cable station, Lifetime, at 
6-7 pm PT (MLE's in the tag scene).

well, last night, Lifetime decided to air a melissa gilbert/bruce
boxleitner movie instead without warning.  so, either this will
push the airing of "The Puppy Episode" to tomorrow night or it 
could still air tonight or it might air on a future undetermined 
date.

stay tuned...

*rhondda*

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:06:51 -0400
From: briefqueen@juno.com (M Something)
Subject: Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?

Rhondda wrote:

>last week, i mentioned that "The Puppy Episode" ("Ellen's" coming
>out episode) would air tonight on U.S. cable station, Lifetime, at 
>6-7 pm PT (MLE's in the tag scene).

It did.  Thanks for the heads up, Rhondda.  I never thought "Ellen" was
the greatest show on television, but after viewing "The Puppy Episode"
again, I do believe it was one of the funniest episodes of any show that
I've ever seen.  It's a true classic.

BTW, finally seeing MLE sing to Ellen during the opening of the second
half was a real treat also.

Michelle

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eventually you'll trip over the lump that they make."
                                                                         
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:07:28 -0400
From: "Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard

Marnie said:

Stupid, sad, sick, and in control if we stay apathetic in November.

     I agree!  I plan to send money because I am able to right now.  Even if
you can't, please vote!  In whatever country you're in, if you have the
right and responsibility to vote for your government, please do it.  It's
critical that all peace-and love-minded people exert influence over our
callous world.  Change is inevitable - we determine its direction.
           KIP,
              Martha

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:35:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #161

I had to add my two cents on this:

>>> The father and girlfriend of suspect Aaron
McKinney appear to be paving the
  way for a homosexual panic defense for him.
Kristen Price told reporters
that
  Shepard had humiliated McKinney by flirting
with him at the Fireside
  Lounge -- the same bar from which police say
the suspects enticed Shepard
  into their truck on the night of the beating by
telling him they were gay
- - -- and
  that McKinney and suspect Russell Henderson had
only intended to get back
  at Shepard for that by robbing him. "It wasn't
meant to be a hate crime,"<<<<<

Hmmm, homosexual panic...if I was in a homosexual panic I don't think
I would entice one of them into my car.  

Imagine how many men would be in trouble if every one of them who ever
flirted with or humiliated a woman was treated this way.  

Hmmm it wasn't meant to be a hate crime...Do we only rob beat them in
the head and tie up people we like?  

And if I remember correctly, in this country  we are punished for the
wrong we do, not for what we only intended to do. 
For instance, two children are in critical condition because a  driver
swerved around the crossing guard here on my street and hit the kids. 
Of course he didn't mean to hit them. He only intended to save a bit
of time. 
But his actions resulted in the hospitalization of these two boys.  
He was late to work where he may feel humiliated in front of his
co-workers. Sad, sad for all involved.  Maybe these boys didn't mean
to kill Matt Shepard.  Too bad.  That was the result of thier actions.
One must realize when you break the law the consequences are yours no
matter what you meant to do.  
My prayers are with Matt's family.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:04:16 EDT
From: MickMcC@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge*NIGC Matt Shepard

Matthew Shepard weighed 103 pounds and was barely 5'2. The night before his
brutal beating, he called one of his friends from Salisbury, NC to tell him
about his excitement upon finding his weight was 103. Matt was overcoming
anorexia. He had moved several times because he felt unsafe. In Laramie, he
felt safe and protected. It was a college town, and therefore fairly liberal,
despite the rest of the state. He no longer felt he had to live in constant
fear. Having had several friends bashed and/or raped, I know that it's one of
the single most humiliating things a person has to go through. My best friend
was gang raped and badly beaten this past summer, and told a grand total of 3
people of his pain. His ex-boyfriend was whipped with a chain and left to die
the summer before. None of my gay friends, or myself for that matter, can go
home and feel safe. Why do we live in a society where homosexuals must live in
fear? I urge everyone here to discuss with your local representatives the
passing of the Hate Crimes Act of 1998, which will allow for greater
sentencing of criminals who commit hate crimes against all people, including
African-Americans, women, gays, lesbians, etc. This cannot go on. 
Mick <jumps off podium>
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:12:07 -0500
From: "Patty Kolakowski" <pattyk@nwfl.net>
Subject: *etheridge* YLS pop-up

Hi,

I took a little peek at VH1's schedule concerning the Your Little Secret
Pop-up video and this is what I found:

Sunday 10/18 3:00pm ET
Pop-Up Video

Videos include: Eric Clapton "My Father's Eyes", The Verve "Bitter Sweet
Symphony" Melissa Etheridge "Your Little Secret", The Cars "Magic" and
Murray Head "One Night in Bangkok"

I haven't had a chance to see it yet, but I'll have the VCR going Sunday.

pk

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:51:57 EDT
From: KUKULSKI@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* YLS pop-up

In a message dated 10/13/98 10:14:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pattyk@nwfl.net
writes:

<< I took a little peek at VH1's schedule concerning the Your Little Secret
 Pop-up video and this is what I found:
 
 Sunday 10/18 3:00pm ET
 Pop-Up Video
 
 Videos include: Eric Clapton "My Father's Eyes", The Verve "Bitter Sweet
 Symphony" Melissa Etheridge "Your Little Secret", The Cars "Magic" and
 Murray Head "One Night in Bangkok" 

>>Yes, this is the line up when we caught it!  Set your vcr's people.  And for
those of you who like editing ... it will be the third or fourth video if my
recollection serves me well!

Kay/Les 
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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #163
Date: October 15, 1998 3:00 AM

etheridge-digest      Thursday, October 15 1998      Volume 02 : Number 163

  Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard  [o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yaho]
  Re: *etheridge*NIGC Matt Shepard  [o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* ITYWM.. on Hyperion Bay!  ["Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com]
  Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@]
  *etheridge* Gay Documentary--NMEC                         [JLUCKY7@aol.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC - Ellen                     [karen.mueller@corp.octel.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  Washington Vigil        [Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>]
  Re: *etheridge* Gay Documentary--NMEC                  [CalifiaFn2@aol.com]
  *etheridge* Melissa withdrawal    [ray@instinct.ndirect.co.uk (Ray Shanks)]

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC:  Matthew Shepard

> Marnie said:
> Stupid, sad, sick, and in control if we stay apathetic in November.

- ---Martha Brandwene <marthab@monmouth.com> wrote: 
>      I agree!  I plan to send money because I am able to right now. 
Even if
> you can't, please vote!  In whatever country you're in, if you have
the
> right and responsibility to vote for your government, please do it. 
It's
> critical that all peace-and love-minded people exert influence over
our
> callous world.  Change is inevitable - we determine its direction.
>            KIP,
>               Martha

I just want to add my two cents worth for those of us
who are too young to vote -- apathy comes in many forms
but we can make a difference! -Anyone- can speak out 
and raise public awareness.

Liv (Hi everyone, I'm new here.)
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge*NIGC Matt Shepard

- ---MickMcC@aol.com wrote:

> I urge everyone here to discuss with your local representatives the
> passing of the Hate Crimes Act of 1998, which will allow for greater
> sentencing of criminals who commit hate crimes against all people,
including
> African-Americans, women, gays, lesbians, etc. This cannot go on. 
> Mick <jumps off podium>

For anyone who isn't familiar with the Hate Crimes Prevention
Act, you can check it out at:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c105:./temp/~c105kGRQOL.

If you want to know whether your state has a hate crime law that
includes sexual orientation, go here:
http://www.hrc.org/issues/hate/states.html

If you want to write to your state rep, but aren't sure who
that is, check out: http://www.house.gov/writerep/ and you 
can go to http://www.berkshire.net/~ifas/activist/ to find
a directory of congress people and media. Email addresses 
are included. 

Finally, I'm enclosing a copy of a draft I found online that
you can use to write to your Senators and House Members, if
you so choose. 

Draft email:  

 Dear XXXXX:  
      I am writing to urge you to pass the Hate
 Crimes Prevention Act (H.R.3081 and S.1529). 
 As you know, Matthew Shepard was brutally
 tied up, tortured, pistol-whipped and then left
 to die in Wyoming because he was gay. 
 Wyoming does not have a hate crimes law -
 and only 21 states and the District of Columbia
 include sexual orientation-based crimes in their
 hate crimes statutes.   
      The FBI may not have jurisdiction to
 investigate the Shepard case without passage
 of the Hate Crimes Act.  You can change that
 sad fact.  With hate crimes against gay men
 and lesbians on the rise last year, while crime
 overall decreased, it is imperative that
 Congress stand up to hate and violence and
 pass the Hate Crimes Prevention Act now.   
      Thank you,  
      NAME AND ADDRESS  


Hope this is helpful.

Liv
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:01:16 -0400
From: "Charles A. Kunz" <drchuck@nais.com>
Subject: *etheridge* ITYWM.. on Hyperion Bay!

I know, I should have posted this on Monday when I saw it :)  But I
happened to be flipping around on the TV on Monday night (about to turn it
off actually) and I stopped on Hyperion Bay (new show on the WB network).
There was a song playing in the background, and I recognized it at ITYWM!
So I waited til the song was over, then turned off the TV :)

Chuck
(who watches *Buffy*, not Hyperion bay!)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?

M Something <briefqueen@juno.com> wrote:  

> BTW, finally seeing MLE sing to Ellen during the opening of the 
> second half was a real treat also.

this was an unexpected treat!  i had never heard that MLE had done
another song besides the "Ellen Morgan Coming Out Blues Song" during
the "Ellen" taping, so i just about fell off my couch when i saw
this!

after saying, "Hi, I'm Melissa Etheridge, and I'd like to sing my
friend, Ellen, here a song", MLE sings the following verse to Ellen 
to the tune of Texas' "So Called Friend", "Ellen's" usual theme 
song:

"Ellen, you're brave to do the things you do
I - I think you're smart and cute and funny, too
I'm so proud that I know you
Ooooh, yeah"

Ellen responds, "Go on" after MLE finished.  <g>

during the song, Ellen was sitting in profile on a stool/chair. when 
MLE sings the smart/cute/funny line, Ellen held her hand up to her
face in embarrassment.  it was sweet!

*rhondda*

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:30:45 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Gay Documentary--NMEC

Just thought a good many of the folks on this list might want to know abou=
t
this documentary airing:

<<Beginning October 15, 1998, PBS affiliates across the United States will
show =B3Out of the Past,=B2 an award-winning new documentary about lesbian=
 and gay
history in the United States.  In communities as varied as Morgantown, WV,
Little Rock, AK, Harlingen, TX and Burlington, VT, PBS viewers will have t=
he
opportunity to learn about the place of lesbians and gay men in our societ=
y
over more than 300 years of U.S. history.

Below is a list of local airdates and times (be sure to check local listin=
gs
in case of changes).  If your affiliate does not appear on the list below,
please call them and ask why.

Scheduled Out of the Past Airdates (as of 10/13/98)

CITY                =09CHANNEL  =09=09        DATE        =09=09TIME

Alliance, NE=09        KTNE/Channel 13=09=09  November 29=09  11:30pm

Austin, TX          =09KLRU/Channel 18   =09October 19=09=09  11:00pm

Baltimore, MD       =09WMPB/Channel 67   =09October 15=09=09  10:00pm

Basset, NE=09=09         KMNE/Channel 7=09=09   November 29=09  11:30pm

Bismark, SD         =09KBME/Channel 3     November 15   10:00pm

Boston, MA          =09WGBX/Channel 44   =09November 1=09=09  8:00pm

Burlington, VT      =09WETKChannel 33   =09 October 16=09=09  9:00pm

Cleveland, OH       =09WVIZ/Channel 25    October 16     1:00am

Denver, CO          =09KRMA/Channel 6    =09October 16=09=0912:00am

Dickinson, SD       =09KDSE/Channel 9      =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Ellendale, SD       =09KJRE/Channel 19     =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Eureka, CA          =09KEET/Channel13   =09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Fargo, SD           =09KFME/Channel 13     =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Grand Forks, ND     KGFE/Channel 2      =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Harlingen, TX       =09KMBH/Channel 60   =09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Hartford, CT        =09WEDH/Channel 24   =09October 18=09=092:00pm

Hastings, NE=09       KHNE/Channel 29=09=09   November 29=0911:30pm

Kansas City, MO     KCPT/Channel 19   =09October 16=09=0912:00am 

Lexington, NE=09      KLNE/Channel 3=09=09November 29=0911:30pm

Little Rock, AR     =09KETS/Channel 2    =09October 15=09=099:00pm

Los Angeles, CA     KCET/Channel 28   =09October 29=09=0910:00pm

Marion, VA          =09WMSY/Channel 52    =09 October 15     =0910:00pm

Memphis, TN         =09WKNO/Channel 10   =09October 15=09=099:00pm

Merriman, NE        =09KRNE/Channel 12=09=09November 29=0911:30pm

Miami, FL           =09WPBT/Channel 2    =09October 24=09=091:00am

Minneapolis, MN     KTCA/Channel 2    =09=09October 15=09=0911:00pm

Minot, ND           =09KSRE/Channel 6      =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Morgantown, WV      WNPB/Channel 24  =09 October 15=09=092:00am

Morgantown, WV=09     WNPB/Channel 24=09=09October 17=09=093:00am

New Orleans, LA =09   WYES/Channel 12   =09October 15=09=099:00pm

New York, NY        =09WNET/Channel 13   =09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Norfolk, NE=09        KXNE/Channel 19=09=09November 29=0911:30pm

North Platte=09=09      KPNE/Channel 9=09=09November 29=0911:30pm

Norton, VA          =09WSBN/Channel 47     =09October 15   =0910:00pm

Omaha, NE=09=09         KYNE/Channel 26=09=09November 29=0911:30pm

Philadelphia, PA    =09WHYY/Channel 12   =09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Reno, NV            =09KNPB?Channel 5    =09October 16=09=092:30am 

Reno, NV=09           KNPB/Channel  5=09=09October 18=09=0912:00am

Roanoke, VA         =09WBRA/Channel 15     =09October 15     =0910:00pm

Sacramento, CA      KVIE/Channel 6   =09=09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Salt Lake City, UT=09 KUED/Channel  7    =09October 15 =09=097:00pm

Salt Lake City, UT=09 KUED/Channel 7=09=09October 16=09=093:00am

Salt Lake City, UT=09 KUED/Channel 7=09=09October 22=09=092:30am          =
              

San Antonio, TX =09   KLRN/Channel 9    =09October 15=09=099:00pm

San Diego, CA       =09KPBS/Channel 15   =09October 19=09=0912:00am

San Francisco, CA   KQED/Channel 9    =09October 15=09=0911:00pm

South Bend, IN      =09WNIT/Channel 34   =09October 15=09=0911:30pm

Spokane, WA         =09KSPS/Channel 7    =09October 16 =09=092:00am=09
=09=09=09=09=09=09=09                                 October 16=09=095:00=
am

Spokane, WA=09        KSPS/Channel 7=09=09    October 18=09=093:00am

Spokane, WA=09        KSPS/Channel 7=09=09    October 22 =09=094:30am
=09=09=09=09=09=09=09                                 October 22=09=091:30=
pm

Topeka, KS          =09KTWU/Channel 11   =09October 16=09=091:00am

Tucson, AZ          =09KUAT/Channel 6    =09October 16=09=0910:30pm

Wst Plm Beach, FL=09  WXEL/Channel 42   =09October 15=09=0910:00pm

Williston, SD       =09KWSE/Channel 4      =09November 15    =0910:00pm

Winnepeg, MAN       (Canadian PTV)      =09November 15    =0910:00pm


**************************************************************************=
*
Eliza Byard, Coordinator
Out of the Past Film Project

The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)
121 West 27th Street, Suite 804
New York, NY  10001
phone: (212) 727-0135 
fax: (212) 727-0254
email: ebyard@glsen.org>>>

Set those VCR's!

Joyce

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:25:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: karen.mueller@corp.octel.com
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Ellen

>  I missed the Puppy Episode last night.:(((  My ex taped over my 
>  copy of the first time it ran. Last night I got the times mixed 
>  up.  Came home just in time to see Melissa go nuts with her 
>  rubber stamp!  Is there anyone out there that I could somehow 
>  get a copy from?? Please?? Email me privately.  Thanks!
>  
>  Karen

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:30:26 -0500
From: Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  Washington Vigil

I think it's great that GLAAD, HRC, and NGLTF are joining hands along =
with Betty and Ellen DeGeneres, Anne Heche, Kristen Johnson, Helen Hunt, =
and possibly Elton John (perhaps Our Lady of Etheridge too? <g>) for =
this vigil and rally on the West steps of the U.S. Capitol tonight.  =
Here are some links about the event if you (or someone you know) are =
interested in attending or participating.

http://www.glaad.org

http://www.hrc.org/feature1/vigil.html

http://www.ngltf.org/press/dcvigil.html

http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?1998/10/13/1

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-10/14/075l-101498-idx.html

- ----------

A day of lighting many candles....

Patti, in Dallas with her Dyke-cat Molly, lighting a catnip-scented =
candle together for the loving life of our little flame-point lady as =
she curls up in the Big Chair for a long and much-deserved rest...."Good =
night, Gracie"....Sleep well, sweetheart...

                           GRACIE
               Feline Diva & UltraFemme-cat
                     9/17/93 - 10/14/98

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:43:52 EDT
From: CalifiaFn2@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Gay Documentary--NMEC

In a message dated 10/14/98 10:33:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
JLUCKY7@aol.com writes:

<< Philadelphia, PA    	WHYY/Channel 12   	October 15		10:00pm
 
 Reno, NV            	KNPB?Channel 5    	October 16		2:30am 
  >>

of course, it's not airing in Phoenix.  Figures.  Desert here in more ways
than one.  At least Tucson is on the ball.

marnie
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:03:56 GMT
From: ray@instinct.ndirect.co.uk (Ray Shanks)
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa withdrawal

Hey Melisters

I haven't posted for awhile but I've been here reading now and then
when subjects have caught my interest.

Its been ages since I've seen Melissa live, in fact the time span
doesn't bear thinking about really. I guess the year has been made
easier by meeting some of you at this years FF in Austin. Thanks go to
my good friend Liz the gutter gal and my fiancee Joyce the shirt gal
for arranging that.

Greetings to SueD, Randy, Bec and Renee and whom ever else from this
list I met in Austin but can't remember at the moment. Greetings also
to Jud whom I haven't met yet but hope to next year! Ya hear that you
slippery Kiwi?

Talking of which I'm looking forward to seeing you all again at next
years FF and I have to admit that I'm envious of you Liz traveling up
to Vancouver in a few weeks time to meet up with some fellow listers!
Not quite as warm as Texas but at least you'll have Bec and Joyce to
keep you warm when you get there <eg>

So Melissa, if you read this and you have any desire to hit the road
this fall or winter for even a short tour, Scotland waits for you and
I can assure you of a WARM welcome even if the climate is sub zero
when you arrive <g>

Well it was worth a try! ;)

Speak true and keep on listing.

Ray
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From: etheridge-digest <owner-etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #164
Date: October 16, 1998 3:01 AM

etheridge-digest       Friday, October 16 1998       Volume 02 : Number 164

  *etheridge* A New Combined Mailing List for Ellen,Anne,Melissa & KD!   [he]
  *etheridge* MTV Online:  R.E.M.'s Stipe, Melissa Etheridge Express Outrage Over Alleged Gay Attack  [Rhondda Ash]
  *etheridge* Congress Condemns Wyo. Death                [TahmeHawk@aol.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard  ["Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.]

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:58 +1000
From: heidimac@zip.com.au
Subject: *etheridge* A New Combined Mailing List for Ellen,Anne,Melissa & KD! 

Hi there!

We would you like to join the brand new Ellen Degeneres, Anne Heche,
Melissa Etheridge, & kd lang Combined Email Discussion
List?

This is a new list which is NOT in compeition with, but as a friendship
list to the Ellen List and the Etheridge list.

We wish to thank Glenna here for her permission in granting the posting of
this message to the great etheridge list!

Go to http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Inlet/6666 for sign up info!

Hope to see you soon,

Love,

Sioux and Heidi


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* MTV Online:  R.E.M.'s Stipe, Melissa Etheridge Express Outrage Over Alleged Gay Attack

go to this URL and check out the real audio interview with MLE.

*rhondda*


http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/981014/story9.html

R.E.M.'s Stipe, Melissa Etheridge Express Outrage Over Alleged Gay
Attack  
  
The music community is expressing its outrage over the murder of 
University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, who died on Monday 
after being brutally attacked and tied to a fence by two men who 
allegedly beat him because he was gay.

Speaking about the incident, R.E.M. frontman Michael Stipe said 
that homophobia is alive and well in America.
  
"I don't think there's been an acceptance of homosexuality or 
queerness on a mass scale in this country to start with," Stipe 
told MTV News via phone on Tuesday.  "It's one thing when it's 
entertainment based, when it's Ellen or someone like myself, 
who's presenting, you know, a very different side to entertainment. 
If it's something that can be categorized by television, or music, 
or the arts, but in day to day, I would say the homophobia still 
exists." [28.8 RealVideo] 

Meanwhile, singer and longtime activist Melissa Etheridge called 
the violent attack on Shepard a ghastly consequence of the change 
that must happen inside people's minds.

"Nothing in our history has ever come about, no change has ever 
come about without great resistance and violent resistance to it," 
Etheridge told MTV News on Tuesday.  "And then our children's 
children look back and go, 'What was that?  You mean they were 
lynching black men in trees?  What were they talking about?'  And 
my grandchildren will go, 'Oh my God, they tied up a man like a 
scarecrow and left him for dead because he was gay?' It will just 
seem so hideously unthinkable." [28.8 RealAudio]

Shepard's funeral will take place on Friday afternoon at St. Mark's 
Episcopal Church in Casper, Wyoming, and on Monday night, 800 
people attended an outdoor service for Shepard at the University 
of Wyoming.

GLAAD and the Human Rights Campaign are planning a candlelight vigil 
on the steps of the U.S. Capitol at 7 p.m. on Wednesday to call on 
Congress to pass a hate crime bill.

Across the country, gay and lesbian organizations are concerned 
about a serious upsurge in hate crimes and gay-bias attacks. On 
Saturday at Colorado State University, not far from the Poudre 
Valley Hospital where Shepard lay dying, a homecoming parade float 
displayed a scarecrow wearing an anti-gay message. In New York's 
Greenwich Village, six gay-bashing incidents have occurred in the 
last month.

Jeffrey Montgomery, executive director of the Triangle Foundation 
in Detroit, met with Michigan State students, and believes that 
"college campuses are dangerous places for gay people."

Shepard's parents have set up a fund in their son's name.  Donations 
can be sent to: 

Fund for the Benefit of Matthew Shepard
C/O First National Bank
P.O. Box 578
Fort Collins, CO 80522
Account number 1926083

Notes of condolence can also be e-mailed to mshepard@libra.pvh.org
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:01:14 EDT
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Congress Condemns Wyo. Death

Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news
report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed
without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

Congress Condemns Wyo. Death

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE

.c The Associated Press 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House pledged Thursday to fight prejudice and
intolerance as it voiced outrage over the beating death of a gay University of
Wyoming student. 

``We cannot lie down, we cannot bury our heads and we cannot sit on our
hands,'' said Rep. Barbara Cubin, R-Wyo., sponsor of a resolution that passed
by voice vote. 

``We will not stand for the arbitrary killing of other people due to any
hateful act of intolerance,'' added Cubin, whose two sons knew the 21-year-old
victim. 

Matthew Shepard died Monday at a Colorado hospital, five days after being
found pistol-whipped and tied to a fence post in near-freezing temperatures
outside Laramie, Wyo. 

Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., a co-sponsor, said protection is needed for gays
and lesbians who live their daily lives in fear of being violently attacked or
killed. 

``Matthew Shepard's murder proves their fear is not unjustified,'' she said. 

President Clinton, meanwhile, opened a White House conference on school
violence Thursday by calling once more for a new hate crimes law and by
ordering the Education Department's civil rights office to step up its
enforcement to stop discrimination and harassment of students. 

``We have got to do more to teach our young people to have tolerance and
respect for one another,'' the president said. 

Shepard's death has become a rallying point for gays and lesbians across the
country seeking state and federal protections against discrimination based on
sexual orientation. 

Legislation pending in the House and Senate would broaden existing law to
include offenses motivated by gender, disability and sexual orientation. It
also would make it easier for federal authorities to prosecute such bias
crimes. 

Democrats and Republicans urged Congress to act swiftly. 

``May the meaning of his life be that we pass a hate crimes act in this
Congress before we leave,'' House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., said
of Shepard. 

The bill is H.Res. 597. 

AP-NY-10-15-98 1410EDT 
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:03:36 -0400
From: "Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard

Hi all - I find myself listening to Melissa's music for solace these last
few days, especially Testify and Silent Legacy.  They motivate me to act
(letters to Congress) and comfort me at the same time.  Is anyone else
experiencing this?

         Martha

"It's not the love that dies but the understanding ways"
            - "Testify" by Melissa Etheridge

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From: etheridge-digest <owner-etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #165
Date: October 17, 1998 2:59 AM

etheridge-digest      Saturday, October 17 1998      Volume 02 : Number 165

  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164     [VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)]
  *etheridge* NMEC: New email address  ["Glenna Johnson" <glennaj@earthlink.]
  Re: *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard  [o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yaho]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  NCOD - Dallas           [Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  NCOD - Dallas (hopefully unmunched)  [Patti Fink <patti]
  *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat  [Margaret McArdle <m.mcardle@btinternet.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>]
  *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmai]
  Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat  [Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.co]
  Re: *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat                       [TahmeHawk@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat  [briefqueen@juno.com (M Somet]

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Date: 16 Oct 98 11:54:44 EDT
From: VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164

Since I didn't get to read the fruits of my last probing question (oo 
err!) here's another one.....

What would be the line up of you fantasy band? Answers on a postcard 
please... (or the list!!!)

PS I came up with this idea while at Roger Taylors gig in London the 
other night. He still rocks!

Vick

Before you criticise a man, walk a mile in his shoes. then you'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:33:48 -0700
From: "Glenna Johnson" <glennaj@earthlink.net>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC: New email address

Hi, all!

Just wanted to let anyone who cares know that my email address is changing
to glennaj@earthlink.net.

Take care!

Glenna Johnson
glennaj@earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: o l i v i a <heavy_with_mood@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard

- ---Martha Brandwene <marthab@monmouth.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all - I find myself listening to Melissa's music for solace these
last
> few days, especially Testify and Silent Legacy.  They motivate me to
act
> (letters to Congress) and comfort me at the same time.  Is anyone else
> experiencing this?
> 
>          Martha

Me! I've also been doing a lot of reading and found this
poem rather comforting. It was written by a Zen Master as 
he was about to die, serving as a summation of life and a
parting gift to inspire his disciples.

"Finally out of reach-
No bondage, no dependency.
How calm the ocean,
Towering the void."

- -Tessho 

Liv
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:17:32 -0500
From: Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  NCOD - Dallas

Hey there, MElisters...

I don't know if any of the rest of you had official Nat'l Coming Out Day
activities in your cities last Sunday, but we had our annual NCOD here =
in
Dallas -- "Gay Day" at the State Fair of Texas <g>.  The keynote speaker
this year was Kate Bornstein, gender activist ("Gender Outlaw" <g>) and =
author
...and she was an *amazing* speaker, very thought-provoking views on
gender and on our individual perceptions and tolerance of ourselves and
others, of choosing the path at every turn that keeps us true to our =
heart...and she did it=20
with a great Whoopie Goldberg-esque approach -- serious issues in a
comic yet profoundly powerful delivery.  The text of her address will be =
posted
soon on the Dallas NCOD website at:  http://www.comeout.org

Kudos to our own Janis Delmonte <waving to Janis and her PIP Claudia> =
who
co-chaired the DFW NCOD again this year!  Great job on a successful =
event,
Janis!  In addition to the hard behindthescenes work of organizing such =
an
event, Janis spoke as well, introducing speakers and sponsors with ease =
to
a diverse crowd and TV cameras. :)   Texas House Rep Harryette Ehrhardt =
spoke as well...always an inspiring thing to know that such folks =
represent us in the Legislature.
 It was interesting to watch Fair-goers who inadvertently entered the =
bandshell (a large amphitheater on the fairgrounds) as they came to that =
moment of realization about what
they'd walked into....some did a quick 180, while others lingered...some =
even taking
a seat to listen.  (I took some pics, Janis...and should have them back =
early next week -- though I don't know if they'll measure up to =
Claudia's photography <g>)

There's nothing quite as Pride-ful as walking around the State Fair all =
day
with your friends, all slathered in stickers and buttons that testify =
who
we are.  We had a great time!...and lots of people stopped us, asking =
about
where to get shirts and buttons.  I thought the crowd this year
was very friendly and, if anything, we were a source of intrigue to =

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:23:37 -0500
From: Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  NCOD - Dallas (hopefully unmunched)

Hmm....is esosoft munching mail? ;)

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Hey there, MElisters...

I don't know if any of the rest of you had official Nat'l Coming Out Day =
activities in your cities last Sunday, but we had our annual NCOD here =
in Dallas -- "Gay Day" at the State Fair of Texas <g>.  The keynote =
speaker this year was Kate Bornstein, gender activist ("Gender Outlaw" =
<g>) and author ...and she was an *amazing* speaker, very =
thought-provoking views on gender and on our individual perceptions and =
tolerance of ourselves and others, of choosing the path at every turn =
that keeps us true to our heart...and she did it  with a great Whoopie =
Goldberg-esque approach -- serious issues in a comic yet profoundly =
powerful delivery.  The text of her address will be posted soon on the =
Dallas NCOD website at:  http://www.comeout.org

Kudos to our own Janis Delmonte <waving to Janis and her PIP Claudia> =
who co-chaired the DFW NCOD again this year!  Great job on a successful =
event, Janis!  In addition to the hard behindthescenes work of =
organizing such an event, Janis spoke as well, introducing speakers and =
sponsors with ease to a diverse crowd and TV cameras. :)   Texas House =
Rep Harryette Ehrhardt spoke as well...always an inspiring thing to know =
that such folks represent us in the Legislature.  It was interesting to =
watch Fair-goers who inadvertently entered the bandshell (a large =
amphitheater on the fairgrounds) as they came to that moment of =
realization about what they'd walked into....some did a quick 180, while =
others lingered...some even taking a seat to listen.  (I took some pics, =
Janis...and should have them back early next week -- though I don't know =
if they'll measure up to Claudia's photography <g>)

There's nothing quite as Pride-ful as walking around the State Fair all =
day with your friends, all slathered in stickers and buttons that =
testify who we are.  We had a great time!...and lots of people stopped =
us, asking about where to get shirts and buttons.  I thought the crowd =
this year was very friendly and, if anything, we were a source of =
intrigue to some. ;)

We had a MElister kinda day, heading down with fellow Dallasite Liz =
Spector and our FW neighbors Karen (Tigerlily) & Tasha....we missed you, =
Renee! :)  Liz got a pic of me with the special "Kids Only" stalls in =
the Women's restroom....where the majority of the stalls were reserved =
for the pint-sized....teeeeeny tiny little toilets....just my size!! =
<bfg>  And a milestone...after years of irresistable challenge at the =
"Flip A Chick" booth on the Midway (who can resist a sign that says "3 =
Chicks For $1"? <w>), I FINally landed a chick in the pot, winning a big =
yellow rubber chicken on a keychain :)  I dunno...after winning an =
autographed pic of <faux swoon> Rikki Lake at last year's NCOD raffle =
and missing the Elton John pic by ONE number this year, I'm pretty proud =
of my chick <g>  Tasha and Liz seemed to have succumbed briefly to the =
SUV lust-fest in the Auto building...but they weren't alone, fer sure ;) =
 An overall fun and laid-back day at the State Fair...like my sister =
says, "It's crowded, expensive, and dirty....what's not to like?" <bg>

Many thanks to MElister friends for the kind notes of condolence on the =
recent unexpected passing of my cat Gracie....your thoughtfulness was =
appreciated, and I passed your caring notes along to Ms. Molly as well =
:)

Patti, in Dallas, with hope that the service in Wyoming was peaceful and =
private for the Shepard family today, and with relief that the US =
Congress finally rose together in strength to speak as one voice in =
passing a resolution to denounce this crime of hate as intolerable


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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:17:02 +0100
From: Margaret McArdle <m.mcardle@btinternet.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat

Was Melissa not to have another on-line chat on the 14th ? I did send my
details to MEIN with no avail as ever ..........
has anyone got a transcript ??

Margaret

P.S. Why is it when I do a search on Melissa + "Beloved" I'm getting
Oprah Winfrey as the result ...... who got the idea from who ????<g> ??

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat

Margaret McArdle <m.mcardle@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Was Melissa not to have another on-line chat on the 14th ? I did 
> send my details to MEIN with no avail as ever ..........
> has anyone got a transcript ??
 
the transcript for MLE's 10/14 MEIN chat is now available on 
MEIN's web site.  check out http://fanasylum.com/melissa/main.html
- - there's a link from that page.

but to answer your question, i haven't received a transcript via
MEIN mail yet.  not too surprising since their mail tends to show
up in my in-box hours after it's time-stamped.  <shrug>

...and i'm off to read the transcript *now*!  :-)

*rhondda*

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat

i just read the transcript for MLE's chat this past wednesday.  she's
going to take a break from doing the chats until january which makes
sense considering that JC is due next month.  oh, and she's doing
a spring tour, but no dates or cities are confirmed yet.  

her favorite candy bar is Twix.  i knew we were all dying to learn
that.  <g>

but one thing in particular jumped out at me...when asked "when's 
julie's due date?", MLE responded:

> <<*V* Melissa>> Nov. 16th 

<fainting> <thud> and what a fabulous day that is!  ;-)

so, what do we get if we win the baby pool?  <g>

*rhondda*

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:50:40
From: Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat

Rhondda inquired:

>but one thing in particular jumped out at me...when asked "when's 
>julie's due date?", MLE responded:
>
>> <<*V* Melissa>> Nov. 16th 
>
><fainting> <thud> and what a fabulous day that is!  ;-)
>
>so, what do we get if we win the baby pool?  <g>

Um....a Twix? ;)

Patti 

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:15:54 EDT
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Melissa MEIN Chat

In a message dated 98-10-16 20:51:35 EDT, m.mcardle@btinternet.com writes:

<< has anyone got a transcript ?? >>

I haven't seen the transcript MEIN promised from last month chat.    Typical
MEIN, promise it's members things and not deliver.

<<Why is it when I do a search on Melissa + "Beloved" I'm getting
Oprah Winfrey as the result>>

That's the name of Oparh's new movie.  From what I've heard "Beloved" is only,
at this point, the working title of Melissa's new CD.

Lynn   :-)    <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TahmeHawk/Home.html">TahmeHawk's
Place</A> 
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:39:17 -0400
From: briefqueen@juno.com (M Something)
Subject: Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat

Rhondda wrote:
>her favorite candy bar is Twix.  i knew we were all dying to learn
>that.  <g>

Oh no!  Purple socks were harmless, but getting pelted by flying Twix
bars could cause some serious bruises.

Michelle

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eventually you'll trip over the lump that they make."
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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #166
Date: October 18, 1998 3:00 AM

etheridge-digest       Sunday, October 18 1998       Volume 02 : Number 166

  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164       [Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* Ignorance Crimes, 10/14 MEIN chat  [Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.n]

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164

A friend told me that he'd heard the suggestion that the term 
"Ignorance Crimes" be used in place of "Hate Crimes" as those that are
proud of thier hate may not be as proud to be termed ignorant.  I
thought it was a clever idea. 
I had never before heard that God hates until I saw the sign that "God
hates Queers". What better justification for hate.
Ignorance is bliss...Ignorance breeds violence.
Ignorance is a tricky thing.
Lynn
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:27:42
From: Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>
Subject: *etheridge* Ignorance Crimes, 10/14 MEIN chat

Lynn <omysister@yahoo.com> wrote:

>A friend told me that he'd heard the suggestion that the term 
>"Ignorance Crimes" be used in place of "Hate Crimes" as those that are
>proud of thier hate may not be as proud to be termed ignorant.  I
>thought it was a clever idea. 

Bravo!  And here's another interesting approach reported in an editor's
note trailing an article on Planet Out --
http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?1998/10/16/1

<< [Ed. note: The small turnout of anti-gay protestors meant that a
  "Bigot-O-Thon" -- a campaign launched by several activists that resulted
  in thousands of people pledging an amount of money per picketer to the
  Matthew Shepard Memorial Fund -- may not have been as successful in
  fundraising as it was in creativity of response, but donations in honor of
  Matthew can still be sent to First National Bank, P.O. Box 578, Fort
  Collins, Colorado 80522, Acct # 1926083.] >>

- ------------------------------------

>From the 10/14 MEIN chat:

<> ok i need to know,,,,, now that you have a toddler. 
<<*V* Melissa>> yes... 
<> do you ever get to go to the bathroom by yourself? 
<<*V* Melissa>> Ha...funny...no 
<<*V* Melissa>> mama's going potty 
<> lmao 

LOL!!  What a great exchange! :)  Nice to see Melissa down-to-earth as ever
;)  

<> don't let the bany songs ruin your brain,,,lol 
<<*V* Melissa>> I love you, you love me 

(I think that's a typo on "baby")  Ahhh...."It Of The One Tooth" <g>

<<*T* Pattymelt>> I would like to know what kinda car you drive 
<<*V* Melissa>> I have a BMW 740i and a Dodge Durango 

....and...four car seats? ;)   (or soon to be)

In reading the chat transcript, I was looking forward to Melissa's answer
to the question about whether Kenny would be touring with her on the new
album....but, alas, she answered one of the other jillion questions in the
fray instead <sigh>

On the heels of the Joplin project, I'm glad to see Melissa still has an
interest in film...

<<*T* drlo>> what other big dream'goal do you still have to fulfill 
<<*V* Melissa>> Well I love film and I really want to do more in it...I
just have to find the right "thing" 

Another fine chat without any huge new info but, as always, a fun read :)

Patti, heading out into the Dallas rain


"Coming out was funny.  It was like finally registering your car.  And when
it's not registered, you're always worried that every cop, every policeman
is going to get you.  You've got that weight on your shoulders, and you're
always looking behind you."
 - Melissa Etheridge

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #167
Date: October 19, 1998 3:01 AM

etheridge-digest       Monday, October 19 1998       Volume 02 : Number 167

  *etheridge* ONLINE DAY OF ACTION FOR MATTHEW Friday October 16, 1998  [Ind]
  *etheridge* Thank you everyone        [Laura <bec2412@iperbole.bologna.it>]
  Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat            [Jessluvsu2@aol.com]

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:50:06 EDT
From: IndigoKat@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* ONLINE DAY OF ACTION FOR MATTHEW Friday October 16, 1998

ONLINE DAY OF ACTION FOR MATTHEW
Friday October 16, 1998

*** NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS ANNOUNCE DAY OF URGENT ACTION TO HONOR MATTHEW
SHEPARD ***
*** EVERYONE URGED TO PHONE LOTT AND GINGRICH NOW!!! ***


WHO:  The Human Rights Campaign, Wired Strategies, GLAAD, NGLTF and
PlanetOut are jointly sponsoring a national day of action to tell Congress
"Enough is Enough - Pass the Hate Crimes Law NOW!"

WHAT:  We are mobilizing the Net to shut down the phones of House Speaker
Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott until they pass the HATE
CRIMES PREVENTION ACT.  Congress' last day for the year is Friday October 16
- - so we need to act now, and close them down all day long. (Congress has not
passed the budget bill as of 6pm Friday and has announced they will return on
Monday so it's not too late to call tonight, over the weekend or Monday.)

WHEN:  Friday October 16, naturally.

HOW'S IT WORK?:  The action is easy.

1) Pick up the phone and call Sen. Lott and Rep. Gingrich now!
 *  Lott's phone numbers: (202) 224-3135, and (202) 224-6253
 *  Gingrich's phone numbers: (202) 225-0600, and (202) 225-4501
 *  TELL THEM: "Matthew Shepard's death in not just a tragedy, it's
unacceptable.  Congress has been sitting on the Hate Crimes Prevention Act
for over a year.  Pass it now before the Congressional session is over!"

2) Send this email to as many friends as possible, urging them to act.

3) If you have a Web site, we would ask that you post a new home page all
day Friday - which we provide below - honoring Matthew and calling on
everyone visiting your site to call Sen. Lott and Rep. Gingrich immediately.
 The html text for the page is included below.


A FINAL WORD: Matthew Shepard may be gone, but we refuse to let his too
short life and untimely death be in vain.  Please join us now in turning our
sorrow and anger into positive action.  If you need some inspiration, take
another look at the Virtual Vigil page on the Matthew Shepard Online
Resources Web site, read the quotes and see the pictures, again.  And
remember why we're doing this. 
<http://www.wiredstrategies.com/shepard.html>

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:23:01 +0200
From: Laura <bec2412@iperbole.bologna.it>
Subject: *etheridge* Thank you everyone

Dearmelisters,

I' ve been on this list for two months and this is my first e-mail.
I would like to thank everyone who sustain me with all these info.
(the account of the HRC and GMA were great! ).

All the way from Italy!
Laura

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 be strong, believe in what you feel." - M.L. Etheridge

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:34:13 EDT
From: Jessluvsu2@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* more on the 10/14 MEIN chat

In a message dated 98-10-16 21:20:18 EDT, you write:

<< but one thing in particular jumped out at me...when asked "when's 
 julie's due date?", MLE responded:
 
 > <<*V* Melissa>> Nov. 16th 
 
 <fainting> <thud> and what a fabulous day that is!  ;-)
  >>

I agree! This is a great day! It's my birthday! It would be totally awesome to
share a birthday with their 2nd little bundle of joy!!!!!!!

An overexuberant fan,

Jessie
=)

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #168
Date: October 20, 1998 2:59 AM

etheridge-digest       Tuesday, October 20 1998       Volume 02 : Number 168

  *etheridge* babies                           [VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)]
  *etheridge* MLE's touring band; Twix  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.c]
  *etheridge* excerpts of MLE's HRC speech  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketma]
  Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?  [ines <h9650292@obelix.w]

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Date: 19 Oct 98 11:32:41 EDT
From: VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)
Subject: *etheridge* babies

Does this mean we get to play the 'guess when the sprogg will be 
born' game again?!
How about a boy, 7lb on 9th november? I know that's pretty early if 
the due date is supposed to be mid november, but it's my little bro's 
birthday and he's the coolest bloke I know!

Ok enough from me - let the baby date flood gates open....

Before you criticise a man, walk a mile in his shoes. then you'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* MLE's touring band; Twix

Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>, from sloshy texas, wrote:  

> In reading the chat transcript, I was looking forward to 
> Melissa's answer to the question about whether Kenny would be 
> touring with her on the new album....but, alas, she answered one 
> of the other jillion questions in the fray instead <sigh>

ah, yes, but MLE *did* answer similar questions in the last 2 
chats.

Exhibit A, from the 08/04/98 chat:

> DavidF279 <<What's the deal with Mark Brown...is he with Paula 
> Cole full time now?
> *V*Melissa <<Since I am not touring now, Mark, John and Kenny are 
> all out on tour with other artist...They will all return for my
> next tour.

and, Exhibit B, from the 09/09/98 chat (nods to PK for this 
question):

> pk Will you try to tour with the same band?
> *V* Melissa I will try they have all said they want to join me, 
> I may even add a keyboard player

not only does it look like her YLS (U.S.) touring band will be the
same, but it also looks like she's going to add a member.  so, 
will it be susie?  or walker?  or somebody completely different?

M Something <briefqueen@juno.com> wrote:  

> Oh no!  Purple socks were harmless, but getting pelted by flying 
> Twix bars could cause some serious bruises.

...and when those Twix bars are slingshot to the stage using the 
nearest available spare bra, then they turn into deadly weapons!
either that, or there's going to be a lot of squished chocolate
bars on stage.  

stick to the purple socks, people!  <g>

*rhondda*  <--- who's still trying to get over sarah mclachlan
sitting in with phish at yesterday's magical bridge school benefit 
concert  :-D
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* excerpts of MLE's HRC speech

HRC has added excerpts of MLE's HRC speech to their web site.
there's also a picture of the 2 of them standing at the podium
- - JC's in profile and she's looking mighty pregnant!  <g>  
you can also download a 150 dpi TIFF file (829 K) of the same 
picture at the URL below.

*rhondda* 


http://www.hrc.org/events/national98/family.html

Washington D.C.
Melissa Etheridge and Julie Cypher
National Dinner
September 19, 1998

"Julie and I would like to say that, actually, we feel a little 
awkward and a little confused about this award.  We don't feel 
like we've done anything extraordinary by loving each other and 
in by deepening that love by bringing a beautiful child into this 
world, you know?  I mean those things are so rewarding just in 
themselves and people do that everyday, every single day.  I mean 
what's the big deal, really?  But, actually, when we take a moment 
and we lift our heads out of this heaven we have here on earth, 
we remember sometimes in some places, still, love can be considered 
fearful or strange or even dangerous.  So, yes, maybe some of you 
would see our simple family to be courageous.  But I'll tell you 
what:  Julie and I, we can see a time in our lifetime where these 
kind of awards will just no longer be necessary."

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:29:03 +0200
From: ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* "The Puppy Episode" airing date?

Rhondda Ashby wrote:

> this was an unexpected treat!  i had never heard that MLE had done
> another song besides the "Ellen Morgan Coming Out Blues Song" during
> the "Ellen" taping, so i just about fell off my couch when i saw
> this!

I was so lucky to see MLE singing to Ellen during the opening of the
puppy episode when it was aired in Germany about 6 month ago. But I
never heared about the "Ellen Morgan Coming Out Blues Song". Can anybody
tell me about it?

ines

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #169
Date: October 21, 1998 4:08 AM

etheridge-digest      Wednesday, October 21 1998      Volume 02 : Number 169

  *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney         [ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>]
  Re: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney   [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>]
  *etheridge* Rolling Stone:  Janis - The Movie  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@roc]

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:34:21 +0200
From: ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney

Yesterday I read that Dermont Mulroney played the cello on "Place Your
Hand". Does anybody know if this is the actor Dermont Mulroney (My Best
Friends Wedding, The Thing Called Love)?

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
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ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at> wrote:

> Yesterday I read that Dermont Mulroney played the cello on "Place 
> Your Hand". Does anybody know if this is the actor Dermont Mulroney 
> (My Best Friends Wedding, The Thing Called Love)?

yes, dermot (not dermont) mulroney plays cello on PYH and is the 
actor who plays julia roberts' character's best friend in My Best 
Friend's Wedding.  DM is also a member of the band The Low and 
Sweet Orchestra, although i understand he doesn't play with them 
much anymore due to scheduling conflicts.

one of DM's movies with a MLE connection is "Where the Day Takes 
You".  several of MLE's songs are played in the movie 
("Occasionally", PP, RS 4/16, YCSWID, and "Testify").

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Rolling Stone:  Janis - The Movie

in the latest issue of Rolling Stone (Issue 798, October 28, 1998,
the issue has master p, wyclef jean, and jay-z on the cover), 
there's a wee blurb about the joplin movie.

p. 22:

Janis:  The Movie

by Fred Schruers

"Piece of My Heart" - one of two competing Janis Joplin biopics 
in the works - took a small step forward recently when director 
Gary Fleder ("Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead," "Kiss the 
Girls") signed on to the project.  No exact start date has been 
announced, and although Melissa Etheridge has held talks about 
starring - and her companion, Julie Cypher, is one of four 
screenwriters on the film - it appears that Etheridge (busy 
completing an album and planning a tour) will not be available any 
time soon to play Joplin in the $35 million to $40 million film.  
Meanwhile, a lower-budget movie starring Lili Taylor, to be 
directed by Nancy Savoca and co-produced by Jonathan Demme's 
production company, is also on hold.  That picture, largely based 
on a collection of letters titled _Love, Janis_, has the blessing 
of the Joplin family, which granted access to master recordings of 
such key Joplin-penned songs as "Me and Bobby McGee," "Mercedes 
Benz," "Down on Me" and "Move Over" (which Taylor would lip-sync).  
Principals from the competing projects discussed combining their 
efforts, but negotiations have broken off.  Paramount, home to 
"Piece of My Heart," declined comment, as did producer Tom 
Rosenberg of Lakeshore Productions.  "I would really love to see 
a film that uses Janis' voice," says Joplin's sister, Laura Joplin, 
"because clearly the woman communicated . . .[and] should sing 
her own music.  It's not like it's dated."

well, while janis co-wrote "Mercedes Benz", i know that she didn't 
write "Me and Bobby McGee" (kris kristofferson did).  i'm not sure
about "Down on Me" and "Move Over" though.

OK, two interesting items of note:  1) this article doesn't state
that MLE is out of the picture, but that she just doesn't have
the time *right now*, and 2) the suits from the two projects 
discussed collaborating, but those talks have ended.  the plot
thickens...

*rhondda*

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #170
Date: October 22, 1998 2:02 AM

etheridge-digest      Thursday, October 22 1998      Volume 02 : Number 170

  Re: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney     [ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>]
  *etheridge* baby pool                             [Jane <ovation@gate.net>]
  *etheridge* Joplin movie                       [SHARON.A.ROUW@monsanto.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC -- my address change                  [CalifiaFan@aol.com]
  *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)  [Elizabeth White <eaw@wenet.n]
  Re: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney   [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>]
  Re: *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)           [MickMcC@aol.com]
  *etheridge* "Ellen Morgan Coming Out of the Closet Blues Song"  [Rhondda A]
  *etheridge* baby pool         ["Thamus Morgan" <TMorgan@infonet.tufts.edu>]
  Re: *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)  [Randy <randyogn@fast.net]
  *etheridge* IWTCO @ Kroger              [Anne Haines <ahaines@indiana.edu>]
  Re: *etheridge* Joplin movie                   ["Molly" <riversky@gte.net>]
  Re: *etheridge* IWTCO @ Kroger NMEC                       [MickMcC@aol.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard  ["Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.]

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:14:33 +0200
From: ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney

> yes, dermot (not dermont) mulroney plays cello on PYH and is the
> actor who plays julia roberts' character's best friend in My Best
> Friend's Wedding.

Thanks rhondda and bear from the M.E.I.N chat lol. This hint was not
necessary. Hope you're getting better.

> one of DM's movies with a MLE connection is "Where the Day Takes
> You".  several of MLE's songs are played in the movie
> ("Occasionally", PP, RS 4/16, YCSWID, and "Testify").

Never heard about this movie before. Who is starring in it?

ines

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:19:15 -0400
From: Jane <ovation@gate.net>
Subject: *etheridge* baby pool

I'd like to vote for November 18, which is my birthday.
JS

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Date: 21 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0500
From: SHARON.A.ROUW@monsanto.com
Subject: *etheridge* Joplin movie

     from rhondda's post:
     
     >Principals from the competing projects discussed combining their 
     efforts, but negotiations have broken off.  Paramount, home to "Piece 
     of My Heart," declined comment, as did producer Tom Rosenberg of 
     Lakeshore Productions.  "I would really love to see 
     a film that uses Janis' voice," says Joplin's sister, Laura Joplin, 
     "because clearly the woman communicated . . .[and] should sing 
     her own music.  It's not like it's dated."
     
     >OK, two interesting items of note:  1) this article doesn't state 
     that MLE is out of the picture, but that she just doesn't have the 
     time *right now*, and 2) the suits from the two projects discussed 
     collaborating, but those talks have ended.  the plot thickens...
     
     A few weeks ago I heard about a movie about Frank Sinatra and the Rat 
     Pack.  Ray Liotta was starring as Sinatra, but another person who is  
     known as a Sinatra sound-alike did the singing while Liotta 
     lip-synched.  I wondered whether the Joplin movies couldn't get 
     together and do the same thing:  Lili Taylor (I keep thinking of Lili 
     Thomlin--wouldn't *that* be a hoot!) could do the acting and MLE could 
     do the singing.  That would be less time for MLE, but she could still 
     put out a soundtrack for the movie, and the directors could have their 
     experienced actor.  This probably wouldn't fly with the Joplin family, 
     given the quote shown above.  Is Janis' music "dated?"  Apparently the 
     people doing the Sinatra film thought his music was dated.  I'm sure 
     their are many people who feel differently.  Personally, I'd like to 
     see the two projects join forces.  But they just didn't ask me! :)
     
     Sharon   
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:18:40 EDT
From: CalifiaFan@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC -- my address change

Hey there, just a quick note . . . I don't post a whole lot, but did want to
mention that my address has changed.  Once "califiafn2" it's now
CalifiaFan@aol.com

Be good to you,
Marnie

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:16:10 -0700
From: Elizabeth White <eaw@wenet.net>
Subject: *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)

Hi all.  In case you haven't already heard, here is the press
release.  Needless to say, I am deeply saddened, angered, and stunned
by the actions and heartlessness of those in power.  How they can be
proud of this just defies my understanding.


"The House document attacks the hate crimes bill as being a part of
"the President's big-government agenda," and calls the death of the
legislation "a win for conservative priorities.""

WIRED STRATEGIES
For Immediate Release
Oct 20, 1998 - 6:25PM EDT

Contact: John Aravosis, 202/328-5707, john@wiredstrategies.com

HOUSE REPUBLICANS BRAG THEY KILLED HATE CRIMES BILL
Contradict Sen. Lott's claim that bill would die because of no time

Washington, DC - In a document just obtained by Wired Strategies, the
House Republican Conference (an arm of the US House of Representatives

Republican leadership) is taking credit for having "stopped" the hate
crimes bill.  The House leadership document contradicts claims from
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott's staff that the Hate Crimes
Protection Act would not pass because Congress had run out of time.

Millions of Americans, and citizens of the world, reacted in shock,
sadness and anger at the recent torture and death of 21-year-old
college freshman Matthew Shepard.  Shepard was abducted,
pistol-whipped, strung up as though crucified, and then left to die
for 18 hours on a cold Wyoming road two weeks ago.

In a spontaneous show of anger and support, nearly 100 vigils have
taken place around the US and Canada to honor Shepard, highlight the
menace of hate crimes, and demand that Congress immediately pass hate
crimes legislation.  Concerned individuals across the US and from as
far as Zimbabwe, Australia, and Russia sent emails to the United
States Congress, the Wyoming Governor, and Web sites devoted to
Matthew Shepard's memory, expressing their concern about the Shepard
case, and the need to pass hate crimes legislation.  In addition,
Americans nationwide, and in countries as far as Hong Kong, telephoned

US members of Congress over the last several days to demand passage of

the bill.

The House document attacks the hate crimes bill as being a part of
"the President's big-government agenda," and calls the death of the
legislation "a win for conservative priorities."  Under a section
entitled "Reinventing Big-government -- Presidential Priorities the
Congress Stopped", the House leadership lists: "'Hate crime' proposals

that criminalize motive rather than punish violent crime."

In a phone call this past Friday, Senator Lott's staff told a
supporter that the legislation would die because it was simply too
late to bring it up this year - the staffer gave no indication of the
partisan strategy that now seems to be the reason for the bill's
death.  The decision to kill the legislation came on the heels of a
new Time/CNN poll released last Saturday finding that 75% of Americans

think the problem of violence against homosexuals is serious across
the country.

"The House leadership has dishonored the memory of Matthew Shepard for

partisan political gain," said John Aravosis, an Internet consultant
who has been maintaining a Web site about the Shepard case
<http://www.wiredstrategies.com/shepard.htm>.  "It's incredible that
House Republicans would brag about killing a bill that protects the
disabled, women and gay people from beating brutalized by hate," he
added.

"Hate is not a family value, but it seems to be a conservative one,"
continued Aravosis.  "This wasn't a partisan issue, it was about the
savage murder of a kid that shocked millions of Americans, both
Republicans and Democrats," Aravosis added, "Is that all Matt's death
meant to Gingrich - a chance to slam the President?  Is he that out of

touch?"

The House Republican Conference document can be found on the Internet
at:
<http://143.231.67.32/IssueFocus/TalkingPoints/TPMain/score.htm>.


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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Dermont Mulroney

ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at> asked:

> > one of DM's movies with a MLE connection is "Where the Day Takes
> > You".  several of MLE's songs are played in the movie
> > ("Occasionally", PP, RS 4/16, YCSWID, and "Testify").
> 
> Never heard about this movie before.  Who is starring in it?

dermot mulroney plays the leader of a group of teenage runaways.
he falls in love with laura flynn boyle's character, another 
runaway.  there are quite a few famous actors in the movie, and 
many of them play cameo roles, like will smith, ricki lake, 
nancy mckeon, etc.  the movie was directed by marc rocco, who was 
the original director attached to "Piece of My Heart" and was 
the executive producer of "Teresa's Tattoo" (JC's campy movie).  
at this point, rocco still has co-writing credit on "Piece of My 
Heart" along with JC and 2 other writers.

"Where the Day Takes You" is a good movie, but rather dark and
depressing.

*rhondda*

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:28:11 EDT
From: MickMcC@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)

I can't believe this has happened. What is America thinking??? I realize that
gays and lesbians are the new blacks of the nineties, but
seriously...Americans need to do some serious re-thinking about their values.
We claim equal rights for all. And yet we let an entire group of people, 10%
of the population, live in fear. I'm sure I'm not the only one afraid to walk
alone at night, or to show affection for my girlfriend in an area where others
might see (this includes holding hands, hugging, or even looking at her in a
way that people could construe as something other than a basic friendly
glance). What double standards. America sucks.
Mick
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* "Ellen Morgan Coming Out of the Closet Blues Song"

ines <h9650292@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at> wrote:

> I was so lucky to see MLE singing to Ellen during the opening of 
> the puppy episode when it was aired in Germany about 6 month ago. 
> But I never heared about the "Ellen Morgan Coming Out Blues Song". 
> Can anybody tell me about it?

originally, MLE was supposed to sing the "coming out blues song"
at the opening of "The Puppy Episode", but for some reason, the
people in charge decided that the song gave too much away about
what the episode was going to be about and pulled it at the last
minute.

when ellen appeared on the Oprah show on april 30, 1997, they 
showed a clip of the "coming out blues song".  i pulled out my tape
of the Oprah show last night and transcribed the song.  perhaps 
this is the one that they showed during the German broadcast?

ellen is sitting on a stool, and MLE is standing next to her with
her guitar.  a chair is sitting behind them with the usual "Ellen"
TV show sign propped up on it.

[MLE starts playing a blues riff.]

MLE:  "Ellen.  Your name is Ellen.  It's the Ellen blues song.  
It's the 'Ellen . . .Ellen Morgan Coming Out of the Closet Blues 
Song.'"

Ellen:  "I tell you, Melissa."

MLE:  "Uh huh."

Ellen:  "I thought about it."

MLE:  "Oh, I know."

Ellen:  "For far too long, I've been thinking I might be doing 
something like this, and I thought to myself, 'Nah uh.  I can't do 
that.'"

MLE:  "Oh, sure you can."

Ellen:  "I finally, I finally figured, 'What the hell?', I might as 
well do it.  I mean, look at you."

MLE:  "Yeeeaah, yeaaah."  [at this point, MLE speeds up the rhythm 
of her playing.  her singing is also more like that familiar MLE 
belting style.]

Ellen:  "It didn't hurt you."

MLE:  "It did not hurt me!"

Ellen:  "It didn't hurt k.d."

MLE:  "It did not hurt k.d.!"

Ellen:  "It didn't hurt Martina."

MLE:  "It did not hurt Martina!"

Ellen:  <pause>  "But that's all that's done it really."

[MLE finishes playing and playfully punches/smacks Ellen in the 
shoulder.]

during the song, you can hear the studio audience and MLE cracking 
up.

at one of the "Ellen" tapings earlier in the year, i saw what i 
assumed was the full version of the "coming out blues song".  they
often showed musical clips or bloopers to pass the time in between 
scenes.  i would have taken notes, but i was so intent on watching 
the monitor at the time, that there was no way i could do that!
:-)

*rhondda*

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:04:43 EDT
From: "Thamus Morgan" <TMorgan@infonet.tufts.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* baby pool

Hey everyone...

Maybe the administrator should summarize the baby pool we did a while ago....

(remind us of "our" dates in case we forgot11111)  ????????

The baby is almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chile.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:20:10 -0700
From: Randy <randyogn@fast.net>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Hate Crimes Act defeated (NMEC)

MickMcC@aol.com wrote:

> We claim equal rights for all. And yet we let an entire group of people, 10%
> of the population, live in fear. I'm sure I'm not the only one afraid to walk
> alone at night, or to show affection for my girlfriend in an area where others
> might see (this includes holding hands, hugging, or even looking at her in a
> way that people could construe as something other than a basic friendly
> glance). What double standards. America sucks.

	Well, Mick, I don't think America sucks, but I DO think it She has lost
her SOUL....And I will continue to hold Sue's hand wherever, whenever,
we get the chance. Even more so now....

- --
Randy

Silence killed Matthew Shepard
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:40:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Anne Haines <ahaines@indiana.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* IWTCO @ Kroger

I was just shopping at Kroger (a large supermarket chain, for those of you
who may or may not live in a cave but don't live in my particular cave) 
and caught a Muzak-ified version of IWTCO -- tinkly instead of jangly
guitar, wussy little flute-thing instead of the vocal, the works. (This
was shortly after a similar version of Sarah McLachlan's "Good Enough," so
I was already fearing for my sanity.)

So of course I started singing in my head...

"I wanna go Kroger,
 to hell with the shopping list--
 You told me buy chocolate,
 that's all I need--
 I wanna go Kroger,
 it's a need I can't explain
 to go shopping again,
 I wanna go Kroger... "

Sorry, I have a sick mind. Obviously an overworked individual. <g> 

(Kroger's commercial jingle is "Let's go Krogering," so don't blame me for
using "Kroger" as a verb. Really.)

>From the Land Of Too Much Studying And Never Enough Chocolate,

- -Anne
  
                  "truth is ammunition" - Pamela Means
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:45:00 -0400
From: "Molly" <riversky@gte.net>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Joplin movie

Hey ya'll!
   SO, o.k. I keep reading all this stuff about what the family thinks...
what Laura thinks and what her mother thinks, but what about her brother.
Why is he always so silent? I my memory serves me correctly, wasn't she
closer to him than she was to Laura?
                                                                 peace
                                                                       Molly

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:30:23 EDT
From: MickMcC@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* IWTCO @ Kroger NMEC

In a message dated 10/21/98, 9:41:01 PM, ahaines@indiana.edu writes:
<<
"I wanna go Kroger,
 to hell with the shopping list--
 You told me buy chocolate,
 that's all I need--
 I wanna go Kroger,
 it's a need I can't explain
 to go shopping again,
 I wanna go Kroger... ">>

Kroger! Kroger is the Queer Mart at my home town for some reason...all the gay
people shop there. It's so cute. Sorry, completely random info :-)
Mick
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:59:21 -0400
From: "Martha Brandwene" <marthab@monmouth.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC - Matthew Shepard

Hi listers,
     This is long so I apologize now for sending it.  In the wake of
Matthew's murder and the "non-action" defeat of the hate crimes bill, this
statement gives me hope and encouragement to keep fighting for a loving
future.  I hope it does the same for you.
         Martha

This is attributed to a Chaplain at Trinty College.
_______________________________________________
                           Chaplain's Reflection
        I saw on the news today that Matthew Shepard died. He was the
22 year old man from Wyoming who was beaten and tortured and left to
die for no reason other than he was a homosexual. This tragic murder
has raised a national debate again, the kind of periodic
soul-searching our society goes through whenever a crime of hate
startles us into awareness.  The burning of Black churches, the
bombing of innocent people, the death of a shy young man from Wyoming:
these events suddenly shake us out of complacency and remind us that
fear, prejudice and rage are always the shadows just beyond the light
of our reason. And so people suddenly start to speak out. There are
voices of outrage and grief. Voices of sorrow and demands to know why
such a thing could happen. And predictibly, there are also defensive
voices: the governor of Wyoming trying to explain why his state has no
laws to protect people from hate crimes and the leadership of what is
called the Christian "right wing" trying to explain why their national
ads against  homosexuality don't influence people to commit such
violence against gays and lesbians.   In the days to come, these many
voices will fill our media and the cultural consciousness it imprints
until we are once again lulled into the more familiar patterns of our
lives,  dozing off as a nation until the next tragedy rings the alarm
of despair.
        As the chaplain for our own community, I would like to invite
us all to consider Matthew's death in another way. Not through the
clamour or denials, not through the shouts or cries of anger: but
rather, through the silence of his death, the silence of that young
man hanging on his cross of pain alone in the emptiness of a Wyoming
night, the silence that ultimately killed him as surely as the
beatings he endured.
        Silence killed Matthew Shepard. The silence of Christians who
know that our scriptures on homosexuality are few and murky in
interpretation and far outweighed by the words of a savior whose only
comment on human relationships was to call us to never judge but only
to love. The silence of well meaning educated people who pretend to
have an enlightened view of homosexuality while quietly tolerating the
abuse of gays and lesbians in their own communities. The silence of
our elected officials who have the authority to make changes but
prefer to count votes. The silence of the majority of "straight"
Americans who shift uncomfortably when confronted by the thought that
gays and lesbians may be no different from themselves, save for the
fact that they are walking targets for bigotry, disrespect, cheap
humor, and apparently, of murder.
        Crimes of hate may live in shouts of rage, but they are born
in silence. Here at Trinity, I hope we will all listen to that
silence. Before we jump to decry Matthew's senseless death or before
we seek to rationalize it with loud disclaimers: I hope we will just
hear the silence. A young man's heart has ceased to beat. Hear the
silence of that awful truth. It is the silence of death. It is the
silence that descends on us like a shroud.  At Trinity, as in Wyoming,
we are men and women surrounded by the silence of our own fear. Our
fear of those who are different. Our fear of being identified with the
scapegoat. Our fear of taking an unpopular position for the sake of
those who can not stand alone. Our fear of social and religious
change. Our fear comes in many forms but it always comes silently. A
whispered joke. A glance to look away from the truth. A quick shake of
the head to deny any complicity in the pain of others. These silent
acts of our own fear of homosexuality are acted out on this campus
every day just as they are acted out every day in Wyoming. Through
silence, we give ourselves permission to practice what we pretend to
abhor. With silence, we condemn scores of our neighbors to live in the
shadows of hate. In silence, we observe the suffering of any group of
people who have been declared expendable by our society.
        As a person of faith, I will listen, as we all will, to the
many voices which will eulogize Matthew Shepard. I will carry that
part of our national shame on my shoulders. But I will also listen to
the silence which speaks much more eloquently still to the truth
behind his death. I will listen and I will remember. And I will renew
my resolve never to allow this silence to have the last word. Not for
Matthew. Not for gay men or lesbian women. Not for any person in our
society of any color or condition who has been singled out for
persecution. Not in my church. Not in my nation. Not in Wyoming. And
not at Trinity College.

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #171
Date: October 24, 1998 1:58 AM

etheridge-digest      Saturday, October 24 1998      Volume 02 : Number 171

  *etheridge* Curious                     [Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>]
  *etheridge* Pop Culture Personalities Voice Opinions on the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr  [Indigo]
  Re: *etheridge* Curious                                [CalifiaFan@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Curious                                 [TahmeHawk@aol.com]
  *etheridge* biography author  ["Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.]
  Re: *etheridge* biography author                          [JLUCKY7@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Curious                                   [JLUCKY7@aol.com]
  (NMLEC) Re: *etheridge* biography author  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketma]
  *etheridge* RE:  biography author  ["Jenniffer Smith" <jsmith3@gw.bsu.edu>]
  Re: *etheridge* Joplin movie       [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>]
  *etheridge* [NMEC] little gatherings  [Jud <JMF62@student.canterbury.ac.nz]
  Re: *etheridge* Curious                                 [TahmeHawk@aol.com]
  *etheridge* did MLE cheat on JC?   [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>]
  *etheridge* My old question!            [Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>]
  *etheridge* Halloween                   [Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>]
  Re: *etheridge* My old question!                          [JLUCKY7@aol.com]
  *etheridge* NMEC- Dutchess County, NY listers  [Patricia Lyon <plyon@phoen]
  Re: *etheridge* Curious                                   [AveDyke@aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07:42 -0400
From: Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* Curious

I know that this question has nothing to do with any of the topics that
you guys all talk about but here it is anyways....Do you guys think that
Melissa has ever cheated on Julie?

I don't want anyone to take this question personally, I was just curious
on what you all thought.

Monicca!
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:27:06 EDT
From: IndigoKat@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Pop Culture Personalities Voice Opinions on the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr

    Pop Culture Personalities Voice Opinions on the

    Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr Drama

    Rolling Stone magazine, the definitive source of music and information and
popular culture trends, has come out in support of President Clinton in a
special issue due on newsstands next week. "Vote down this inquisition," urges
Rolling Stone founding editor Jann S. Wenner in an editorial that calls for
Congress to get back to the business of government and address the needs of
our country and the world. The November 12th issue of Rolling Stone hits
newsstands on Tuesday, October 27, 1998.

    "...the bottom line is your vote," Rolling Stone's Wenner proclaims,
adding, "We say that we are fed up with this inquisition into the sexual lives
of our leaders, and to hell with the torturers."

    In the magazine's special issue, "we have raised our own voice as loudly
as we can," writes Wenner. Rolling Stone's special "Clinton Conversation"
provides a forum for many notable figures from our pop culture to express
their opinions on President Clinton, Kenneth Starr, Monica Lewinsky and
impeachment. Proclaims Stevie Wonder, "Ten years ago, people were screaming
about the explicit lyrics in rap music. Today...those same people have no
problem putting explicit information on the Internet...for any child to see.
There's something wrong with that picture. I'm glad I'm blind and can't see
it." Sean Lennon states, "I think he should have resigned a while ago. That
would have been the honorable thing to do." And U2's Bono urges, "Stop it --
America is better than this." 

A number of influential musicians, poets, actors, writers and filmmakers speak
out in Rolling Stone and offer their own unique insights into the Clinton-
Lewinsky-Starr drama, among them:

    Melissa Etheridge -- "I think it's about time America realizes that we're
all human. And that white, middle-aged men are not more perfect than anybody
else."

    David Byrne -- "I think he's a lousy president, I think he's scum, I think
bombing those countries is a criminal act. But I don't think this affected his
ability to do his job."

    Tom Morello, Rage Against the Machine -- "The scandal is a great
opportunity to block campaign-finance reform, avoid raising the minimum wage,
ignore the farm crisis and allow the banking industry to throw of regulations
that have been in place since the Depression. Sex is a wonderful thing."

    Joan Osborne -- If you are married to Hillary Clinton, why the hell would
you want to mess around with Monica Lewinsky, anyway? Why go out for a
cheeseburger when you can have filet mignon at home?"

    Robert Redford -- "I made the Watergate film All the President's Men as a
monument to a form of journalism in which the old-fashioned rules applied: You
need two sources before you print anything. This type of journalism no longer
exists."

    Ice Cube -- "This is the longest blow job in the history of America."

    Marilyn Manson -- "I think he's done a good job for the country, and I
think there's no reason why he shouldn't be getting laid just like a rock star
would....I don't think he deserves to be impeached; but if he does get
impeached, he always has a job with me. He can be my tour manager...."
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:03:49 EDT
From: CalifiaFan@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Curious

In a message dated 10/22/98 8:13:33 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
mezabarronm@grayson.edu writes:

<< Do you guys think that
 Melissa has ever cheated on Julie? >>

No.

Marnie
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:03:11 EDT
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Curious

In a message dated 98-10-22 11:12:38 EDT, mezabarronm@grayson.edu writes:

<< Do you guys think that
 Melissa has ever cheated on Julie? >>

Melissa has stated on more than one occasion that Julie is the only g/f she
has never cheated on.  

Lynn   :-)    <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TahmeHawk/Home.html">TahmeHawk's
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:23:00 -0600
From: "Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* biography author

 does Joyce Luck, author of that melissa bio belong/post to this list? Just
curious.
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:01:55 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* biography author

In a message dated 98-10-22 13:23:34 EDT, Sarah asks:

> does Joyce Luck, author of that melissa bio belong/post to this list? Just
>  curious.

Yes but only when I'm Rhondda-bashing.  ;-)

There are other listers here, too, who make "cameo" appearances in that book,
such as John (Juan de Moaner) Miller and Tim Dunker.  And Glenna and David,
the list owners, designed the book's cover and arranged the color photo
section.

Joyce
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:07:28 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Curious

In a message dated 98-10-22 13:07:37 EDT, you write:

> Melissa has stated on more than one occasion that Julie is the only g/f she
>  has never cheated on.  

Yes, and I would guess this is the truth, unless their public devotion to each
other is all just an act and a scam to promote an image......as last year's
Melissa impostor on AOL tried to get a bunch of people to believe.  So if
anyone ever hears any rumors that Melissa had an affair last year with some
"big-shot lesbian" from Silicon Valley, it's a lie.  

Joyce
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: (NMLEC) Re: *etheridge* biography author

JLUCKY7@aol.com wrote:

> > does Joyce Luck, author of that melissa bio belong/post to this 
>> list? Just curious.
> 
> Yes but only when I'm Rhondda-bashing.  ;-)

beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks all over town!  ;-)

*rhondda*
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:06:23 -0500
From: "Jenniffer Smith" <jsmith3@gw.bsu.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* RE:  biography author

>>> "Sarah T. Rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu> 10/22 1:23 PM >>> =
asks:

>does Joyce Luck, author of that melissa bio belong/post to this
>list? Just curious.

It has been rumored that Ms. Luck once belonged to this list and,
yes, even posted upon occasion.  Unfortunately, Joyce was
stricken (several years ago) with an affliction which caused her to
pass out every time she imagined tool belt-wearing listers in=20
moderatrix gear.  Upon diagnosis of this all-too-common, yet=20
ignored, condition, Luck fled to lands unknown and joined a cult
calling itself "B.A.B"  (they are located in the SF-Bay area and
those of you unsuspecting listers who are located in that area are hereby =
advised to protect yourselves at all costs).  We can only
assume that she has since come down with the John Juan
Demoaner virus, which enables her to only post once every two
or three months when her busy schedule allows for such frivolity.

So, in answer to your question, only the Shadow knows (or Deep
Throat...whomever may first cross your path).

jen--who is not, as many of you may suspect, under the influence
of cheap recreational drugs.  :)

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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:59:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Joplin movie

SHARON.A.ROUW@monsanto.com wrote:

> A few weeks ago I heard about a movie about Frank Sinatra and 
> the Rat Pack.  Ray Liotta was starring as Sinatra, but another 
> person who is known as a Sinatra sound-alike did the singing 
> while Liotta lip-synched.  I wondered whether the Joplin movies 
> couldn't get together and do the same thing:  Lili Taylor (I keep 
> thinking of Lili Thomlin--wouldn't *that* be a hoot!) could do the 
> acting and MLE could do the singing.  That would be less time for 
> MLE, but she could still put out a soundtrack for the movie, and 
> the directors could have their experienced actor.  This probably 
> wouldn't fly with the Joplin family, given the quote shown above.  
> Is Janis' music "dated?"  Apparently the people doing the Sinatra 
> film thought his music was dated.  I'm sure their are many people 
> who feel differently.  

what i recall from the news reports i read about the HBO movie,
"The Rat Pack," is that the sinatra family didn't want the movie 
to be made at all so they wouldn't allow his voice to be used.  
i don't believe that the producers thought his voice was dated - 
the movie was made before sinatra's death - but since the family
wouldn't go for that, they had to resort to the next best thing, 
i.e. have an impersonator do the singing.

did y'all hear the reports that tina sinatra sent ray liotta a 
plastic or fiberglass horse's head, a la "The Godfather", to the 
set as a gag gift?  i think i remember reading in army archerd's 
Variety column that the horse's head was passed around to many 
hollywood big wigs (studio execs, directors, etc.) who autographed 
it before passing it on to the next "victim."  <g>

to contrast "The Rat Pack" scenario with the "Piece of My Heart" 
one, janis' family apparently *wants* a movie to be made about her
life, but only if it's *their* version of the movie using janis' 
voice.  i can certainly understand a family wanting to protect 
their deceased loved one's name and honor, but if the movie turns 
out to be a white-washed version of janis' life, i think it does a 
disservice to her memory in the long run.  

*rhondda*

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:28:21 +0000
From: Jud <JMF62@student.canterbury.ac.nz>
Subject: *etheridge* [NMEC] little gatherings

Hi all....

Just writing the subject line I wondered if I should put [NMLC] - No 
Monica Lewinsky Content. You guys seem to be inundated with the whole 
saga and even in distant NZ we are too...as if we don't have enough 
political scandal of our own to joke about and laugh at...

I've got the feeling that thee whole thing has taken on grander 
proportions cos American TV is so bad <laughing> You've got to get 
your amusement from somewhere and this scandal sure has provided lots 
of that...nah, it's because we really crave entertainment and Melissa 
hasn't given us a new cd to thrash in a while that's what it 
is...just trying to fill the void in the meantime.

Doh! And just when I wasn't going to say much about it... <my evil 
keyboard called Chucky just took over>

I just wanted to wish all the wee listers lots of fun and frivolity in 
Canada...I wish I was coming over sooner but I've got student stuff 
here to finish...oh, and work ; p   I will be over there in about 47 
days though to catch up with a fair few of you...seems too long away 
at the moment to get really excited but I think that's cos I've got 
heaps of work to finish first...

Least I'll here all the weekend's fun via Liz when she gets back...it 
would've been so good to finally meet you Ray and Joyce but hey, 
maybe next year...

Big Gudday!! To the wee Renster, SueD and Randy...will definitely 
catch up with you guys when I'm over...hope all is well...

spot ya!!

Jud <waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down in Canterbury>
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:10:18 EDT
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Curious

In a message dated 98-10-22 14:14:47 EDT, JLUCKY7@aol.com writes:

<< as last year's
 Melissa impostor on AOL tried to get a bunch of people to believe.  So if
 anyone ever hears any rumors that Melissa had an affair last year with some
 "big-shot lesbian" from Silicon Valley, it's a lie.   >>

I remember that.   It's amazing what some people will do for attention.   But
we MLE fans know our lady better than that.

Lynn   :-)    <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TahmeHawk/Home.html">TahmeHawk's
Place</A> 
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* did MLE cheat on JC?

TahmeHawk@aol.com wrote re whether MLE ever cheated on JC with a 
"big-shot lesbian" from Silicon Valley (in response to joyce's
post):

> I remember that.   It's amazing what some people will do for 
> attention.   But we MLE fans know our lady better than that.

actually, i don't know her at all.  i'm certainly *not* privy to 
any private, salacious information about her relationship with 
JC nor do i expect or want to be.  i would imagine that the 
vast majority of the people on this list don't have access to 
this information either with *very* few exceptions.  this is 
*not* to imply that i believe that MLE is cheating on JC or has 
cheated on her in the past - *nothing* could be further from the 
truth.  it's just that my status as a fan doesn't mean that i 
*know* any particulars about MLE's and JC's relationship.

i believe MLE when she said that JC is the only GF whom she 
hasn't cheated on, but do i have any independent knowledge of 
this?  nope.  my knowledge is based on trusting that MLE's 
been truthful in relaying this tidbit about their relationship,
which i believe she has.  if anybody posted on this list claiming
that they'd had an affair with MLE while she was with JC, i
certainly wouldn't believe it.

however, to assume that anyone knows absolutely what goes on in 
MLE's personal life, merely because we're fans, i think that's 
stretching it too far, IMO.

*rhondda*

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:01:09 -0400
From: Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* My old question!

Hello all!!

Just checked my email and I for the first time heard about this Melissa
inposter on AOL....What's that about?... The reason I asked such a
question was because It just happened to pop into my head and wanted to
know what the rest of you thought about it.  I don't think that Melissa
would cheat on Julie it seems like they have a good thing going.
Our Melissa is smart, I don't tink she would do anything to mess that
up, plus she's a mommy now.  What is it with the aol imposter?, this was
the first I heard of that.

Take care,
Monicca:-)

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:28:41 -0400
From: Monicca <mezabarronm@grayson.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* Halloween

Hey all:

Another one of my totally out of the subject questions. With halloween
coming and all I ask this question.  Somewhere I heard of a program
called me on a pumpking it's suppodedly some sort of software for
carving pumpkings...Something about scanning your own picture and it
does a pattern for you and you use the pattern to carve a pumpking,
supposedly when you are finished carving the pumpking has your picture
carved on it.  Curious if anyone has ever heard of this..Can you imagen
I'd have pumpkins of Melissa all over the place. 

I know this is totally off any subject but has anyone else heard of
this?..Any idea where it can be purchased?

Take care,
Monicca!
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:21:01 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* My old question!

In a message dated 98-10-23 09:28:37 EDT, mezabarronm@grayson.edu asks:

> What is it with the aol imposter?, this was
>  the first I heard of that.

Oh, it was just somebody online last year pretending to be Melissa under
several different screen names (some were TIME605, Fretrattle, CARocker,
NMRocker, SntaFeNM, and Melisssaa).  Once she had people convinced she was the
real Melissa, then she would also appear online under her real screen name at
the same time the supposed Melissa was online (apparently she had two AOL
accounts either on the same computer or used her laptop along with her
computer). She would be chatting with someone online, for example, and say,
"Wait.  Let me call Melissa and get her to sign on and chat with us."  And
sure enough, a few minutes later, the fake Melissa would sign on.  This woman
ended up creating this elaborate hoax that she and Melissa were having an
affair.  It was really rather awful, and sad.  And she was able to pull it
off, quite believably, for a while because she happened to have some business
connections to some people close to Melissa, and so she'd use "inside
information" in order to be persuasive and put on a believable act.

That's the short version of a long story.  Suffice it to say she disappeared
once the truth got out.    :-)

By the way, Rhondda, thanks for posting that url to the HRC photo of Melissa
and Julie.  I downloaded the picture (it took about 5 mins) but it was worth
the wait!  Julie is one happy looking pregnant lady!  LOL

Joyce

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:35:23 -0400
From: Patricia Lyon <plyon@phoenix.liu.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC- Dutchess County, NY listers

>I apologize if this is a duplicate...there was apparently a problem with
my mail earlier
>
>>>I am trying to locate an old friend whose last address I had (about 2
1/2 years ago) was in Beacon, NY - I'm wondering if any Dutchess County
listers would like to contact me to see if they could help.  Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:44:16 EDT
From: AveDyke@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Curious

Not to sound like a grumpy old hag or anything, but who's business is it
besides theirs?

Dawn
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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #172
Date: October 25, 1998 2:57 AM

etheridge-digest       Sunday, October 25 1998       Volume 02 : Number 172

  *etheridge* my turn to vouch now           [Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com>]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  Re: biography author    [Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>]
  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts              [Romeo-Fox@webtv.net (Wendy)]
  *etheridge* John's Evil Cookies                           [JLUCKY7@aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com>
Subject: *etheridge* my turn to vouch now

hi mlesters,
hey its my turn to vouch for joyce.
yes she is the real joyce luck
oh cool i did it.
my share of cheap thrills.he he he!
i dont think melissa ever cheated on julie,and i hope its true.u
guys,SAT scores are available by phone,but u have to pAy 10 dollars so
ill just wait tille the 31st to find out what i got.im reallyyyy
scared.pray for me friends.i had my toefl today though.it went ok.it
was easy.but ill definitely fail my SAT though.love u guyz.yasir shah. p
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:41:28
From: Patti Fink <patti@imncorp.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  Re: biography author

Jenniffer Smith <jsmith3@gw.bsu.edu>, infamous tool belt-wearing lister in
moderatrix gear, confessed:

>jen--who is not, as many of you may suspect, under the influence
>of cheap recreational drugs.  :)

It's great to see that you've upgraded to the *good* stuff these days, Jen  ;)

....and of Joyce's affliction/condition:

> We can only assume that she has since come down with the John Juan
>Demoaner virus, which enables her to only post once every two
>or three months when her busy schedule allows for such frivolity.

Yes, this virus can be brutal....but I think it's pretty clear that Joyce's
case has not yet peaked symptomatically, but we'll know she's fully
entrenched in its grip when her rare posts come only in the middle of the
night. <g>

<resigned to wait a few months for an answer>  So, Joyce...how are you with
butter and sugar? ;)


Yasir Shah <p_yasir@yahoo.com> wrote:

>SAT scores are available by phone,but u have to pAy 10 dollars so
>ill just wait tille the 31st to find out what i got.im reallyyyy
>scared.pray for me friends.i had my toefl today though.it went ok.it
>was easy.but ill definitely fail my SAT though.love u guyz.yasir shah. p

Hey there, Yasir....a lot of my coworkers watched yesterday as their sons
and daughters who just took the SAT struggled with the option to pay $10 to
call and find out their scores early....and they're *all* just like
you...scared!!  In fact, only one of eight dared to pick up the phone and
call -- not because of the $10, but because of the fear!  You are *not*
alone! :)

Don't universities weigh the TOEFL against the SAT when considering you for
admission?  They did back when I was in high school (I'm a US citizen but
grew up outside the US, including my high school years).  For a *lot* of my
classmates at the time who were applying to American universities, English
was not their first language and so they had to take the TOEFL as
well....and they all got accepted.  Besides, there were *native*
English-speakers in my class who were very bright with great academic
records who got only modest scores on the SAT....and it had far more to do
with the skills of taking *standardized tests* than with their actual
verbal and math skills, I assure you!  Chin up, Yasir!

Patti, pondering the joy of evil evil cookies (tm)  :)

"American is a very difficult language mixed with English." -- Anonymous

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:21:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Romeo-Fox@webtv.net (Wendy)
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts

Hey, what ever happened to those bowling shirts??? We need an update
please.

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:49:34 EDT
From: JLUCKY7@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* John's Evil Cookies

In a message dated 98-10-24 11:39:32 EDT, Patti asked:

> <resigned to wait a few months for an answer>  So, Joyce...how are you with
>  butter and sugar? ;)

John won't give me his evil, evil cookie recipe!  <pout>

But those things survive multiple snail mailings very well.  A few years ago,
John made some for Elise Kantor (y'all remember Elise?), who then sent me a
baggie of several of them.  They were still good when they reached me about a
week later.

So these evil, evil cookies are not only tasty, they are virtually
indestructible.  ROFL

Joyce

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #173
Date: October 26, 1998 2:57 AM

etheridge-digest       Monday, October 26 1998       Volume 02 : Number 173

  Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts                   [Dulcerosa7@aol.com]
  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #172                 [EliseK88@aol.com]
  Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts                   [AFRBUFFY18@aol.com]
  *etheridge* we're baaaaack                  [Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>]

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:02:02 EST
From: Dulcerosa7@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts

Hey all, I am still pretty new to the list. I was wondering what shirts you
are talking about, and I was wondering if I could get in on it, or is it too
late???

Thanks,
Heather
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:24:13 EST
From: EliseK88@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #172

Elise Kantor?  Yes, I do have a vague memory of her....    that was about 10
years ago, wasn't it, Joyce?  Certainly pre-twins...

Btw, speaking of John's evil cookies....   I do apologize for the delay in
getting them to you, J.  You should've tasted them when *I* first get them.
Yummy!

Hmmm....  come to think of it...  it IS coming up on Christmas, isn't it?
Dare I ask?  John...?   My cookie supply this year is looking very pitiful....

I'm afraid I haven't kept up with the list at all.  When the devil are we
getting a new album already?  My withdrawal is so acute, I can hardly take it
anymore.

Hope you're all enjoying your extra hour today, 
Elise
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:30:32 EST
From: AFRBUFFY18@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-shirts

i am also kinda new and was wondering about the shirts please let me know 


Heather
Afrbuffy18@aol.com
http://www.gurlpages.com/me/h_reese/index.html
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:42:12 +0000
From: Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>
Subject: *etheridge* we're baaaaack

hi all
we are back from our vacation.....
Had a great time..
I have updated my webpage...take a look and lmk what you think...
am looking forward to meeting the hard rock traders in Houston
Dont forget to sign my guestbook when you visit my page...
thanks
a and m

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To: etheridge-digest@esosoft.com <etheridge-digest@esosoft.com>
Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #174
Date: October 27, 1998 2:59 AM

etheridge-digest       Tuesday, October 27 1998       Volume 02 : Number 174

  *etheridge* Happiness                        [VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)]
  Re: *etheridge* we're baaaaack              [Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>]

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Date: 26 Oct 98 11:48:21 CDT
From: VWOLFE@rvc.ac.uk (ARMADILLO)
Subject: *etheridge* Happiness

There I was having a really bad Friday. Not only was it a long 
tedious friday but there were all the usual worries about what to 
feed the hoardes of weekend visitors (Ok, my housemates cousin and 
sister!) and then we got home to find the cat had fell off the 
sideboard taking the fish tank with her. So, I paddled across the 
carpet, laid Del and Rodney the fish to rest in the bin and began to 
clear up. Unfortunatley the vacuum wasn't coping too well with 
sucking grit off a soggy carpet and started to fizzle and foam. So I 
pulled the plug to escape electrocution and left it to it's own 
devices in the cupboard. Then I turned the TV on......and to my 
amazment Melissa was on Pop up video!!!! To those of you in the 
States this won't be so exciting, but if you're in UK then you'll 
understand that this NEVER happens! So I sat and I sang loudly and 
smiled for the rest of the night:-)

Just thought I'd spread my happiness!

Love and hugs
Vick

Before you criticise a man, walk a mile in his shoes. then you'll be a mile away, and you'll have his shoes.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:03:37 -0600
From: Angela Mula <rnbwflg@idt.net>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* we're baaaaack

My address is usually at the top of my emails but here it is

 http://members.tripod.com/~RNBWFLG/index.html

thanks to to all

Dulcerosa7@aol.com wrote:

> hey a & m, I just read your post. What I would like to know is what is your
> web page address??
>
> thanks,
> Heather

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #175
Date: October 28, 1998 2:58 AM

etheridge-digest      Wednesday, October 28 1998      Volume 02 : Number 175

  *etheridge* Shirts                                     [SilntLgacy@aol.com]
  *etheridge* a wedding - non-MEC            [Liz Burns <eburns@scci-ad.com>]
  *etheridge* from GLAAD newsletter        [ann strother <ktyldy@cswnet.com>]
  *etheridge* NMEC--Just something funny :)  ["Brian and Mary Dillon" <dillo]
  Re: *etheridge* a wedding - non-MEC            [Randy <randy9@bigfoot.com>]
  Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164  [Michelle Trumps <matrumps@d]
  Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164            [TahmeHawk@aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:58:05 EST
From: SilntLgacy@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Shirts

Well, guys, I am eating Tagemet like candy over these shirts! They FINALLY
came in, in the right color ( they had previously sent a horrible lavender and
not the purple I ordered!) and I took them to the screenprinter last Friday.
With any luck, he wont mess them up and Ill have them in the mail to you by
next week. I apoligise for all this hassle, but believe me I am on top of it,
and everyone of the vendors knows my name I have been calling so much!  I will
let everyone know as soon as I get them back and in the mail.]
Thanks for you patience!
Betsy
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:48:28 -0600
From: Liz Burns <eburns@scci-ad.com>
Subject: *etheridge* a wedding - non-MEC

Hi folks!

I wanted to take this opportunity to again recognize how great this
list really is.  And especially the people on it - or least the ones
i've had the pleasure of meeting.

I also want to send a big CONGRATULATIONS!! to Ray Shanks and Joyce
Stoliar who got married in Vancouver this past weekend.  Some of you
may remember Joyce as the Shirtgal. 

It was so special to be present for the wedding (which was very small
and consisted of only 5 people not counting the bride and groom). 
And it was a last minute decision to do it, which made it even
more fun.  And a bit stressful for joyce, right hon?! :)  But she
looked AWESOME in her dress and ray looked GREAT in his kilt!!

Anyway, i wanted to say thanks to Dave and Glenna for putting this
list together and thanks to Melissa for the list existing in the
first place.  That's what really made it all possible!!

Congratulations and Best Wishes to the new Mr. and Mrs. SHANKS!!!!


lizzard
(the one who got to sleep with the bride for 2 nights before the
wedding and the groom for 1!!)


ps
thanks for the weekend bec, and it was great to meet darcie.  she's
not quite as awesome as you are, but she's definitely crazy enough
to fit in with the gang!!!
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:53:04 -0600
From: ann strother <ktyldy@cswnet.com>
Subject: *etheridge* from GLAAD newsletter

HOT OFF THE GLAAD PLATE!: On Tuesday, October 27, GLAAD will launch a
new
online entertainment news service, GLAAD's Hollywood Hotsheet.  The new
project will bring GLAAD Online visitors the latest news from film,
television, music and theatre that concerns or involves the lesbian,
gay,
bisexual and transgender community. The Hotsheet will offer a "heads up"
on
upcoming gay-themed television shows and provide information on upcoming

record releases by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender artists.
Casting
news, film development information and celebrity interviews will also be

included. The very first installment of GLAAD's Hollywood Hotsheet can
be
seen tomorrow at GLAAD Online at http://www.glaad.org.  For more
information, contact William Horn (GLAAD Assistant Entertainment Media
Director) at (213) 658-6775, ext.17 or via e-mail at horn@glaad.org.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:51:47 -0500
From: "Brian and Mary Dillon" <dillon@ptcs.net>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC--Just something funny :)

Hi all,
    Sorry to bother you all with the non ME content but this came to me from
another list and I thought you all might like it! :) (And if you don't
Sorry!!!)

Mary
<< Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take
> to change a light bulb?
>
> A: 1,331:
>
>
> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list
> that the light bulb has been changed
>
> 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
> how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
>
> 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
>
> 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
> changing light bulbs.
>
> 53 to flame the spell checkers
>
> 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
> the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
> mail list.
>
> 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
>
> 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
> please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
>
> 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
> alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs
> be stopped.
>
> 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are
> all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are**
> relevant to this mail list.
>
> 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
> superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
> light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
> are faulty.
>
> 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
> light bulbs
>
> 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
> post corrected URLs.
>
> 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are
> relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
> this list.
>
> 33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and
> footers, and then add "Me Too."
>
> 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
> they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
>
> 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
>
> 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
>
> 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
>
> 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
> meant for, leave it here.
>
> 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
>
>
> --http://www.egnet.co.uk/light.html

http://members.xoom.com/smtgprecious  Our Little Secret
http://www.geocities.com/enchantedforest/glade/9997   Allen's Cartoon Page
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/stadium/7221  Brian's Sports Page

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:57:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Randy <randy9@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* a wedding - non-MEC

>Liz Burns wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to take this opportunity to again recognize how great this
>> list really is.  And especially the people on it - or least the ones
>> i've had the pleasure of meeting.
>>
>SueD & Randy here to agree wholeheartedly with Lizzard's acclamations. 
>Of course we have been lucky enough to meet many MEListers, including
>the aforementioned Lizzard.  Each and every one a treat to meet!
> 
>> I also want to send a big CONGRATULATIONS!! to Ray Shanks and Joyce
>> Stoliar who got married in Vancouver this past weekend.  Some of you
>> may remember Joyce as the Shirtgal.
>>
>A-Hem, Joyce is the original Shirt gal who personally presented a shirt
>to Melissa at the infamous concert in Banff/Lake Louise in Feb (I think)
>1996.  Check out the archives kids cuz the story still makes my heart
>beat faster.  CONGRATS in a very, very big way to two of the sweetest
>people in the world.  Here's a shot of Lime Lizzard to the newlyweds Mr.
>& Mrs. Shanks, many happy years to come.
> 
>> And a bit stressful for joyce, right hon?! :)  But she
>> looked AWESOME in her dress and ray looked GREAT in his kilt!!
>>
>I only have two questions:  Was Joyce part of a dyke sandwich this
>weekend and hey, Ray, anything on under that kilt?  :o)  Hope you had a
>wonderful ceremony and a lovely Lizzard toast afterwards replete with
>dunking Lizzard in the nearest body of water. It is an old tradition
>that is supposed to bring luck to the newlyweds! :oP~~~~~~~~
> 
>> Anyway, i wanted to say thanks to Dave and Glenna for putting this
>> list together and thanks to Melissa for the list existing in the
>> first place.  That's what really made it all possible!!
>>
>
>Hear, hear!  A great huzzah for the list mistress and hubbie
>extraordinaire.  And also the good works of the tool belt & leather clad
>list moderatrix as well.  Hooray for Jen!
> 
>> (the one who got to sleep with the bride for 2 nights before the
>> wedding and the groom for 1!!)
>>
>Joyce, does that count for your bedpost notching? 
>
>> thanks for the weekend bec, and it was great to meet darcie.  she's
>> not quite as awesome as you are, but she's definitely crazy enough
>> to fit in with the gang!!!
>
>Oh, oh sounds as if there is more mischief brewing north of the border. 
>Hey Bec, next time you are on dry land send a note down this way.  Miss
>ya!
>--
>Randy & me too this time!

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 02:34:30 -0500
From: Michelle Trumps <matrumps@dhc.net>
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164

Laura, You have my vote for this idea.... I think that psychologically it 
is an incredible (and true) message....

>A friend told me that he'd heard the suggestion that the term 
>"Ignorance Crimes" be used in place of "Hate Crimes" as those that are
>proud of thier hate may not be as proud to be termed ignorant.  I
>thought it was a clever idea. 

Michelle
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:51:53 EST
From: TahmeHawk@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #164

In a message dated 98-10-28 02:34:35 EST, matrumps@dhc.net writes:

<< You have my vote for this idea.... I think that psychologically it 
 is an incredible (and true) message....
 
 >A friend told me that he'd heard the suggestion that the term 
 >"Ignorance Crimes" be used in place of "Hate Crimes" as those that are
 >proud of thier hate may not be as proud to be termed ignorant.  I
 >thought it was a clever idea.  >>

I have to agree, but I have one question....you think they would be smart
enough to know what the word ignorant means?   lol

Lynn   :-)    <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TahmeHawk/Home.html">TahmeHawk's
Place</A>   
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Date: October 29, 1998 2:58 AM

etheridge-digest      Thursday, October 29 1998      Volume 02 : Number 176

  *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #175               [SHARingME2@aol.com]
  *etheridge* 10/27/98 MEIN update:  missy and al  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@r]
  *etheridge* oops - small correction...re anniversary date  [Rhondda Ashby ]
  *etheridge* "The Real Ellen Story" at Seattle's Lesbian and Gay Film Festival  [Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmai]
  *etheridge* Wondering if anybody knows what is up with the list shirts?  []
  *etheridge* Gay-Bashing Incident (NMEC)  ["James Mapp" <jmapp@hotmail.com>]
  *etheridge* re:  Ignorance crimes      [Michelle Trumps <matrumps@dhc.net>]

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:23:01 EST
From: SHARingME2@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* Re: etheridge-digest V2 #175

<< I am eating Tagemet like candy over these shirts! They FINALLY came in, in
the right color >>

I think I asked this before once...but what T-shirts are you referring to?

Shari
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:05:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* 10/27/98 MEIN update:  missy and al

MEIN has updated their news page with 2 pictures of MLE and 
Vice President Al Gore from the HRC dinner gala.

go to http://fanasylum.com/melissa/main.html, click on "news",
and then scroll down a bit to view the thumbnail pictures.  to
see the enlarged version of the pictures, click on them and 
whammo!  you've now got big pictures of missy and al.  <g>

one small note of contention - if i recall from the Newsweek
interview MLE and JC did a couple of years ago, their anniversary
was 8/23/98, but the blurb on MEIN's site mentions their "eight
year relationship."  shouldn't it be closer to ten years by now?

*rhondda*

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:08:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* oops - small correction...re anniversary date

silly ol' me wrote:

> i recall from the Newsweek
> interview MLE and JC did a couple of years ago, their anniversary
> was 8/23/98

their anniversary is 8/23/88...d'oh.

*rhondda*

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:08:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* "The Real Ellen Story" at Seattle's Lesbian and Gay Film Festival

for those in the seattle area who may have missed its showing on
Bravo a few weeks ago, "The Real Ellen Story" will be playing 
at Seattle's Lesbian and Gay Film Festival on 11/01/98.  to find 
out more information about the films playing at the festival or 
how to buy tickets, go to the main page at 
http://www.drizzle.com/~filmfest/ and click on the appropriate 
link.

i've included the TRES excerpt from the film festival site.  a 
panel discussion will follow the showing of TRES. 

MLE does 2 short interviews in TRES.

*rhondda*


http://www.drizzle.com/~filmfest/films981101.htm

Sunday Nov. 1st, 6:45 pm
The Real Ellen Story
with special panel

While most of us will never forget the groundbreaking "Puppy 
Episode" when Ellen finally came out of the closet and the 
tremendous media frenzy surrounding the event, many of us still 
wonder, why did it take her so long to come out after the initial 
press leaks?  And why did the show go off the air with so little 
publicity?  This exciting and informative documentary answers 
these questions by tracing the struggle that led up to the coming 
out episode and by covering what happened when Ellen fought to 
include gay content on almost every show the following season. 
Tackling the charge that the show became "too gay," this video 
features exclusive interviews with Ellen DeGeneres, her partner 
Anne Heche, writers of the show, and ABC/Disney executives.  The 
Real Ellen Story takes us behind the scenes to discover how the 
publicity affected Ellen, and the many other people involved in 
producing the show. 

"The Real Ellen Story" Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato dirs., 1998 
USA 56 mins. video Panel

Join us afterwards for a panel discussion that focuses on media 
representations of lesbians and gays, as well as a consideration 
of what has happened in television since Ellen came out.  Our panel 
features filmmakers Randy Barbato and Fenton Bailey, and Sandy 
Cioffi, the local producer of Crocodile Tears and writer/director 
of several short videos and films.  University of Washington 
professor Kate Cummings, who teaches classes in gay and lesbian 
studies, media studies, and contemporary U.S. political culture, 
will moderate the panel. 

Reception at ARO.space to follow. 

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:19:00 -0800
From: msinghaus@msmisp.com (Melissa Singhaus)
Subject: *etheridge* Wondering if anybody knows what is up with the list shirts?

It has been awhile and I was wondering what was up with them. Missy
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:11:16 PST
From: "James Mapp" <jmapp@hotmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* Gay-Bashing Incident (NMEC)

Here's a tricky question that I'm looking for some feedback on.  In our 
city, a man was recently arrested for disorderly conduct (aka 
"disturbing the peace") involving verbal harassment of his two 
neighbors, whom he believes to be homosexual.  There was no physical 
violence, fortunately, just a drunken redneck spewing vile, hate-filled 
words and profanity towards the couple.  Fortunately, other neighbors 
were also around and were apalled enough to make statements for the 
police.  

   The problem is this: the couple, who may be homosexual but who don't 
want that to be common knowledge, would rather not have a trial and the 
intrusion into their personal lives that would entail.  The prosecutor, 
keenly aware of the Matthew Shephard murder, wants to make sure the 
charge is not treated lightly, and that the redneck is punished.  

   So what should the couple do? If they are homosexual, and don't want 
to be outed in this public manner, should they allow their harasser to 
get off with a light sentence?  

   And what should the prosecutor do?  If the couple prefers to not 
testify, should he override their wishes for the greater common good of 
striking a blow against hatred and ignorance?  (In this state, the 
prosecution can proceed even without the consent of the victim).  

  Since the folks on this list seem to be a thoughtful and intelligent 
lot, I thought you might have some worthwhile thoughts on the issue.  I 
look forward to hearing from you.

"Nil Illegitimi Carborundum"

James 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 01:00:58 -0500
From: Michelle Trumps <matrumps@dhc.net>
Subject: *etheridge* re:  Ignorance crimes

Lynn responded to my earlier post in a rather poignant way...Thanks Lynn 
for the reminder of a common denominator in our society the depths of 
which have sunken far too deep 

(and I WISH! there was SOME depth out there....anywhere) 

and I paraphrase her b'c I have a heavy hand on the delete button...

She wonders, with a LOL, if we call crimes of hate, cromes of ignorance, 
would people understand???

and I join you Lynn, responding by ROFL & crying at the same time....

Peaceful Blessings,
Michelle
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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #177
Date: October 30, 1998 3:00 AM

etheridge-digest       Friday, October 30 1998       Volume 02 : Number 177

  Re: *etheridge* Gay-Bashing Incident (NMEC)             [MELOVER31@aol.com]
  *etheridge* Re:  Wondering if anybody knows (snip)...  ["Jenniffer Smith" ]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:23:03 EST
From: MELOVER31@aol.com
Subject: Re: *etheridge* Gay-Bashing Incident (NMEC)

I think that this incident should be treated as all other crimes - harassment
can not go unpunished - and if the couple does not want their personal lives
out in public -then they can always testify under a false identity - or even
by deposition.  

If we want the Hate Crimes to end - and have the criminals prosecuted - then
we hav to take a stand for our rights.  If we don't - then we will always have
to live in fear.

There are ways around testifying in courts - I think we have taken these
crimes long enough and we should start standing up to the ones who are
ignorant!!!!

That's my story.  Just my opinion though.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:46:32 -0500
From: "Jenniffer Smith" <jsmith3@gw.bsu.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* Re:  Wondering if anybody knows (snip)...

>>> Melissa Singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com> 10/29 12:19 AM >>> asked about =
list shirts:

>It has been awhile and I was wondering what was up with them.

There was an update posted to the entire list day before yesterday.

jen

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #178
Date: October 31, 1998 3:01 AM

etheridge-digest      Saturday, October 31 1998      Volume 02 : Number 178

  *etheridge* GLOradio Webcast                                [K2293@aol.com]
  *etheridge* MLE in rotation on new LA station and desperate plea for costume help  [edgy@linkline.com (Allison]
  *etheridge* TRES for sale; desperate plea for costume help  [Rhondda Ashby]
  *etheridge* (NMEC) Halloween 'Treats'?  ["Jenniffer Smith" <jsmith3@gw.bsu]
  *etheridge* SMEC--Melissa in a Dutch radio playlist  ["P.Teunissen" <patme]

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:11:23 EST
From: K2293@aol.com
Subject: *etheridge* GLOradio Webcast

Forwarded Message: 
Subj:	 News Release: Election Night Webcast
Date:	98-10-29 21:27:46 EST
From:	john@gaybc.com (John McMullen)
Reply-to:	john@gaybc.com
To:	staff@gaybc.com

[Please distribute widely to friends and acquaintances on the Internet]

NEWS RELEASE

GAYBC Radio Network
a division of GLOradio Corporation

Contact:  John McMullen, President
          (415) 431-6990   E-Mail: john@gaybc.com

LIVE ELECTION NIGHT WEBCAST FOCUSES ON GAY & LESBIAN CANDIDATES, ISSUES

  October 29, 1998, San Francisco, CA--GAYBC Radio Network
(http://www.gaybc.com), the online broadcasting service operated by
GLOradio Corporation, announced today that it will broadcast The 98 Gay
Vote, a special five-hour live webcast on Election Day, Tuesday,
November 3, 1998. The Internet broadcast will begin at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9
p.m. Eastern, and will be accessible from several locations online in
addition to GAYBC.com.

  The 98 Gay Vote will be anchored by John McMullen and Jessica Stevens,
who host the weekly Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender (LGBT) talkshow,
Hangin'OUT. A team of reporters, politicians and community leaders will
join McMullen and Stevens as they present the most in-depth election
returns for candidates and issues affecting LGBT people throughout the
nation.

  "We will have reporters throughout the country checking in with us on
a regular basis as election returns are made available," says McMullen.
"From the constitutional amendment battles in Hawaii and Alaska, to the
races for U.S. Congress by three open lesbians, our team will offer
coverage like the community has never experienced before."

  Correspondents will include former NBC journalist Kate O'Neill, who
will be covering the Grethe Cammermeyer campaign against Jack Metcalf in
Washington state's 2nd Congressional District. Nationally syndicated
news writer Rex Wockner will report from San Diego on Christine Kehoe's
run for U.S. Congress. Online activist John Aravosis will be following
races from the District of Columbia north to New York. Miami-based
reporter Tim Curran will be following returns in the Southeast and
Vanice Cockerham will be on location at the Protect Our Constitution
headquarters in Honolulu, Hawaii. Brian Bond of the Gay & Lesbian
Victory Fund, GAYBC social and political commentator Marilyn Pittman,
community activist and writer Michelangelo Signorile and representatives
of national organizations like the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against
Defamation, the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force and the Human Rights
Campaign will be among the others joining Stevens and McMullen on
Tuesday night.

  Sites participating in the webcast of The 98 Gay Vote on GAYBC
include: Gay.com (www.gay.com), OnQ (AOL Keyword: OnQ), Mediapolis'
GayVote98 (www.gayvote98.com), Human Rights Campaign (www.hrc.org), and
Wired Strategies (www.wiredstrategies.com). In order to hear the
Webcast, listeners must first have the RealPlayer software which can be
downloaded free at the RealNetworks Web site (www.real.com). After
downloading and installing the RealPlayer software on a computer with a
minimum of a 28.8kbps connection to the Internet, sound card and
speakers, the programming is available by clicking on the appropriate
link on the GAYBC Web site or from the site of any of the participating
affiliates.

  Charlie Dyer, GAYBC's program director, says that selected highlights
including interviews with candidates and people involved with selected
issues of importance to the community, will be archived following the
live webcast for listening on-demand. "We will offer many of the
interviews from Tuesday night's broadcast in an on-demand format
beginning Wednesday, November 4," he said. Dyer also noted that
listeners will be able to participate in the program through e-mail and
by telephone, sharing their thoughts and perspectives on the election
races and results as they are being reported.

- -30-


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:03:39 -0800
From: edgy@linkline.com (Allison Fraiberg)
Subject: *etheridge* MLE in rotation on new LA station and desperate plea for costume help

Greetings! I'm crawling out from under the pile of work for my first post
in months with a bit of good news. The new 103.1 in LA (a resurrection of
the beloved KSCA with the even more beloved Nicole Sandler as program
director) is playing Melissa fairly often (and not just CTMW or ITOO over
and over). Since the demise of KSCA it's been hard to hear anything other
than the occasional rendition of the above here in El Lay.

But now the really important issue: I'm going to a Halloween party and have
been instructed, in no uncertain terms, to "find a costume" today. Help?
Any suggestions?

Hey, maybe Melissa will do some "sneaky unannounced" shows here in LA
before the next tour starts...Maybe at some children's bookstores? Or
daycare centers? Or kindergartens?

Cheers all,
Allison
edgy@linkline.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:05:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com>
Subject: *etheridge* TRES for sale; desperate plea for costume help

i snagged the following information from the Ellen list.  it is now 
possible to purchase "The Real Ellen Story" ($29.95 + shipping/
handling) at the following site:
http://www.picturethisent.com/homevid/el_folder/order_ellen.html.
i believe it might only be available in NTSC format, though.  

Allison Fraiberg <edgy@linkline.com> pleaded:

> But now the really important issue: I'm going to a Halloween party 
> and have been instructed, in no uncertain terms, to "find a 
> costume" today. Help?  Any suggestions?

well, my dear, i'm not sure how helpful this will be, but i'm truly
scary today...woooooooooooooo!  <cue scary music>

yes, a Red M&M costume is sure to strike fear into children and 
co-workers alike.  <g>  especially when i went in search of snack
size packets of M&Ms to munch on so that i could cannabalize 
myself. 

:-)
 
*rhondda*
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:38:41 -0500
From: "Jenniffer Smith" <jsmith3@gw.bsu.edu>
Subject: *etheridge* (NMEC) Halloween 'Treats'?

>>> Rhondda Ashby <rhondda@rocketmail.com> 10/30 2:05 PM >>> bragged:

>yes, a Red M&M costume is sure to strike fear into children and=20
>co-workers alike.  <g>  especially when i went in search of=20
>snack size packets of M&Ms to munch on so that i could
>cannabalize myself.=20

Which is a nice, subtle, round-a-bout way of saying that she's
going to eat herse- ..... <sound of a hand being slapped over jen's
poor, innocent, naive mouth>

As for boo-day costumes, I'm going as Monica Lewinsky...dressed
as the MLE list moderatrix.  :)

jen--who, for some reason, received a catalog for gay male porn
in the male the other day...lets just say that a couple of them were
"consuming M&Ms"... <shudder>

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:02:31 +-100
From: "P.Teunissen" <patmefan@worldonline.nl>
Subject: *etheridge* SMEC--Melissa in a Dutch radio playlist

Hello fellow Melisters!

I know it's been a while since I wrote to you guys. I don't know if you
all are interested in some Dutch Melissa "stuff".
In Holland on our Dutch radio there is a programm that is very popular
by the listeners. It's called "Arbeidsvitaminen" rough translation for it
is"Labor/Working vitamines". Companies can give them their list of 
favorite songs of all time and they will be on the air for 3 hours.
This week they had the top 100 of the 100 most requested songs of
all the past years. The people who listen and send in are, I think,
between 25 and 50 years old. The average isn't a (huge) Melissa fan
or whatever, but they LOVE  to hear Like The Way I Do for some reason.
Melissa is placed on number 4!! (Higher than the Eagles Hotel California,
Queens Bohemian Rhapsody..... ;-).Number one was Meat Loaf  with
"Paradise by the dashboard light".
I wrote this to you, so you can find out, Melissa is still popular overhere.
Not even by the average FAN, but too a lot of people who love LTWID.
That's all I want to let you know. Some positive news, to bring to you all.
(I hope ;-))
Have a good weekend and to the Americans overthere, have a GREAT Halloween!!

All the best,

Pat the Dutch.

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Subject: etheridge-digest V2 #179
Date: November 1, 1998 2:58 AM

etheridge-digest       Sunday, November 1 1998       Volume 02 : Number 179

  *etheridge* NMEC:ellen amusement           [Marcy <betasurely@lesbois.com>]
  *etheridge* NMEC:  BBHC -- new album, new lead singer  [Patti Fink <pattif]

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:50:08 -0700
From: Marcy <betasurely@lesbois.com>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:ellen amusement

Friend of mine saw the tv movie last Sunday "Thirst." She said the main
character's wife was played by Joely Fisher, aka Paige from Ellen.
Apparently a fairly serious movie. Paige/Joely is dying of thirst, can
barely talk, and a helper asks her what her name is and she says,
"Ellen...Ellen Morgan."   LOL!!!
- -marcy

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:32:30
From: Patti Fink <pattif@iadfw.net>
Subject: *etheridge* NMEC:  BBHC -- new album, new lead singer

A look at what Big Brother and the Holding Company is up to these
days....from the Bergen (NJ) Record...

Happy Halloween!  <boo>  ;)

Patti

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http://www.bergen.com:80/previews/clubs30199810301.htm


Keeping a watchful eye on Big Brother

Friday, October 30, 1998

By RYAN JONES
Staff Writer

At first thought, it's a little like the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi
Hendrix, the Miracles sans Smokey Robinson, or the Pips minus Gladys
Knight. If you're Big Brother and the Holding Company, what's the use in
going on without Janis Joplin?

Janis has been gone for 28 years now, and most folks probably thought the
band that made its name as her backing group has been similarly inactive ever
since. Not at all. Though they've existed under the mainstream radar for most
of their careers, the surviving members of Big Brother haven't stopped making
music. Now, they're back with their first album of original music in over 25
years, and they've even found another young female vocalist to make their
sound work.

Fronted by California-bred singer Lisa Battle, the revamped BBHC plays
Mexicali Blues Cafe, 655 Cedar Lane, Teaneck, tonight. The band's new
record, "Do What You Love," is available at the show and should be hitting
stores soon.

The little-known truth behind the BBHC is that they were a band long before
Joplin found them. Together they enjoyed their greatest success in 1968,
roaring out of the psychedelic San Francisco scene with the classic "Piece of
My Heart." Joplin left the band at the end of the year, effectively ending
BBHC's 15 minutes of fame.

In the time since, the band has survived breakups, shifting lineups, and
minimal
commercial notice. The current BBHC roster features founding members Sam
Andrew on guitar, Dave Getz on drums, and Peter Albin on bass, with Battle
and guitarist Tom Finch the most recent additions. In Battle, the band has a
powerful vocalist with a distinctive style that, refreshingly, sounds
nothing like
Joplin.

For info, call Mexicali Blues at (201) 836-7161.

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